Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-28 Thread Jon Hall
I did a quick lookup, apparently Quay Computers is in New Zealand. $1US = $2.41NZ 47 x 2.41 = 113.27 Given the greater competition here in the US and greater shipping charges getting memory to NZ, that sounds about right. I just bought 1Gz Athlon,GeForce 2 GTS,256 RAM, and a 20GB HD for my

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-28 Thread RV
Mama Cass Elliot wrote: Now that's interesting - 'coz only in the last few days has the best computer shop here (Quay Computers) reduced the price of 256mb RAM to $150 down from $300! Thus, I doubt your $47 - especially as 512megs is approx $500 - as currently listed on their website! And

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-28 Thread Mike Koenecke
I know this is off-topic, but I just checked Tiger Direct. They have an Athlon 1.2 gig. processor for $170. I just bought one from Thompson's Computer Warehouse (http://www.tcwo.com) for $111. Memory prices are comparable: 256 MB of PC133 is $48. TCWO ships UPS ground for a flat fee of $6.95, and

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-25 Thread Asa Dotzler
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: snip The My side bar is in the third pane (at least it is the way its setup in the Mac version). The My Sidebar resides below the folders. I prefer using two pane mode because of the small monitor I have to use. You said: ahh! but remember if you turn off

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-25 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
Asa Dotzler wrote: Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: snip The My side bar is in the third pane (at least it is the way its setup in the Mac version). The My Sidebar resides below the folders. I prefer using two pane mode because of the small monitor I have to use. You said:

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-25 Thread Blake Ross
JTK wrote: jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-25 Thread Carlfish
On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:45:32 -0700, Blake Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: We have history, and also 500 other sidebar tabs that IE doesn't offer. Get your facts straight before you flame, at the very least. He doesn't need to. When proven wrong, he stops responding, and

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-25 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Carlfish wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:45:32 -0700, Blake Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: We have history, and also 500 other sidebar tabs that IE doesn't offer. Get your facts straight before you flame, at the very least. He doesn't need to. When proven wrong, he

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: I don't want to put anything in it. Well, History, but I'm sure that's RSN, right? No, it's Been There, Done That, Got the T-Shirt. There's already a history sidebar now. Yay. Tell me Savior, how much XUL or Javascript or whatever do I have to write to put something in there?

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: Speed, memory efficiency, and market share seem to be missing with Maozilla. Who needs to catch up to whom here? IE is going to need to catch up. Mozilla's speed is improving every day. Mozilla's memory use is already at or below that of IE if you count everything IE uses.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Greg Miller
JTK wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Miller says... JTK wrote: It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. With another hundred or so of these, maybe they'll catch

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Bill Lee
Carlfish wrote: On 23 Jun 2001 03:11:55 GMT, Carlfish [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:23:08 -0400, DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: You must not use Mozilla. It visibly renders the same speed as IE on my system. Faster on

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Carlfish
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 07:02:11 -0400, Bill Lee [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: URL please? Disclaimer: The markup does suck from a semantic point of view - the page was halfway through the transition between machine-generated markup and human-generated when it became clear the

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Mama Cass Elliot wrote: In netscape.public.mozilla.general the people heard Greg Miller say these wise words: Memory efficiency is likewise good enough that it doesn't affect me. I don't care whether I have 20MB of wasted RAM or 50MB wasted. Somehow, I doubt if a person with the

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Justin H.
Mama Cass Elliot wrote: In netscape.public.mozilla.general the people heard jesus X say these wise words: And the rendering engine is getting very long in the tooth. NS kept beating on the dead horse that was their old rendering engine for years too long, and IE is following suit. Not

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread jesus X
Mama Cass Elliot wrote: Mind due, if it aint broke, don't fix it! is a pretty good maxim. After all, why re-invent the wheel every year or so? I'm not talking about reinventing the wheel, but to extend your metaphor, ever see a train with wooden wheels? -- jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Albert
Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: I don't want to put anything in [the sidebar]. Well, History, but I'm sure that's RSN, right? As was mentioned multiple times by multiple people when you LAST brought this up,

