Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread Michael Goldhaber
As a one-time theoretical physicist, I find this quote from Gosden to be out-dated, overly reductive, and incorrect, at least as far as the most thoughtful scientists go. Scientific understanding doesn’t “derive from abstraction,” but rather the other way round. It doesn’t separate humans

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread mp
On 08/12/2021 18:02, Joseph Rabie wrote: > > I am really wary of terms like magic, beyond seeing them as a poetic > metaphors (helpful & useful, as such) for things that escape us, or > transcend us, or that are incomprehensible to us, even though they > are clearly there (consciousness, for

wary of terms like synthesis

2021-12-08 Thread mp
On 08/12/2021 18:13, Gary Hall wrote: > I'm really wary of terms like synthesis. A term with many definitions/connotations, which one gives you caution? Taking a look in OED's arrangement of possible meanings what comes closest to what I had in mind is 6b: "A body of things put together; a

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread Brian Holmes
I agree that now, any significant work has to deal with humanity's relations to the environment. And as somebody who looks to art, cosmology and science as the triple way to deal, Chris Godsen's book on the history of magic sounds intriguing (see MP's post). But as far as I've gotten with David

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread Gary Hall
I'm really wary of terms like synthesis. Gary On 08/12/2021 17:31, mp wrote: It's titled 'The History of Magic: From Alchemy to Witchcraft, from the Ice Age to the Present' (2020) and he sets out to bring together the triple helix in a vision that incorporates elements of the inter-species

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread Joseph Rabie
> Le 8 déc. 2021 à 18:31, mp a écrit : > > "...We will continue to use science to understand and change the world. > But magic has an older sibling’s capacity to calm the energies of > science and its technologies, allowing us to think about the ends to > which scientific discoveries can be

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread analoguehorizon
Hi Felix, Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I've been enjoying listening to various podcasts and interviews with Wengrow but I haven't got around to the book yet. LSE have had a seminar series recently on Graeber's work which is worth checking out. The final seminar is this week -

Re: The Dawn of Everything (very short review)

2021-12-08 Thread mp
Thanks for this... On 06/12/2021 11:28, Felix Stalder wrote: > While the book is great, it has a glaring hole in it. What is almost > entirely missing is the discussion of how this "carnival parade" of > social forms structured the relation to the environment, or, more > generally, how they were