Not much help, but I know that the Dark Island was published as a piece of sheet
music with the words. I've seen it but I don't have it. And it is still in
copyright, so beware of any infringement.
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The first lyric that Robyn gives (by Silver) is the one I recall from the
'oficial' sheet music, it also seems to be the only one that actually fits the
tune.
Now that's interesting. Thank you for all the feedback. I'd no idea it
was so recent. The words I'd got were the Stewart Ross ones, but
I believe there's a good medicated shampoo available now which, while it doesn't
get rid of it completely, should at least give you some relief.
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An OFFLIST reply is precisely that, it wasn't meant to be public but now it is.
I
stand by what I wrote, as I also stand by not sending it out for public
consumption because I have no wish to cause offence. Let the rumpus begin.
For the record, I've heard, and played with, many of the choyters
give us a clue. what is a choyter and what is a pea-sheller
Maybe the message didn't get through after all then, whew!
choyter - slurs notes
pea-sheller - plays staccato
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Very interesting John, but they are a better fit with the other Highland Laddie
derived from the Lass of Livingston. Because of the rhythm they'll naturally
also
fit a large number of other reels and Scots measures.
Before signing off for my late night birl practice it's worth reminding
Sorry Ian, for a committee who regard the likes of Spootiskerry and the
Lemonville Jig as traditional Northumbrian tunes, your suggestion would be
lost on them.
Ladies, Gentlemen, on the one hand it's good that some people take the tradition
seriously, on the other let us not be surprised that
And a quick acknowledgement of both the Morpeth Gathering and NPS competitions,
and any others which do not impose an unrealistic time limit on variations.
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Maybe we need that triangle of player, maker, composer somewhere
Matt...
You're misquoting me somewhat Julia, and it was Chris who first mentioned the
triad of music, pipes and piper, which is the triad of 'piping'. The composer -
if I can risk being metaphysical - is someone who is not
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I've been watching the jazz thread a bit. There seems to be a certain
reluctance to see the NSP being used in venues that are not strictly
traditional.
The jazz thread is a total red herring. Nobody can play jazz on the NSP, the
people
Somebody on the list, perhaps called T***y, sent me a private reply to my group
message. I took the time to send a private reply to their message - it was
returned as spam.
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Given that the writer only wrote 7 bars every other line, do we take
the rest of rhythm literally, as syncopated throughout, or a mistake?
In other words, is it really dotted crotchet, crotchet, quaver, or the
more common dotted crotchet, quaver, crotchet - ?
And PLEASE don't quote the whole
There is an alternative in German: a curious onlooker, wondering which
bits of the pipes did what, enquired whether the drones were the
'Auspuff', i.e. the exhaust (the part of a car N Americans call the
silencer).
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Well I thought it was pretty good
Here's a new tune, hot off the press, to celebrate the TV appearance of
Bolton's greatest piper - the legendary Shameless Ennis!
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As I understand it - and I haven't researched this extensively - there
are 2 main versions, one is very old and much simpler than the rest,
and is from a 1600s Scottish mandour tablature book. It's recorded by
Rob MacKillop on mandour on his Greentrax album called - Flowers of
the Forest. I think
I think this is the Scots Musical Museum version, located from JC's tune finder
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/tmp/Tune078862.gif
it's in B flat rather than A flat, on which I could have been
mistaken, my copy is in a box of books.
The GHB versions are a) very 'cut down' and b) do not agree with
Bill omits to say that while we were watching his Selkirk Common
Riding video we were eating Selkirk Bannock. We know how to have a
good time.
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This piece seems to have entered our repertoire via Billy Pigg having been
included among the performances recorded by Foster Charlton and issued on the
Leader LP 'The Border Minstrel'.
Yes indeed, but I think you'll find that it had previously been taken
up by Jimmy Shand. From there, it's
Thanks for that Colin
I replied personally to Anthony and we have had a friendly exchange
about titles and metres.
I stick absolutely to my interpretation that these 3 tunes are in 3/4
even though all but one of Vickers' triple-time hornpipes have the 6/8
signature and mixed note groupings, if I
Good examples, John. Everything you mention here I would consider as
syncopation rather than change of metre, or in the case of Risty
Gulley, alternating metre. Maybe this is a too-subtle distinction, but
it's one that I experience. I use syncopation a lot in my own playing,
and for me it works
If not for the sake of Jemmy, then for the sake of Auld Wull, who is,
from his description in the 'Life of J A', a more suitable candidate
for iconic status.
