Re: [MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-05 Thread David Balazic
Frank Klemm wrote: :: This is a little bit problematic, because the number of distorted :: bands does not tell you the weight of distortions you will get. :: What do you think sounds uglier: ::20 distorted bands, each 0.1 dB :: or :: 1 distorted band by 2 dB :: ??? ::

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-05 Thread Frank Klemm
:: :: This is a little bit problematic, because the number of distorted :: :: bands does not tell you the weight of distortions you will get. :: :: What do you think sounds uglier: :: ::20 distorted bands, each 0.1 dB :: :: or :: :: 1 distorted band by 2 dB :: ::

[MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-04 Thread Pierre Hugonnet
Hello, If I've well undertood what the VBR quality setting means (-V x), it is the allowed number of bands where distortion (in the psycho-model sense) occurs . I'd like now to take the problem from the other side: in CBR, is there a way to have statistics about the number of distorded bands

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-04 Thread Robert Hegemann
Pierre Hugonnet schrieb am Mon, 04 Sep 2000: Hello, If I've well undertood what the VBR quality setting means (-V x), it is the allowed number of bands where distortion (in the psycho-model sense) occurs . hmm, this was the meaning of -V in the very first beginning of LAME's VBR code.

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-04 Thread Pierre Hugonnet
Robert Hegemann wrote: hmm, this was the meaning of -V in the very first beginning of LAME's VBR code. Actually you influence the absolute threshold of hearing aka ATH and the masking thresholds computed by GPSYCHO. VBR tries to avoid distorted bands, but sometimes, when there are not

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-04 Thread Segher Boessenkool
What do you think sounds uglier: 20 distorted bands, each 0.1 dB or 1 distorted band by 2 dB ??? I would say that 20 distorted bands at 0.1dB is preferable, and assume that this is the choice of lame's algorithms. Is this assumption wrong ? Depends. If it is maximum

Re: [MP3 ENCODER] VBR, distortion, and CBR

2000-09-04 Thread Robert Hegemann
Pierre Hugonnet schrieb am Mon, 04 Sep 2000: Robert Hegemann wrote: hmm, this was the meaning of -V in the very first beginning of LAME's VBR code. Actually you influence the absolute threshold of hearing aka ATH and the masking thresholds computed by GPSYCHO. VBR tries to avoid