Re: [Mpls] Park Board Annual Meeting, You're not invited
I think Annie has a good point. If the meeting notices are run by the government, the forces that want to sneak stuff thru will subvert it. I understand the Legislature has a good data base, that could be easily accessible to the public, allowing us to see at a glance how our legislators vote. I also understand that it is not public, and may never be so - not if the legislators have their way. The less we know, the better they like it. All we need to know is, where to vote, and where to mark the ballot - after that, we're expendable. Of course there are honorable exceptions - but not enough to change the Keep 'em ignorant policy. My Progressive Calendar is based on the premise that neither government nor major media will publish many of the contents. They don't. Not when it's special interests vs the public. So both pretty much have to be done privately. The city meeting notice probably by one or two people, for free. People who are insulated from being fired for political activity. So, is there anyone who wants to take on the job? (I have enuf to do). --David Shove Roseville On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Eva Young wrote: So, who would like to help me draft up a bill that amends Minnesota public meeting laws to require that all public meetings must also be posted online (in addition to a bulletin board in the government office or newspaper (sometimes))? Minneapolis could take the lead now by creating a uniform website with personalized meeting tracking and document access for all public meetings organized by all public entities in the city. Steven Clift Carag Resident I think what might be useful is a City Events Calendar - that would include meetings similar to what is offered at the University of Minnesota. http://events.tc.umn.edu As far as a state law like this - without additional funding (and higher taxes), this will become another unfunded mandate for local governments. Will a law like this fix the problem Scott Vreeland is discussing? Not if meetings can be arbitrarily changed - in the way he is alleging the Park Board Meeting is. Scott Vreeland: I have heard rumblings about Bob Fine trying to move the meeting to an earlier time so that fewer people who work during the day could attend. I hope this is not true. Eva Young Near North Minneapolis, MN eva at usucceed.com http://lloydletta.blogspot.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Park Board Annual Meeting, You're not invited
So, who would like to help me draft up a bill that amends Minnesota public meeting laws to require that all public meetings must also be posted online (in addition to a bulletin board in the government office or newspaper (sometimes))? Minneapolis could take the lead now by creating a uniform website with personalized meeting tracking and document access for all public meetings organized by all public entities in the city. Steven Clift Carag Resident I think what might be useful is a City Events Calendar - that would include meetings similar to what is offered at the University of Minnesota. http://events.tc.umn.edu As far as a state law like this - without additional funding (and higher taxes), this will become another unfunded mandate for local governments. Will a law like this fix the problem Scott Vreeland is discussing? Not if meetings can be arbitrarily changed - in the way he is alleging the Park Board Meeting is. Scott Vreeland: I have heard rumblings about Bob Fine trying to move the meeting to an earlier time so that fewer people who work during the day could attend. I hope this is not true. Eva Young Near North Minneapolis, MN eva at usucceed.com http://lloydletta.blogspot.com REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Park Board Annual Meeting, You're not invited
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have heard rumblings about Bob Fine trying to move the meeting to an earlier time so that fewer people who work during the day could attend. I hope this is not true. I suggest a public Renaming Ceremony, to BOB NOTFINE He's notfine with me, and I hope he's notfine with you. Closing down meetings is proof of bad intent. Let's see what happens. --David Shove Roseville On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Park Board annual meeting occurs on the first business day in Jan. which would be Friday Jan.2 and I think it is traditionally held at 5pm. I am concerned because there is no official information available about when the meeting is actually being held. There is nothing on the Park Board website. Upcoming meetings and agendas are normally listed. I am also on the Agenda mailing list (Snail Mail) and I have received notice of every board meeting in the past two years except for this one. They will pick a Board President and Vice President at this meeting. I have heard rumblings about Bob Fine trying to move the meeting to an earlier time so that fewer people who work during the day could attend. I hope this is not true. I will call the Board Secretary tomorrow ask about the schedule and to try to find out why it is so hard to find out about a public meeting. Thanks, Scott Vreeland Seward REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
Re: [Mpls] Park Board Annual Meeting, You're not invited
The issue of online meeting notices has come in the E-Democracy Legislative Study Group in past years. Lately in some of my speeches on e-democracy I've been talking about the rule of law and how what is desirable with the net and democracy/government may need to beocme the law. So, who would like to help me draft up a bill that amends Minnesota public meeting laws to require that all public meetings must also be posted online (in addition to a bulletin board in the government office or newspaper (sometimes))? Minneapolis could take the lead now by creating a uniform website with personalized meeting tracking and document access for all public meetings organized by all public entities in the city. Steven Clift Carag Resident P.s. The study group: http://www.e-democracy.org/study Preview of my soon to be released speech online: http://www.publicus.net/articles/democraticevolution.html On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Park Board annual meeting occurs on the first business day in Jan. which would be Friday Jan.2 and I think it is traditionally held at 5pm. I am concerned because there is no official information available about when the meeting is actually being held. There is nothing on the Park Board website. Upcoming meetings and agendas are normally listed. I am also on the Agenda mailing list (Snail Mail) and I have received notice of every board meeting in the past two years except for this one. They will pick a Board President and Vice President at this meeting. I have heard rumblings about Bob Fine trying to move the meeting to an earlier time so that fewer people who work during the day could attend. I hope this is not true. I will call the Board Secretary tomorrow ask about the schedule and to try to find out why it is so hard to find out about a public meeting. Thanks, Scott Vreeland Seward REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls - - - - - - - Steven Clift [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://publicus.net E-mailed from my wireless Sidekick REMINDERS: 1. Think a member has violated the rules? Email the list manager at [EMAIL PROTECTED] before continuing it on the list. 2. Don't feed the troll! Ignore obvious flame-bait. For state and national discussions see: http://e-democracy.org/discuss.html For external forums, see: http://e-democracy.org/mninteract Minneapolis Issues Forum - A City-focused Civic Discussion - Mn E-Democracy Post messages to: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe, Un-subscribe, etc. at: http://e-democracy.org/mpls
