My Mom kicks all you's buttocks. Got a Radio Shack franchise in
1983, we kids got in on the ground floor of personal computing
(on Color Computers and TRS-80's).
She does tech support for others her age. Or did, in Colorado in
a community for older folks, and is now in Costa Rica figuring
out
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:12:05AM +,
Paul Vixie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 17 lines which said:
so if the last remaining superpower were to bomb a country in the
middle east in preparation for invasion, regime change, etc., that
superpower would be well advised to avoid
At 5:12 + 2/13/07, Paul Vixie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Shein) writes:
... If your goal is invasion then value preservation is important
(factories, bridges, civilian infrastructure, etc.) ...
so if the last remaining superpower were to bomb a country in the middle
east in
On Tue, Feb 13, 2007 at 05:12:05AM +, Paul Vixie wrote:
warning-- this thread is so far off topic, i can't even REMEMBER a topic
that it might once have had. hit D now.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Shein) writes:
... If your goal is invasion then value preservation is important
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Gadi Evron wrote:
Colin Powell mentioned at RSA in his extremely good, entertaining and
pointless talk something of relevance. During the cold war American kids
were trained to hide beneath their desktops in caseof a nuclear
During the cold war American kids
were trained to hide beneath their desktops in caseof a nuclear
attack. Much good that would have done.
It could have kept them from running around the streets screaming we're
all going to die.
It may well save people if they are on the edge of the
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 01:45:41AM -0500,
Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 16 lines which said:
The important lesson is you can educate people. The content may have
been bogus,
Right on spot: it is easy to educate people with simple and
meaningless advices such as Install
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 01:45:41AM -0500,
Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 16 lines which said:
The important lesson is you can educate people. The content may have
been bogus,
snip
If you can come up with a few
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 03:23:26AM -0600,
Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 25 lines which said:
As a very smart person said a couple of weeks ago when this same
argument was made: are you willing to do tech-support for my mother
is she uses linux?
I already do it. With my
On 2/12/07, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a very smart person said a couple of weeks ago when this same argument
was made: are you willing to do tech-support for my mother is she uses
linux?
Gadi.
Name anyone techie who doesn't have to do tech support for their mother on
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 09:31:21AM +,
Alexander Harrowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
a message of 28 lines which said:
Name anyone techie who doesn't have to do tech support for their
mother on MS Windows..
Political fix: and their father, too :-)
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
On 2/12/07, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a very smart person said a couple of weeks ago when this same argument
was made: are you willing to do tech-support for my mother is she uses
linux?
Gadi.
Name anyone
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 08:05:08 GMT
From: Brandon Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Every incident is an opportunity
During the cold war American kids
were trained to hide beneath their desktops in caseof a nuclear
attack. Much good that would have
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 10:13 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
Sure, just find these few simple things that will actually improve
security. (My personal one would be Erase MS-Windows and install
Ubuntu. If we are ready to inconvenience ordinary workers with
computer security, this one would be
On Feb 12, 2007, at 4:31 AM, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
On 2/12/07, Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a very smart person said a couple of weeks ago when this same
argument
was made: are you willing to do tech-support for my mother is she uses
linux?
Gadi.
Name anyone
My two (and a half) cents.
1. Systems that need a firewall, antivirus and antispyware software added
on to survive for more than a few minutes SHOULD NOT BE CONNECTED TO THE
INTERNET IN THE FIRST PLACE.
They're simply not good enough.
It's like bringing a knife to a gunfight. (nod to Mr.
Name anyone techie who doesn't have to do tech support for their
mother on MS Windows..
The ones whose Mom's got Macs, of course. (Well, in my case it's my
Mother-in-Law, but the
tech support required has dramatically reduced.)
Marshall beat me to it. I have a T-shirt that says Mac: So
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 03:23:26 -0600 (CST)
Gadi Evron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a very smart person said a couple of weeks ago when this same argument
was made: are you willing to do tech-support for my mother is she uses
linux?
Yes. Well, not your mother (unless she paid me) but I used to
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:51:38 -0600
Dave Pooser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marshall beat me to it. I have a T-shirt that says Mac: So simple my
parents can use it. It's funny because it's true.
Why do I keep hearing My parents are stupid in these sorts of
comments? Just wait. They get smarter
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:38:10 -0500
From: D'Arcy J.M. Cain darcy@druid.net
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 09:51:38 -0600
Dave Pooser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Marshall beat me to it. I have a T-shirt that says Mac: So
simple my parents can use it. It's funny because it's true.
Why do I keep
During the cold war American kids
were trained to hide beneath their desktops in caseof a nuclear
attack. Much good that would have done.
...
I don't pretend to know the real reason but keeping control is usually
better even if you can't change the outcome.
The goal was some
On February 12, 2007 at 04:28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Bonomi) wrote:
Mostly the same as what I said, but one important difference: duck and
cover was a response to seeing the flash (only seconds), not to sirens
going off (minutes) which was generally get your coat and go into the
hallway and
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 15:05:45 -0500
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the late 60s I remember having an interesting conversation with
someone who did this kind of strategizing for the Dept of Civil
Defense.
His scenarios were markedly diferent from the urban folklore you'd
hear from
Of course, but the point was the goal of that targetting. The US
public by and large believed, and seems to still believe (i.e., the TV
show Jericho) that the goal of a USSR attack was purely vindictive,
complete annhilation. Apparently Civil Defense leaned more towards
invasion as a goal.