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Albert
Mama Cass Elliot wrote: In netscape.public.mozilla.general the people heard Greg Miller say these wise words: Memory efficiency is likewise good enough that it doesn't affect me. I don't care whether I have 20MB of wasted RAM or 50MB wasted. Somehow, I doubt if a person with the

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.
Albert wrote: Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: I don't want to put anything in [the sidebar]. Well, History, but I'm sure that's RSN, right? As was mentioned multiple times by multiple people when you

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-24 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Greg Miller wrote: JTK wrote: It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. With another hundred or so of these, maybe they'll catch up to Mozilla? Forward progress seems

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread JTK
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], jesus X says... JTK wrote: No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones disappear completely when they're disabled). No, it's much more. the sidebar can contain almost anything you want to put in it. I don't want to put anything in it. Well,

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread RV
N6.1PR1 score 149 IE6beta score 36 :)

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread Carlfish
On 23 Jun 2001 03:11:55 GMT, Carlfish [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:23:08 -0400, DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: You must not use Mozilla. It visibly renders the same speed as IE on my system. Faster on some pages, actually.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread Matthew Thomas
Ian Hickson wrote: ... No, I mean the user-customisable sidebar to which you can add custom content. However, Blake tells me that IE have retracted this feature in the most recent builds, so forget I mentioned it. ... Yeah. http://wininformant.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=20648 Internet

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread Greg Miller
JTK wrote: It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. With another hundred or so of these, maybe they'll catch up to Mozilla? Forward progress seems to be lacking with IE.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread Ian Hickson
On Sat, 23 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: I don't want to put anything in [the sidebar]. Well, History, but I'm sure that's RSN, right? As was mentioned multiple times by multiple people when you LAST brought this up, Mozilla already has a history sidebar. It can display RDFs from your favorite

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-23 Thread Carlfish
On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 06:11:12 GMT, JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Greg Miller says... With another hundred or so of these, maybe they'll catch up to Mozilla? Forward progress seems to be lacking with IE. Speed, memory efficiency, and market

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Valeri Todorov wrote: Hello, Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set of content YOU define with ease.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread RV
JTK wrote: It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. Polished? Of course it is. IE 6 should have been called 5.6. Wasn't 6.0 supposed to be a significant rewrite of the html

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Sol Hell
Depends on your operating system. Usually win98 version is released first. DeMoN_LaG wrote: JTK wrote: Marc Leger wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
Sol Hell wrote: Depends on your operating system. Usually win98 version is released first. I'm looking at the Windows Update site and at the IE6 preview site, neither seem to have anything newer. I do, however, notice that IE6's minimum install size on Win NT/2k is 75Megs, on 98/SE it's

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones disappear completely when

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Stuart Ballard
JTK wrote: jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
DeMoN_LaG wrote: Valeri Todorov wrote: Hello, Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set of

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering. Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating. I refer people who want to know the accurate numbers to the n.p.mozilla.performance newsgroup. -- Ian Hickson )\

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering. Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating. Touche, mon ami. The difference between IE's memory usage and Mathuzilla's is in fact not ~20MB (that's Maozilla's total

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: As for the 4 times, it was stated by somebody in .performance only a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE]. Yes. Things are moving fast. I have no way to directly compare myself, so I can only repeat what I've heard from others. On local network

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: As for the 4 times, it was stated by somebody in .performance only a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE]. Yes. Things are moving fast. At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. I have no

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: DeMoN_LaG wrote: Valeri Todorov wrote: Hello, Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Except 20MB and 8 times slower rendering. Well, 10MB and 4 times, but who can blame you for exaggerating. Touche, mon ami. The difference between IE's memory usage and Mathuzilla's is in fact not ~20MB (that's Maozilla's

