Re: [OSM-newbies] Proposal to close newbies@ list

[Xan]

The only reason about maintaining that is because, in my opinion, the 
help.openstreetmap.org answers are shorter than here in the mailing list. Here 
the newbies have very deep explanation of things and in help.OSM just a short 
message.

But close if you are overwheelmed.

On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:28:27 +
Richard Fairhurst  ha escrit:

> Hi all,
> 
> Usage of the newbies@openstreetmap.org mailing list, set up in 2007 to 
> provide help to new users, has dwindled to almost nothing. There were no 
> posts in September, October, November, or December.
> 
> Generally we now have better places to provide help to new users - 
> principally http://help.openstreetmap.org/ , but also national forums 
> and mailing lists. There is also more OSM documentation than was once 
> the case.
> 
> So that new users don't seek help in a little-used backwater, but 
> instead go to a place where help is more likely to be found, I'm 
> proposing (as list admin) to close the list to subscriptions and to 
> posting. The list archives would be retained.
> 
> If you have a compelling reason why the list should not be closed, 
> please speak up now. You'll need to volunteer to be the admin though. ;)
> 
> cheers
> Richard
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Re: [OSM-newbies] Proposal to close newbies@ list

[Dave F.]

On 12/01/2016 08:26, Xan wrote:

The only reason about maintaining that is because, in my opinion, the 
help.openstreetmap.org answers are shorter than here in the mailing list. Here 
the newbies have very deep explanation of things and in help.OSM just a short 
message.


Those that help here will more than likely transfer to the other sites & 
where they will give their long answers.



But close if you are overwheelmed.


I believe being 'underwhelmed' is the reason for the proposal.

Dave F.

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Re: [OSM-newbies] Proposal to close newbies@ list

[Phil Monger]

With respect, the notion that there's a group of people who can contribute to 
osm edits but can't click a url is a little far fetched. 
It's not 1999 anymore, the overwhelming majority of people using email are 
doing so from a Web interface anyway, and most newbies are doing edits in their 
browser. 


P

> On 12 Jan 2016, at 12:01, Dorine Flies  wrote:
> 
> I think there exists a presumption that "everyone" has access to the sites 
> and portals mention, this presumption is not wholly accurate and additionally 
> the ability to read and navigate online is a challenge still for many, where 
> a direct question here would help to keep them engaged, rather than disengage 
> for want of a simple way to find an answer.
> 
> I was particularly struck when I attended the London meetup at just how 
> diverse the group was in age range, one lady while competent once taught, 
> step by step the how to, I would argue would have found the web content a 
> challenge, as with web content the presumption is that you know what you are 
> looking for in the first place. 
> 
> From my perspective what I see as the issue of being "underwhelm" here is 
> more a case that no one is signposting newbies to the list at a localised 
> level rather than that there is no need for it.
> 
>  
> 
>   
> EPIK
> about.me/dorine_flies
>   
>  
> 
>> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Dave F.  wrote:
>>> On 12/01/2016 08:26, Xan wrote:
>>> The only reason about maintaining that is because, in my opinion, the 
>>> help.openstreetmap.org answers are shorter than here in the mailing list. 
>>> Here the newbies have very deep explanation of things and in help.OSM just 
>>> a short message.
>> 
>> Those that help here will more than likely transfer to the other sites & 
>> where they will give their long answers.
>> 
>>> But close if you are overwheelmed.
>> 
>> I believe being 'underwhelmed' is the reason for the proposal.
>> 
>> Dave F.
>> 
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Re: [OSM-newbies] Proposal to close newbies@ list

[Abhijit Kshirsagar]

Hello,

I'm in favor of closing this list.

I've been using OSM for 5+ years now, and really happy with it.
I started contributing only recently, and I joined all the mailing
lists I could find at the time.
As a newbie I found that the documentation is quite scattered, so
maybe the last few posts on this list could be
a summary of the resource base for newbies.

Regards,

Abhijit
Bangalore, India

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[OSM-newbies] Proposal to close newbies@ list

[Richard Fairhurst]

Hi all,

Usage of the newbies@openstreetmap.org mailing list, set up in 2007 to 
provide help to new users, has dwindled to almost nothing. There were no 
posts in September, October, November, or December.


Generally we now have better places to provide help to new users - 
principally http://help.openstreetmap.org/ , but also national forums 
and mailing lists. There is also more OSM documentation than was once 
the case.


So that new users don't seek help in a little-used backwater, but 
instead go to a place where help is more likely to be found, I'm 
proposing (as list admin) to close the list to subscriptions and to 
posting. The list archives would be retained.


If you have a compelling reason why the list should not be closed, 
please speak up now. You'll need to volunteer to be the admin though. ;)


cheers
Richard

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Re: [OSM-newbies] Proposal to close newbies@ list

[Fanie]

Hi Richard,

I have dabbled in map corrections only lightly, and I enjoyed the 
experience. I still consider myself a newby, though. OSM did help me to 
navigate from Poland to The Netherlands during a holiday, so I remain a fan.


I have been following this newsletter for some time, and it gave me some 
understanding of what is possible in OSM. I want to thank you for your 
dedication, and though I am slightly sad that the newsletter will be no 
more, I cannot really justify its existence. It did give me pleasure.


Greetings,

Fanie van der Walt
Pretoria, South Africa



On 11/01/2016 16:28, Richard Fairhurst wrote:

Hi all,

Usage of the newbies@openstreetmap.org mailing list, set up in 2007 to 
provide help to new users, has dwindled to almost nothing. There were 
no posts in September, October, November, or December.


Generally we now have better places to provide help to new users - 
principally http://help.openstreetmap.org/ , but also national forums 
and mailing lists. There is also more OSM documentation than was once 
the case.


So that new users don't seek help in a little-used backwater, but 
instead go to a place where help is more likely to be found, I'm 
proposing (as list admin) to close the list to subscriptions and to 
posting. The list archives would be retained.


If you have a compelling reason why the list should not be closed, 
please speak up now. You'll need to volunteer to be the admin though. ;)


cheers
Richard

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