No
Of course, but the point was the goal of that targetting. The
US public by and large believed, and seems to still believe
[snip]
If anniliation is the goal than it's of no importance, just
bomb the densest population centers.
To borrow from snarky comments past:
Unless Vendor C
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 17:12:56 -0500
Barry Shein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, but the point was the goal of that targetting. The US
public by and large believed, and seems to still believe (i.e., the TV
show Jericho) that the goal of a USSR attack was purely vindictive,
complete
Hmm, let's see.
Nukes = cold war = arpanet = internet
Yup, looks ok.
On 2/12/07, Olsen, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, but the point was the goal of that targetting. The
US public by and large believed, and seems to still believe
[snip]
If anniliation is the goal than
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 12:50:20PM +0100, Per Heldal wrote:
On Mon, 2007-02-12 at 10:13 +0100, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:
Sure, just find these few simple things that will actually improve
security. (My personal one would be Erase MS-Windows and install
Ubuntu. If we are ready to
Causality? WW2=nukes, cold war=arpanet=internet, surely?
On 2/12/07, micky coughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm, let's see.
Nukes = cold war = arpanet = internet
Yup, looks ok.
On 2/12/07, Olsen, Jason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Of course, but the point was the goal of that targetting.
Come on guys... Some more originality please... Internet---Al-Qaeda
fundraisingAfghanistan---USSR vs. USCold war
Arpanet--- Internet.
Vicious cycle.
-mike
On 2/12/07, Alexander Harrowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Causality? WW2=nukes, cold war=arpanet=internet, surely?
On
On 2/12/2007 at 3:13 PM, Alexander Harrowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Causality? WW2=nukes, cold war=arpanet=internet, surely?
Hitler=WW2=...
Godwin!
Please?
Anyway, we all know Al Gore invented the Internet.
On 2/12/07, micky coughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm, let's see.
Nukes =
Alexander Harrowell wrote:
Causality? WW2=nukes, cold war=arpanet=internet, surely?
Heh. We're that close to invoking Godwin's Law here. :-)
On 2/12/07, *micky coughes* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hmm, let's see.
Nukes = cold war = arpanet = internet
warning-- this thread is so far off topic, i can't even REMEMBER a topic
that it might once have had. hit D now.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Barry Shein) writes:
... If your goal is invasion then value preservation is important
(factories, bridges, civilian infrastructure, etc.) ...
so if the last
3. Even if your computer is secure, miscreants depend on your trust. Be
suspicious of messages, files, software; even if it appears to come from
a
person or company you trust.
Anti-spam, anti-spyware, anit-virus, anti-phishing tools can help.
But
don't assume because you are using
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007, Alexander Harrowell wrote:
5. Paying for AV software is not a solution, no matter how often it's been
on TV. (Norton - the antivirus software one finds on virus-infected
computers)
Don't forget the trojan payload lately that used a cracked copy of Kaspersky
AntiVirus to
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Stasiniewicz, Adam wrote:
Sean makes a good point, but there is one small problem with his
suggestions. He is preaching to the choir.
Just trying to get the choir to sing on key. Of course, I know the choir
will probably spin off singing 18 different songs.
Local
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:36:32 -0600
Stasiniewicz, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Another time I was do some consulting work for a NPO. I was going
over the findings of my audit and I told the IT manager that all of
his machines were missing patches. His response: we only install
service
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Roy wrote:
Its amazing how reporters has to butcher technology information to make it
understood by their editors
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/02/06/internet.attacks.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Do we keep
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Sean Donelan wrote:
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007, Stasiniewicz, Adam wrote:
Sean makes a good point, but there is one small problem with his
suggestions. He is preaching to the choir.
Just trying to get the choir to sing on key. Of course, I know the choir
will probably
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:49:30 -0600
Dave Pooser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He was both right and wrong -- patches do break a lot of stuff. He
was facing two problems: the probability of being off the air
because of an attack versus the probability of being off the air
because of bad
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) writes:
... don't believe everything you read on the net.
you had me right up until that last part, which is completely unreasonable.
--
Paul Vixie
] On Behalf Of
Steven M. Bellovin
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 12:49 PM
To: Dave Pooser
Cc: nanog
Subject: Re: Every incident is an opportunity (was Re: Hackers hit key
Internet traffic computers)
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:49:30 -0600
Dave Pooser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He was both right and wrong
On 11 Feb 2007, Paul Vixie wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) writes:
... don't believe everything you read on the net.
you had me right up until that last part, which is completely unreasonable.
I think it's not only reasonable, but is the only sane way to approach
content on
... don't believe everything you read on the net.
you had me right up until that last part, which is completely unreasonable.
I think it's not only reasonable, but is the only sane way to approach
content on the net. Why do you feel it's unreasonable? Or are you being
sarcastic?
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Gadi Evron wrote:
Colin Powell mentioned at RSA in his extremely good, entertaining and
pointless talk something of relevance. During the cold war American kids
were trained to hide beneath their desktops in caseof a nuclear
attack. Much good that would have done.
The
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Roy wrote:
Its amazing how reporters has to butcher technology information to make it
understood by their editors
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/02/06/internet.attacks.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories
Do we keep missing opportunities?
Yes, it was a minor
: Every incident is an opportunity (was Re: Hackers hit key
Internet traffic computers)
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Roy wrote:
Its amazing how reporters has to butcher technology information to
make it
understood by their editors
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/internet/02/06/internet.attacks.ap/index.ht
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