- Matt Seattle (or Seatle..)
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I agree with you on that, John, likelier, more characteristic of the
idiom, and more musical. The error is typical (I've probably exceeded
my quota of complaints about NM - I feel its slipshod editing did a
lot of damage - so, enough).
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with this extra
commentary the passage is still meaningless dribble. Say what you mean! Or
is this whole farrago totally content -free?
Cheers,
Robert
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Check with your airline that they will accept it as hand luggage
first, they vary, and my experience has been mixed. It often just
depends on the disposition of the person who checks you in. I have had
my Border pipes (long Savage Hoy case) in the hold reluctantly but
without damage, but I've
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He's gone o'er long with a stick in his hand
This didn't chime with me. Apart from the poor internal rhyme, the
sense is different from
He's gyen ower land wiv his stick iv his hand
which is how I've heard it sung. There's a version on
I don't know if there is such a thing a
'NSP music that would be traditional for a funeral'
but the Scottish Border lament Flow'rs of the Forest has resonance for
many, and there is a recording on Kathryn Tickell's 'Borderlands' if I
recall correctly.
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I am in sympathy with he points expressed above, but I also believe
the matter is a bit more subtle. It's not a question of drone music
versus harmonic music.
Pipe music - the type we're talking about here, not the
fiddle-repertoire-on-pipes type - has, to my senses, a foot in both
camps. To take
I didn't understand what AR meant with his tomato, either - if he
meant un unstressed downbeat (to-) then I'm mystified, as Rants have a
stress on the downbeat in my experience. The stress of the word tomato
is on the -ma-, whether you say tomaato or tomayto.
Mason's Apron is Scottish, the
It would be too obvious say the same about Border pipes, so I'd better not..
On 1/5/09, Chris Ormston ch...@chrisormston.com wrote:
I'm told that only recently Tommy Breckons made a similar comment about NSP!
I am reminded of a article written by Pat McNulty, the Glasgow based
uilleann piper,
I've also seen it called Reel of Tullochgorum in one of the modern
Taigh na Teud compilations, and just thought it was a mistake, without
knowing the Ian Powrie connection. This is also rather strange in that
Tullochgorum is a completely separate tune with a long history (and is
No-one is saying that Jimmy Allan is the same *tune* as Tullocch
Gorum, but that the latter's *title* was applied to the former tune,
and possibly before that tune was called Jimmy Allan.
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Those words were written for the old tune of Tullochgorum (not 'Jimmy
Allan'). The old tune survives in very many written versions, in both
reel and strathspey arrangements. The reel versions are, as far as I
can tell, older. Many reels were converted to strathspeys later, from
the evidence I have
On 1/14/09, Barry Say barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
Are you aware of any historic publication which contains both the
words and music. The song has eight lines to a verse. I would tend
to try and fit them to ABB of the tune, because lines 5-8 and 9-12
contain many similar words, but without
On 1/14/09, Barry Say barr...@nspipes.co.uk wrote:
Personally, I think it would be a good idea if information such as
you and others have assembled in the notes to GNTB and other
publications. Could be arranged in a computer readable form
especially if other researchers could then add to the
A new article on Maggie Lauder, with sheet music and basic midi
playback, is now online at the LBPS website, thanks to heroic webwork
by Anita Evans. It should be of interest to Uilleann, Northumbrian and
Border pipers as well as fiddlers and others.
http://lbps.net/MaggieLauder/index.html
Hope
No, Philip, they're all whole notes - how can you have half a note?
It's like half a piece of string.
On 3/12/09, Philip Gruar phi...@gruar.clara.net wrote:
Sorry - I gave a wrong translation! Should have said quaver (eighth-note)
Minims = Half-note, Crotchet = Quarter-note,
If you read Note 8 in the new edition of Vickers you'll find 13
different spellings of Jack Lattin's name, and some other unrelated
titles which became attached to his tune.
Who cares? Well, I care enough to note them as they are the labels
attached to the versions referred to, but other than
Good one! And NEARLY fits the Border pipes too.
I use this site
http://www.concertina.net/tunes_convert.html
for abc conversion, don't know if it's better or worse than the other one.
borderdirectors.com
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Whether or not this was intended, Anthony Robb's comments on Dick
Hensold's playing style came across to me as condescending at best.
