Why doesn't IANA operate a whois server?
Why should they? What will it produce?
It will produce an authoritative source of information that automated
systems can query and where those systems can reliably parse the output.
In cases where a human needs to check unusual cases, there will be a
Why doesn't IANA and the RIRs collectively get off their butts and
actually make an authoritative IP address allocation
directory one of
their goals?
And why don't they do all this with some 21st century technology?
A new system based on IRIS protocol (XML based using BEEP as
On 16-apr-2007, at 12:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the 21st century, you look at what is available on the shelf and
widely in use on the net and adopt that. Most often this turns out
to be
a RESTful API that doesn't even need XML, although something like
XML-RPC
Come on, let's not get carried away.
The problem with the IANA file is that reserved is ambiguous and
there are other things in there that get in the way of easy parsing.
This is easy enough to fix. Geoff Huston wrote a draft
suggesting how
to do it.
Whois, LDAP and other stuff
But for those who NEED to parse it with automated
systems and who NEED to know when things have changed, an IANA whois
server is a better solution. Whois has things like Regdate, Updated, and
a Comment field which just don't fit in a simple text file.
Just to note, I believe that Leo Vegoda
On 16-apr-2007, at 14:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Whois, LDAP and other stuff like that only makes things worse
because this requires you to walk through the data rather than
have it
available in a nice, easy to handle text file.
Yes, let's not get carried away. The
On Apr 16, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Steve Wright wrote:
[...]
Just to note, I believe that Leo Vegoda touched on IANA developing
a whois service for IP Addressing at the last UKNOF meeting in
Manchester; however I may have been mistaken/ misunderstood.
Yes, we're working hard on making our
With whois, I'd need to do 256 lookups, and I'd probably have to
implement the whois protocol myself (ok, trivial, but still) because
I can't just use one of the 3 million HTTP utils/libraries.
Really?
Do you know for a fact that the IANA whois server will not support
lookups for 0.0.0.0
At 11:51 AM +0100 4/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the 21st century, you look at what is available on the shelf and
widely in use on the net and adopt that. Most often this turns out to be
a RESTful API that doesn't even need XML, although something like
XML-RPC still fits the bill. I still
Michael,
On Apr 15, 2007, at 2:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The world moved on around them but you
still see things like IANA's non-parseable text file
The text file is parseable -- we have empirical evidence. Every time
we change the format slightly, people yell at
David Conrad wrote:
[..]
Why doesn't IANA operate a whois server?
We do. The proper question to ask is why isn't our whois server
populated with address information instead of just domain name
information. I don't know the reason historically. However, today,
when the topic was recently
As I am Chair of the NRO Executive Council this year, I will speak on behalf of
the 5 RIRs regarding this matter.
The 5 RIRs and IANA have been engaged in discussions regarding the IPv4 file.
We are working together on this. In the process we have been doing a lot of
cross checking of the
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a result, most people consider William Leibzon and the Bogon project
to be, collectively, the authoritative source for information on whose
IP address that is. That's because William and the Bogon project, act
authoritative, and take some pains
Why don't they publish a more detailled explanation field
in each IANA
allocation record so that they can explain the precise
status of each
block?
IANA's role in this should be 'Ugh. Here Big Block. Go Talk to RIR.'
I was referring to the cases where they don't say that.
For
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 01:59:36PM +1200, Perry Lorier wrote:
When you can plug your computer in, and automatically (with no
clicking) get an IPv6 address,
Router Advertisements let you automatically configure as many IPv6
addresses as you feel like.
Remember that in XP, which Iljitsch
If you turn on IPv6 on an XP machine (or have it turned on for you
by a helpful application or MCP-enabled IT staff) be aware
that there can be unexpected consequences.
In my case it was discovering the nooks and crannies of Teredo,
Microsoft's IPv6 tunnelling protocol.
On 16-apr-2007, at 23:42, David W. Hankins wrote:
Router Advertisements let you automatically configure as many IPv6
addresses as you feel like.
Remember that in XP, which Iljitsch recently cited to support his
claim of years of operating system support, you must click IPv6
into your
[h how come I didn't parse any operational content in this post...]
Fred Heutte wrote:
[..]
I spent a couple hours in a hotel recently trying to untangle why
using the DSL system I could see the net but couldn't get to any
sites other than a few I tried at random like the BBC, Yahoo
and
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 12:38:42PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
Sure, but that's because with IPv4, there are only three flavors:
- manual configuration
- PPP
- DHCP
Although nobody uses them:
- BOOTP
- RARP
The distinction of DHCP, BOOTP, and RARP is important I think, and
it would
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 10:58:39PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We checked with IANA, ARIN, and the US DoD regarding 7.0.0.0/8. We
were told that this netblock should not see the light of day,
10/8 used to be a DoD address block, but it was also used exclusively in
their blacker
On Sun, Apr 15, 2007 at 11:25:58PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
...
And I know a company that has been using 1/8, 2/8, 3/8, 4/8, 5/8, 6/8,
7/8 and 8/8 for many years, also behind NAT or on non-Internet connected
networks. But that is not what I am talking about here.
...
And what happens
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 01:34:01AM +, Stephen Stuart wrote:
...
Or better yet, 11/8 (to make 10/7)?
...
To step on yet another already-allocated block of IP addresses? Let's
not try to hard to shoot ourselves in our collective feet.
--
Joe Yao
Analex Contractor
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fred Heutte wrote:
I spent a couple hours in a hotel recently trying to untangle why
using the DSL system I could see the net but couldn't get to any
sites other than a few I tried at random like the BBC, Yahoo
and Google.
That's because they are
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fred Heutte wrote:
I spent a couple hours in a hotel recently trying to untangle why
using the DSL system I could see the net but couldn't get to any
sites other than a few I tried at random like
Chris L. Morrow wrote:
[..]
the STSN devices? or 'ibahn' ? One thing to keep in mind is that the
DNS-LB used by Google/yahoo (in the examples above) seems to be returning
a CNAME for queries, then nothing for the follow-up resolution
request for a for the CNAME... So, ipv6 things may
They could always configure destination-based NAT and perhaps assist by
allocating 10/8 space for those networks if they so choose to reach them!
(smirk)
Scott
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Joseph S D Yao
Sent: Monday, April 16,
I may well not have fully figured out what was going on
in this particular situation. Mostly because I got tired of
trying to sort out the endless mysteries of IPv6 running
under XP Service Pack 2.
Teredo may or may not have been at issue. I saw some
analyses indicating this might have been
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But for the rest it all seems pretty fine to me...
or do you mean that those ibahn things see NOERROR and
then no answers, thus wrongly cache that as label has 0 answers
at all? or what I mention above with the redirect?
They do the same thing for
Stephen Sprunk wrote:
Thus spake Jeroen Massar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But for the rest it all seems pretty fine to me...
or do you mean that those ibahn things see NOERROR and
then no answers, thus wrongly cache that as label has 0 answers
at all? or what I mention above with the redirect?
since somebody made the mistake of cc'ing me, i actually saw this message even
though i long ago killed-by-thread the offtopic noise it's part of. hereis:
What's weird is that they don't just return a 0-record NOERROR when you
do the follow-up A query, which would be the most logical
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