Re: return reciepts

2010-07-08 Thread Brian Salter-Duke
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 03:00:32PM +0200, lee wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 09:51:03AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de [07-03-10 09:13]: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: Practice has shown that it is not best practice. Because

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread Simon Ruderich
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:12:49PM +0200, lee wrote: [snip] Let me add that you just got me to the idea that a simple yes/no for a combination of recipients won't suffice: It would have to be always/once/no/never, meaning that for the combination of recipients in question, the requesting of

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread Roger
On Sun, Jul 04, 2010 at 12:33:22PM +0200, Simon Ruderich wrote: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 03:12:49PM +0200, lee wrote: But if the recipient doesn't care about your mail, then how does adding a receipt request help? Practice has shown that it is not best practice. Because of poor support, maybe

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread lee
be to print the message on paper to deliver it in person and have them certify that they recieved it. I like return reciepts better for now. Practice has shown that it is not best practice. Because of poor support, maybe :) Or because it's a bad idea. It's still way better than the alternative

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-04 Thread lee
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 09:51:03AM -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de [07-03-10 09:13]: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: Practice has shown that it is not best practice. Because of poor support, maybe :) Or, more likely, requests for

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-03 Thread lee
On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: Your original request just sounds like reversing the default from mostly no r-r, with manual exceptions to mosty _DO_ r-r, with manual exceptions, it actually requires you still to make a manual choice... That is not at all what I

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-03 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de [07-03-10 09:13]: On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 12:12:38AM +0200, Rado S wrote: Practice has shown that it is not best practice. Because of poor support, maybe :) Or, more likely, requests for features that most do *not* want presented in a haughty manner which would

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: =- lee wrote on Thu 1.Jul'10 at 18:08:43 +0200 -= Noone using return reciepts? No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. That's awfully annoying and too easy to forget. It's a common feature in many MUAs, so mutt

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread rogerx
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:39:53PM +0200, lee wrote: On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: ... snip ... Besides, it's hard to believe that noone on this mailing list has use for return reciepts and/or that everyone handles them manually. Return receipts could likely be called

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Toby Cubitt
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:39:53PM +0200, lee wrote: On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 11:09:22PM +0200, Rado S wrote: =- lee wrote on Thu 1.Jul'10 at 18:08:43 +0200 -= Noone using return reciepts? No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. That's awfully annoying and too

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread David Champion
* On 28 Jun 2010, lee wrote: Hi, how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that reciepts are requested based on, for example, recipients? You could try Werner Koch's rfc2298 MDN patch, but afaik

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
see how to do it. I'd have to write a program in C for it and somehow make it work with mutt --- and preferably make it so that it can be used with other MUAs as well. I don't know of any MUA that deals with return reciepts in the way described in my OP. So, with a little effort, what you want can

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 12:11:27PM -0500, David Champion wrote: * On 28 Jun 2010, lee wrote: Hi, how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header You could try Werner Koch's rfc2298 MDN patch, but afaik it has not been updated in years and probably needs some love

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Patrick Shanahan
be used with other MUAs as well. I don't know of any MUA that deals with return reciepts in the way described in my OP. So, what you *really* want is for someone to code/script it for you. The offer of renumeration will more than likely provide you with candidates. -- Patrick Shanahan

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-07-02, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Having that said, it comes to mind that more users of mutt might make use of return reciepts if there was well designed support for them Doubit it. Well designed support for evil is still evil. 1/2 :) ... One way to address privacy concerns

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Toby Cubitt
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 07:13:02PM +0200, lee wrote: On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 05:15:36PM +0100, Toby Cubitt wrote: the Disposition-Notification-To: header. So to request receipts, it may be sufficient to add this header to your outgoing emails using mutt's my_hdr command. That puts the

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
for it and somehow make it work with mutt --- and preferably make it so that it can be used with other MUAs as well. I don't know of any MUA that deals with return reciepts in the way described in my OP. So, what you *really* want is for someone to code/script it for you. The offer

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 06:23:23PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-07-02, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Having that said, it comes to mind that more users of mutt might make use of return reciepts if there was well designed support for them Doubit it. Well designed support

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread lee
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 07:40:45PM +0100, Toby Cubitt wrote: in discoursing from the armchair without actually trying to implement it, there are very quite likely difficulties I'm missing here. See, it's not all that easy :) So before spending a lot of time to figure it out, I thought it a

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread rogerx
On Fri, Jul 02, 2010 at 04:36:18PM +, Grant Edwards wrote: On 2010-07-02, rog...@sdf.org rog...@sdf.org wrote: But to step aside from paranoia, it could be considered a politeness feature as it would tell a friend or significant other that you did receive their email. That's what the r

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread Rado S
Ok, some more bashing... ;) =- lee wrote on Fri 2.Jul'10 at 16:39:53 +0200 -= Noone using return reciepts? No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. That's awfully annoying and too easy to forget. No, automatic return-receipts are. If you don't have the discipline

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-02 Thread bill lam
Сбт, 03 Июл 2010, Rado S писал(а): Wasted effort compared to an editor macro to add some line like please acknowledge receipt and respond ASAP. If you just want to reverse the default, add such line to your $signature, and delete it when not desired. IMO the key to get response is politeness,

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread Rado S
=- lee wrote on Thu 1.Jul'10 at 18:08:43 +0200 -= Noone using return reciepts? No, because if you want that, just write it in your eMail. -- © Rado S. -- You must provide YOUR effort for your goal! EVERY effort counts: at least to show your attitude. You're responsible for ALL you do: you

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread Grant Edwards
On 2010-07-01, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that reciepts are requested based on, for example

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread bill lam
Чтв, 01 Июл 2010, lee писал(а): On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: Hi, how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that reciepts are requested based on, for example, recipients

Re: return reciepts

2010-07-01 Thread John J. Foster
On Thu, Jul 01, 2010 at 06:08:43PM +0200, lee wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:21:31PM +0200, lee wrote: Hi, how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that reciepts are requested based

return reciepts

2010-06-28 Thread lee
Hi, how do you handle return reciepts with mutt? I know I can add header lines to request a reciept (with my_hdr), but how do I make it so that reciepts are requested based on, for example, recipients? The idea is something like mutt asking me if I want to request a reciept when sending

Re: Return reciepts

1999-11-17 Thread Thomas Roessler
On 1999-11-17 19:59:24 +0100, Jan Houtsma wrote: Well in netscape you have the choice either a confirmation if the mail has been delivered (so thats the MTA) but the other is that the mail actually has been read. In winblows u always get a popup window in that case where u can say yes or no

Re: Return reciepts

1999-01-15 Thread Rejo Zenger
++ 17/11/99 18:56 +0100 - Thomas Roessler: However, you may just add a small autoresponse function to your ~/.procmailrc. Make sure you make this robust against mail loops! ...by adding a special field to the header by yourself and check for that field whenever the autoresponder is invoked. So,