Well, Dick is my mate, and I'll stick up for him! I know him to be
more concerned than most with his articulation, but not in the sense
of focussing on one single
Some strathspeys have 'Rant' in the title also, e.g. Rothiemurchus'
Rant, Carrick's Rant. What's being referred to here is a more
specifically regional use. I've been wondering if some of the
common-time tunes in Peacock (Cuckold, Cut Dry, Passing By, Jackey
L) pass the soup test, and might be
if people
want to do something genuinely Northumbrian they have a choice of the
virtuoso Clough/Peacock repertoire (akin to Ceol Mohr for me) or the
more accessible, but still non-intuitive, Ceol Beag which, for me, is
the dance music of north Northumberland.
Is there no
On 4/13/09, Ian Lawther irlawt...@comcast.net wrote:
... Session A7 among
many others.
I think you mean Session A9 Ian. Session A7 is me and Bill Telfer, and we rock.
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My mistake Matt - but then you too are a kid from Kent (and more precisely
I think you and Tim Edey are both native to the Planet Thanet)
'Tis true, sir (along with Tracy Emin Edward Heath), though my genes
are from elsewhere. As are my jeans.
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Now the stupid question - is there any reason why I shouldn't play
while pregnant?
Of course. Peacock tunes only, though. It might the last chance to
save the world.
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I went to that Manitas de Plata concert too!
There's a strange convergence in mentioning Manitas de Plata here.
During his period of fame, which I also remember, he was lionized by
the great and good (e.g. Picasso, Dali), who, I suspect, would have
seen him as a kind of unsophisticated 'product
As far as I can remember there are quite a few dance tunes in the Peacock
collection. I'm not able to check how ranty they are the moment
I'm thinking specifically of variation sets - Cuckold, Cut Dry, I
Saw My Love, Jack Lattin (however he's spelt) - which I suspect you
can check from your
A lot of sense in there Barry.
It's easy to forget, if one is struggling with the intricacies of
technique, that a relatively uninformed listener will not actually
give a hoot about closed or open fingering, but *will* respond to
musicality on a macro-level. I have seen in more than one context
Another vote in favour - if Colin is willing, obviously
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I am pleased that a new form of words has now been proposed. I could
not have signed the previous motion, as I can neither have nor lack
confidence in a decision which resulted from circumstances and
discussions of which I only have very partial knowledge.
I have no knowledge of Joyce Quin;
On 6/9/09, Di Jevons d...@picklewood.info wrote:
I do think however there is a danger that 'life and bounce' can be mistaken
for 'breakneck speed'
Well said, Di. Going further, 'life and bounce' are (imho)
incompatible with 'breakneck speed'. Try, for example, to play a jig
with any kind of
I'm still bashing away at Peacock, and only recently took note of the
metronome settings in the recent edition, some of which are, to me,
stratospherically fast.
I have never taken note of them so can't comment. What I eventually
took note of was the remark of Thomas Bewick quoted in
in case you didn't spot my mistake
B/c/dgd rather than Bcgd
should read
B/c/dgd rather than Bdgd
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On 6/11/09, anth...@robbpipes.com anth...@robbpipes.com wrote:
When asked what the
third tune was, Robin said he hadn't a clue - he'd forgotten the tune
he was going to play and set off making a new tune up as he went along.
This has happened on several occasions with Border
On 6/10/09, Dave S david...@pt.lu wrote:
I,m sure it's online somewhere Francis, but my question is who actually
learnt these tunes from the tradition --- ie from someone who learnt them
from someone whose knew someone who learnt from Peacock ? do we have anyone
-- if so could they please set
The 40th Newcastleton Traditional Music Festival
[1]http://www.newcastleton.com
takes place 3-5 July. There are piping competitions on the Saturday
afternoon. I've been asked to judge them and to spread the word.
Northumbrian Pipes (all classes) 2.30 pm in the Community Room,
That's a fine tune from the Scots Musical Museum. I checked for other
versions and found it's also in Oswald (c.1750), 'What shou'd a Lassie
do wi an auld Man'. Different details - no snaps, and in G/Em rather
than D/Bm - but basically the same melody. I'll post the abc but
haven't
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Christopher
Gregg [1]chrisdgr...@gmail.com wrote:
I am looking for a way to transpose some duet parts from G down
to
the key of F without having to wrie it all out by hand. Any
suggestions?
Yes. Just read it down one note
This thread seems to have been split between the dartmouth and NPS
groups so I'm resending this bit to both. I've since checked SMM and
found that the link ([1]www.gleeman.org) provided by Richard gives an
inaccurate transcription and midi of SMM, which is actually closer to
Oswald
and A and only goes
up to f# on the fiddle's top string.
