NANOG ISP Security BOF

2002-10-02 Thread Merike Kaeo
Hello Everyone. Barry Greene and I will be hosting an ISP Security BOF at the upcoming meeting. Please check out http://www.nanog.org/mtg-0210/securebof.html We are soliciting input from peering coordinators who wish to participate in this BOF.if you are one, please fill out the form

Bob on SPAM

2002-10-02 Thread Bob Martinez
NANOG: Since Ethernet strings die, I give you my opinion of how to stop SPAM. We shall let Ethernet defend for itself for now. It is doing fine w/o my help. Mail Adminstrators need to have peering policies. Traffic Adminstrators need to have traffic policies. Processes beget policies.

Re: Bob on SPAM

2002-10-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:29:49 -, Bob Martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: server (ex.). As with PIM Snooping, Ethernet based networks can easily snoop this activity (authenticated traffic) and deny it at wirespeed as close the source as you dare go (domain). These service could easily be

Toolmakers BOF in Eugene

2002-10-02 Thread Joe Abley
Hi, We're trying to assemble a small herd of script hackers in Eugene in the form of a BOF. If anybody has interesting tools they use to wrangle routers (or interesting problems that can currently only be solved by hand, for which automated solutions would be useful), want to drop me a line

Re: Equinix to join role of chapter 11's?

2002-10-02 Thread Paul Vixie
reports of equinix's demise appear to have been grossly premature. see http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/021002/20088_1.html, whose title is something like: Equinix Gains Strategic Investment From Singapore Technologies Telemedia and Creates the Largest Global Network Neutral Internet Exchange

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Scott Francis
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 02:43:41PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] I have question for the security community on NANOG. What is your learned opinion of having host accounts (unix machines) with UID/GID of 0:0 otherwords jmbrown_r:password:0:0:John M.

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Scott Francis
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:34:38AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] This is a really /really/ REALLY bad idea. I had nightmare issues dealing with a network formerly run by a 'sysadmin' who thought every user that might need to do something as root should have a uidzero account.

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Scott Francis
On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 02:43:41PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [snip] On Mon, Sep 23, 2002 at 02:44:34PM -0700, Scott Francis wrote: On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 03:22:11PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I have question for the security community on NANOG. What is your learned

San Diego Colocation

2002-10-02 Thread Steve Rude
I'm looking for carrier neutral colo in San Diego. We are a wireless isp, and will need rooftop rights. Any advice/experiences would be appreciated. Specifically we are interested in thoughts on Switch and Data, and ClearBlue. TIA. Steve Rude

Re: Equinix to join role of chapter 11's?

2002-10-02 Thread David Diaz
I to join in, I want to publicly congrat Jay and the rest. There were a lot of people throwing FUD around, nowadays it's too easy to be negative and very counterproductive to growth and deployment. Equinix is obviously here to stay and a safe place to do peering and interconnections.

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Scott Francis
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 04:06:00PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [ On Wednesday, October 2, 2002 at 11:47:12 (-0700), Scott Francis wrote: ] Subject: Re: Security Practices question Absolutely so - which is why no account should have multiple equally valid passwords, which is what

Re: Equinix to join role of chapter 11's?

2002-10-02 Thread John M. Brown
Hats off to Jay and Bill and the entire TEAM at EQIX. As a soon to be customer (times 2), a shareholder and a fan, I'm most happy to hear about this deal.. All the work Bill Norton has done on peering and IX issues, the costs in travel and time away from family and home I think have paid EQIX

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Scott Francis
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:08:05PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: [ On Wednesday, October 2, 2002 at 13:26:15 (-0700), Scott Francis wrote: ] Subject: Re: Security Practices question grr. Please read Barb's post about exactly why multiple aliases for the UID 0 account is a Bad Idea. It's

Re: NANOG ISP Security BOF

2002-10-02 Thread dgold
Why would you want peering coordinators to speak at a Security BOF? I would think that you would want network engineers who are knowledgable in backbone security techniques to speak. The interaction of this set to the set of peering coordinators tends to be rather weak - not nonexistant, just

RE: Equinix to join role of chapter 11's?

2002-10-02 Thread Shannon Lake
The Equinix Team, Congratulations on this strategic move. Way to go! Shannon M. Lake Sr. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Vixie Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Equinix to join role

Re: NANOG ISP Security BOF

2002-10-02 Thread Sean Donelan
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, dgold wrote: Why would you want peering coordinators to speak at a Security BOF? I would think that you would want network engineers who are knowledgable in backbone security techniques to speak. The interaction of this set to the set of peering coordinators tends to be

Re: NANOG ISP Security BOF

2002-10-02 Thread Merike Kaeo
As Sean stated, it is more of an issue of who comes to NANOG. Anyone working on security issues within ISP's is welcome to come.we WANT them to come and participate. Sorry if it was misleading. - merike At 05:07 PM 10/2/2002 -0500, dgold wrote: Why would you want peering coordinators

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread just me
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Scott Francis wrote: Can you back up that statement in /any/ way? What exactly are your reasons why sudo is a worse solution (or even a bad idea)? In an environment where every sysadmin is interchangable, and any one of them can be woken up at 3am to fix the random

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread E.B. Dreger
jm Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:48:16 -0700 (PDT) jm From: just me jm In an environment where every sysadmin is interchangable, and jm any one of them can be woken up at 3am to fix the random jm problem of the day, you tell me how to manage 'sudoers' on jm 4000 machines. krb5/ksu Eddy --

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Jason Slagle
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, just me wrote: In an environment where every sysadmin is interchangable, and any one of them can be woken up at 3am to fix the random problem of the day, you tell me how to manage 'sudoers' on 4000 machines. In an situation where the team needs root; all per-admin UID 0

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Joel Baker
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:48:16PM -0700, just me wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Scott Francis wrote: Can you back up that statement in /any/ way? What exactly are your reasons why sudo is a worse solution (or even a bad idea)? In an environment where every sysadmin is interchangable,

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Barb Dijker
At 05:48 PM 10/2/02 -0700, just me wrote: In an environment where every sysadmin is interchangable, and any one of them can be woken up at 3am to fix the random problem of the day, you tell me how to manage 'sudoers' on 4000 machines. Sudo provides for one master sudoers file that you can copy

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Scott Walker
could use scp also. Altho not as secure you'd need null keys. But could also have the same issues with rdist. Joel Baker wrote: On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:48:16PM -0700, just me wrote: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Scott Francis wrote: Can you back up that statement in /any/ way? What exactly

Re: Security Practices question

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Lamoureux
eddy == E B Dreger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jm Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:48:16 -0700 (PDT) jm From: just me jm In an environment where every sysadmin is interchangable, and any jm one of them can be woken up at 3am to fix the random problem of jm the day, you tell me how to manage 'sudoers'

IPv4 country of origin

2002-10-02 Thread Ralph Doncaster
I would like to restrict access from certain countries to content on my network (for security and legal reasons). So far the best algorithm I've been able to come up with is a combination of reverse DNS and APNIC/ARIN/RIPE whois queries. I've written a perl cgi that checks reverse DNS first,

Re: IPv4 country of origin

2002-10-02 Thread John Payne
On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:21:04PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote: Is there a more accurate method to determine the country of origin for an IP than the methods I've described above? Several companies offer such services. I'd be happy to give some pointers offlist.

Re: IPv4 country of origin

2002-10-02 Thread Joe Abley
On Wednesday, Oct 2, 2002, at 23:21 Canada/Eastern, Ralph Doncaster wrote: I would like to restrict access from certain countries to content on my network (for security and legal reasons). So far the best algorithm I've been able to come up with is a combination of reverse DNS and