Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

The hackathon element requires in person with equipment. So there's that too. ⁣Bob On Nov 15, 2023, 4:27 PM, at 4:27 PM, Jack Haverty via Nnagain wrote: >Interesting!   I noticed that participants are limited to receive-only, > >with only one able to speak at any time.  From the guide: > >"The

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Interesting!   I noticed that participants are limited to receive-only, with only one able to speak at any time.  From the guide: "The general expectation is that participants will send audio or video /only/ when recognized by a session chair as part of the queue." That seems rather

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

I am glad you are reaching out, but it may be difficult for us to do a joint filing. In particular I question the seeming assumption that more wifi devices will drive demand for more bandwidth, and extrapolating from 18 devices forward may also well be a trend that will reverse completely in

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

> And IIRC during covid, didn't the IETF do online only meetings? Yes, we did! The IETF pivoted in March 2020 to fully virtual with 701 remote attendees. That continued for 2 years until March 2022 when we started having in-person again – and since that time they have been hybrid (and will

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

: Nnagain [mailto:nnagain-boun...@lists.bufferbloat.net] On Behalf Of David Lang via Nnagain Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2023 12:01 PM To: Sebastian Moeller via Nnagain Cc: David Lang Subject: Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards It's really hard to overhear a nearby

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

It's really hard to overhear a nearby conversation that catches your interest in a zoom environment compared to what happens at the 'hallway track' when you are in-person If all you are interested in is the session contents, then video recordings (possibly supplemented by the ability to ask

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Hi Jack, My argument is this is not a hard or software problem, but a wetware problem, hard to shake off million years of evolution. And IIRC during covid, didn't the IETF do online only meetings? I am not saying video conferencing is doomed, it came a long way in the covid years and is 'here

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Thanks for sharing this. I agree this works for researchers. I think we're at a different state and economic returns matter too. I sent the following to our engineers in hopes we can all better understand what we're all trying to accomplish. Hi All, The attached Notice of Inquiry by the FCC

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

In the beginning days of the Arpanet, circa early 1970s, ARPA made a policy decision about use of the Arpanet.  First, Arpa Program Managers, located on the East Coast of the US, were assigned computer accounts on USC-ISIA, located on the West Coast in LA. Thus to do their work, exchanging

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Also, don't forget to measure with working-loads too --working-load[=up|down|bidir][,n] request a concurrent working load, currently TCP stream(s), defaults to full duplex (or bidir) unless the up or down option is provided. The number of TCP streams defaults to 1 and can be changed via the n

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

It's frustrating to me that even experts here don't measure latency as a first priority. The tooling has been available for years to do this. And it's only getting better and more feature rich, e.g. bounce-back. --bounceback[=n] run a TCP bounceback or rps test with optional number writes in a

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Hi Jack, > On Nov 14, 2023, at 13:02, Jack Haverty via Nnagain > wrote: > > If video conferencing worked well enough, they would not have to all get > together in one place and would instead hold IETF meetings online ...? [SM] Turns out that humans are social creatures, and some

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

iperf 2 supports two features relevant here - one for a live video source (isochronous) and the other for DASH like protocols (--burst-size & --burst-period.) Note: One can select the CCA to influence pacing or not on bursts. These tests are under utilized and not well known. Also, don't

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Hi Jeremy, > On Nov 14, 2023, at 12:58, Jeremy Austin via Nnagain > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 6:46 AM Livingood, Jason via Nnagain > wrote: > On the subject of how much bandwidth does one household need, here's a fun > stat for you. > > > > At the IETF’s 118th meeting

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 6:46 AM Livingood, Jason via Nnagain < nnagain@lists.bufferbloat.net> wrote: > On the subject of how much bandwidth does one household need, here's a fun > stat for you. > > > > At the IETF’s 118th meeting last > week (Nov 4 – 10,

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

On Tue, Nov 14, 2023 at 12:25 PM Vint Cerf via Nnagain wrote: > > if they had not been all together they would have been consuming tons of > video capacity doing video conference calls There were plenty of remote attendees. One feed per room = ? Videoconferencing capacity use is another

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Hi Jason, Thank you very much for the information! Regards On 14 November 2023 11:37:26 GMT-05:00, "Livingood, Jason" wrote: >> Joking aside, how representative is this ratio of users to peak traffic for >> what you know about residential users? I am not looking for anything more >> than a

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

> Joking aside, how representative is this ratio of users to peak traffic for > what you know about residential users? I am not looking for anything more > than a very coarse replay, like same order of magnitude or not ;) Based on my experience, this is representative in so far as: - People

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Hi Dave, On 14 November 2023 11:06:54 GMT-05:00, Dave Taht via Nnagain wrote: >As I noted also on the twitter thread for this, were I there, and >dishonest, (particularly were gobs of money on the table) I could easily >have permuted the bandwidth on both tests hugely upwards from a single

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

I guess I now am prepared to upgrade my home network into the ~1Gbps class, before inviting 1000 engineers over ;) Joking aside, how representative is this ratio of users to peak traffic for what you know about residential users? I am not looking for anything more than a very coarse replay,

Re: [NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

Thanks for this. It helps a lot. I think a unified voice from this group around the metrics could be quite good. I do want to make sure iperf 2 covers this in a simple manner and very well so we in the chip business can catch issues very early in the process life cycle: Regardless of the

[NNagain] FCC NOI due dec 1 on broadband speed standards

https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-23-89A1.pdf Obviously I am going to have to weigh in on section 26, at least. I would rather be writing code... -- :( My old R campus is up for sale: https://tinyurl.com/yurtlab Dave Täht CSO, LibreQos ___