I would ask NSP players to comment on the above from their own
experience.
Matt Seattle
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wrote:
Many thanks to all who replied, I've given this lots
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:51 PM, [1]richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk
[2]richard.hea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
Speaking purely personally, and without further evidence at this
stage, the definition that most appeals to me is that relating to a
kirn-dolly the last corn to be cut
The FARNE site does not make it clear enough that I did NOT write the
Morpeth Rant article. I would rather it did make it clear because I
don't wish to take the credit or the blame for what I didn't write. I
DID write the other three and also the Introduction to the Core Tunes
Call and response is a good term Stephen, as is Colin's question and
answer. I think it's kan ha diskan in Brittany, and no doubt there are
other terms from other places. I'd noticed this in pipe tunes (e.g.
Lasses Boozes Brandy, Sweet as Sugar Candy, Cuddie Claw'd Her) and I'd
I agree with Julia on the idiosyncratic nature of the Kielder Jock ms.
Note that the title and composer have been supplied by another hand.
The version of Barrington is one musician's rendering, and valuable as
such, but I don't think it improves on the 'original', which is what
the
Notereader makes Hornpipes sound fairly good in 21/16, with dotted
and
undotted quavers alternating.
Do you mean 20/16, John?
Any system of notation relies on a culture which knows how that
particular music is played, just as any written language relies on
people knowing
I don't suppose anyone wants to hear my theories about Holey Ha'penny?
Francis
Yes please
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On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Ernie Shultis [1]cmcpi...@hotmail.com
wrote: Cauldwind Pipes
Or as Colin Ross strategically called then, the ambient-air-temperature
pipes, thus successfully and wisely scuppering an attempt to change the
Lowland and Border Pipers' Society into the
I can attest to extremes of skin chemistry. At a gig once where I was
playing electric guitar another band asked to borrow our gear for a
song or two. I lent their guitarist my newly-strung instrument, and
when he returned it a few minutes later the strings were rusty and
dead.
I found the following on Amazon for a hefty price -
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Northumbrian smallpipes, Bagpipes, Fiddle, The Ballad of Chevy Chase,
Rapper sword, ... Bagpipe, Border pipes, Pastoral pipes (Paperback)
by Frederic P. Miller
It's all beyond me, I don't know my Erse from my Alba
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Paul Gretton
[1]i...@gretton-willems.com wrote:
Good point! Similarly, we don't say Deutsch when we mean German
or
Nederlands when we mean Dutch. In the same vein, it annoys me
when
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Julia Say [1]julia@nspipes.co.uk
wrote:
On balance I think it's been of
great use to a large number of people over the years.
Sure. And everybody has a bad slow air day once in a while, no big
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1972 RTE prgramme on John Doherty the Donegal fiddler, in 5 parts. Part
1 is
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I'm currently putting what I hope are the finishing touches to the new
edition of Bewick's Pipe Tunes. I've reverted to Robert's Holy
Halfpenny title , corroborated by another early local source, rather
than the later Holey, and written The significance of either
interpretation is
poor Matt should have known better than ask for anything
conclusive... ;)
Keep it coming, please
- poor Matt
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:30 PM, DEREK LOFTHOUSE
[1]dloftho...@shaw.ca wrote:
There is a Belgian on the HurdyGurdy list, who is in the
military, who
has tried to blow up his Pelican case (empty) with grenades but it
survived intact.
DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME !
On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 2:30 PM, [1]pscot...@gmail.com wrote:
many thanks to all on this posting response
Knowing what Dublin airport security is like, it would be
remarkable if
they even notice anything unusual at all.
Paul
It is common for Uilleann
Having been thoroughly negative, if someone else can get a program
going (the use
of modes in Border music, Matt? grin), I'll attend if at all
possible.
I'll give it some thought. My own disincentive for doing anything much
there is that I don't want to miss the Border
On the subject of sharing tunes in emails, here's a transcription I did
recently after Anthony Robb reminded me of Will Atkinson's playing of
Miss Forbes' Farewell. It's very slightly idealised, in that Will does
play all the 'deviations' included in the second pass through the tune,
An early sighting is in Oswald CPC Vol 4 where it is called Roselana
Castle: 2 strains of air followed by 2 of variation followed by 4
'Brisk' 6/8 jig strs. The tune has been attributed to Oswald - it was
previously published by McGibbon as Glamis Castle in 1746 but Purser's
notes
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Richard York
[1]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk wrote:
what about the Scottishness of Welshness of the shape of the tune?