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: As for the 4 times, it was stated by somebody in .performance only a week or so ago to be ~8 times slower [than IE]. Yes. Things are moving fast. At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. Do

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Carlfish
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001 22:23:08 -0400, DeMoN_LaG [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: You must not use Mozilla. It visibly renders the same speed as IE on my system. Faster on some pages, actually. Usually ones with complex tables throughout them, and the browser is much more

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread RV
JTK wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]">jesus X wrote: JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your "Favorites" are on the left side of thescreen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. No, it's little more, and not

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Ian Hickson
On Fri, 22 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Yes. Things are moving fast. At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. Never mind the dimensional flaw in that statement. I have no way to directly compare myself, so I can only repeat what I've heard from others. On local

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
Valeri Todorov wrote: Well, it is same in IE, and I think from IE4 - you may add toolbard and pannels, which could be anything you want, including another instance of the browser itself. I think by the time IE4 was out, no one knew what mozilla is By the time IE4 was out MOZILLA DIDN'T EXIST

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. A light year is not a measurement of time, it is a measurement of distance. Daily numbers? Sorry Mr. Hickson, .performance often goes *days* without ANY posts whatsoever! You must be reading off Netscape's

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: No, it's little more, and not executed as well (eg, the IE ones disappear completely when they're disabled). No, it's much more. the sidebar can contain almost anything you want to put in it. It can display RDFs from your favorite sites (sometimes called tickers), bookmarks, java

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread Carlfish
On 23 Jun 2001 03:37:05 GMT, Ian Hickson [EMAIL PROTECTED] somehow managed to type: As has been mentioned by others in this thread, this statement would seem to indicate you have misconfigured your browser. benefit-of-the-doubt Netnews propagation is inherently unreliable, and JTK doesn't

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-22 Thread JTK
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], jesus X says... JTK wrote: At the speed of light, I'd say! As in three light-YEARS and counting. A light year is not a measurement of time, it is a measurement of distance. Thank you, Lord, Mr. Lag, Mr. Hixie, et al, for informing me of a fact which my six

New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread JTK
It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread Marc Leger
JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. Get it where?

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread JTK
Marc Leger wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. Get it where? I got

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread Ryan Cassin
JTK wrote: Marc Leger wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. Get it where?

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread Blake Ross
Er, IE6 is just like 5 with some tweaks. Looks like they're standing still to me ;-) --Blake JTK wrote: It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines.

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread JTK
Ryan Cassin wrote: [snip] I couldn't find a single difference between OE5 and OE6 when I last used OE6. I'm guessing just under the hood work has gone into OE6. That's depressing. As far as I can tell, it doesn't need any under-the-hood work, but could use a little body work. --

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Blake Ross wrote: Er, IE6 is just like 5 with some tweaks. Looks like they're standing still to me ;-) Well, they did add various features that Mozilla had first, like, say, the sidebar. And some more CSS1 support. -- Ian Hickson )\

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread DeMoN_LaG
JTK wrote: Marc Leger wrote: JTK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... It's looking pretty polished folks, I suggest you take a look. The world ain't standing still while Maozilla figues out how to draw controls inside the lines. Get it where?

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread jesus X
JTK wrote: Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set of content YOU define with ease. -- jesus X [

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread Ian Hickson
On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, JTK wrote: Ian Hickson wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Blake Ross wrote: Er, IE6 is just like 5 with some tweaks. Looks like they're standing still to me ;-) Well, they did add various features that Mozilla had first, like, say, the sidebar. Huh? You mean

Re: New IE6.0 Build out

2001-06-21 Thread Valeri Todorov
Huh? You mean where your Favorites are on the left side of the screen? That's been in IE forever. Yeah, but the Mozilla Sidebar is MUCH more than just a bookmarks pane. It is like a secondary mini-browser, displaying a set of content YOU define with ease. Well, it is same in IE, and I