I don't know enough about Welshness to comment, but to me the tune
sounds more rooted in a particular time than a particular
NEWCASTLETON TRADITIONAL MUSIC FESTIVAL has the longest running Border
piping competition in Scotland and the only Northumbrian smallpipe
competition in Scotland. This year's date is 3 July.
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Entry
It seems from
[1]http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/GRA_GRAPE.htm
that it is in fact La Grande Chaine and that Le Grand Chien is the
mondegreen
but truth is sometimes stranger than fiction, or more slippery than
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Will the Barber (or won't he?)
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Gibbons, John
[1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
4-bar jigs are worth thinking about too - see 'I cannot get time
to
play with my hinny' (both versions) on FARNE, or of course 'Wylam
Away'. There
Simple mistranslation - plano = plan (noun) or flat (adjective)
salud
el ultimo gaitero de la frontera
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Julia Say [1]julia@nspipes.co.uk
wrote:
I've just received this message, and I've mislaid my babel fish.
Would the
consensus
See the Comments tab here -
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I am aware of the obvious similarity between Monk's and Proudlock's but
for some reason I'm not quite convinced that one is derived from the
other - it could be (unconscious) plagiarism, but it might be
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Jim McGillivray
[1]jim...@piping.on.ca wrote:
(I've attached a photo of the Border set.)
The list won't accept attachments
could be a reproduction from the late 1800s as two or three of the
large GHB firms were making reproductions of
Where have you been all the night? she describes as a Scotch
Tune.
It's tempting to think she's mis-remembered the line in Billy
Boy,
See the Note in the recently published NPS edition of Bewicks Pipe
Tunes, which has a tune of the title which is *not* Billy Boy
I've no idea whether it's got anything to do with Lord Randal.
I was made aware, from my reading, of the idea that 'Billy Boy' and
'Lord Randal' are sort-of counterparts to each other, humorous and
tragic, and both have relatively old antecedents.
The Note in Bewick merely hints
I see why you prefer the 3-strain Reavely version as more
consistent,
but the Crawhall strain 4 is worth having - perhaps better if
tweaked to fit the others from Reavely.
I should have another look in that case, thanks.
I have been thinking about this, and Lord
Well, obviously I'm biased, but I recommend
Matt Seattle Band ~ Reivers of the Heart
from [1]dragonflymusic.co.uk
Traditional and Original Music from the Borders and Northumberland,
including state-of-the-art versions of some Northumbrian classics (I
did say I was biased
Some time ago I had a go at this too, before I saw the Crawhall set.
I'll look it up.
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Julia Say [1]julia@nspipes.co.uk
wrote:
On 4 Nov 2010, Gibbons, John wrote:
Erratum:
line 4 in the tune I just sent should end dgf d2
and I
Before you read on - is anyone besides John Gibbons, Julia Say and
myself interested in this? Seriously, please say so, I'd like to know,
because if not, we can carry on the discussion privately.
If anyone thinks the three of us are crazy, I would like to point out
that I have been
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 6:11 AM, Julia Say [1]julia@nspipes.co.uk
wrote:
On 6 Nov 2010, Julia Say wrote:
according to my current prejudice ... some variation
sets were written down without the ground on the front. (Bobby
Shaftoe in Clough
MSS is like this and
Richard, not only is it on topic but it's a very live topic (for me at
least).
I was lecturing yesterday at Glasgow for the 3rd year Piping Degree
students (as Highland pipers they are exposed to two hours of Border
pipe music in three years...) and the Dixon variations - which
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When a high C# comes in a tune I play middle C# and it's not too
bad.
Anthony
Yes - City of Savannah is the one that first springs to mind, and the
others I can think of are also not pipe tunes ...
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On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Richard York
[1]rich...@lizards.force9.co.uk wrote:
for me hearing Billy Pigg (interesting how often his name crops up
in this) playing the Wild Hills of Wannie just Did It ... a seed
was set
Yes
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On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:55 PM, Gibbons, John
[1]j.gibb...@imperial.ac.uk wrote:
I'd agree completely about this record. Lovely! I must dig it out
again.
The precision is what marks it out from a lot of lesser
performances, Irish or from wherever.
I am so relieved
Clever and funny, Francis, well spotted
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Francis Wood
[1]oatenp...@googlemail.com wrote:
Two hornpipes as you've never heard them before -
The Wordsfail Hornpipe followed by Loudrocks.
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