Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-15 Thread Hans Hagen
On 4/14/2014 11:30 AM, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: I can change things but will only do that when all you mathematicians have some agreement about it ... Otared points out that the distinction between \triangle and \bigtriangleup comes from plain TeX. plain.tex has these definitions:

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-15 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
Hans Hagen pra...@wxs.nl writes: So \triangle is a math ord and \bigtriangleup a math bin. For compatibility, that should probably stay true in ConTeXt too---even the low placement of \bigtriangledown, which I don't understand but which does reproduce plain TeX's placement. why? if

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-14 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
I can change things but will only do that when all you mathematicians have some agreement about it ... Otared points out that the distinction between \triangle and \bigtriangleup comes from plain TeX. plain.tex has these definitions: \mathchardef\triangle=0234 \mathchardef\bigtriangleup=2234

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-13 Thread Hans Hagen
On 4/13/2014 4:44 AM, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: Otared Kavian ota...@gmail.com writes: The \triangle operator is used for instance in the « symmetric difference » of two subsets Ah, good to learn something about pure mathematics. In my mathematics degree, my tutor said, You are very good at the

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-12 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
Otared Kavian ota...@gmail.com writes: The \triangle operator is used for instance in the « symmetric difference » of two subsets Ah, good to learn something about pure mathematics. In my mathematics degree, my tutor said, You are very good at the applied material, which was not meant as a

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-11 Thread Otared Kavian
Hi, The \triangle operator is used for instance in the « symmetric difference » of two subsets: if $E$ is a set and $A \subset E$, and $B \susbet E$, then one defines \startformula A \triangle B := (A \cup B) \setminus (A \cap B). \stopformula Then the mapping $(A,B) \mapsto A \triangle B$ is a

[NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
I just noticed that the gradient operator (\triangledown) ends up too low when using Palatino: \setupbodyfont[palatino] \starttext $\triangledown T$ \stoptext It seems about 3pt too low. Without the \setupbodyfont[palatino], the placement is fine. (tested with 2013.05.28 and 2014.03.27 betas)

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Jannik Voges
I think you are using the wrong symbol. Or at least I would prefer \nabla as gradient operator. Jannik Am 10.04.2014 um 23:49 schrieb Sanjoy Mahajan san...@mit.edu: I just noticed that the gradient operator (\triangledown) ends up too low when using Palatino: \setupbodyfont[palatino]

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
Jannik, You are right. \nabla looks much nicer and is placed correctly. (I still think the \triangledown placement is slightly off.) My environment files from MkII days have \def\nabla{\triangledown}, so I never tried the true \nabla until your suggestion. Thank you. -Sanjoy Jannik Voges

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 10 Apr 2014, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: Jannik, You are right. \nabla looks much nicer and is placed correctly. (I still think the \triangledown placement is slightly off.) My environment files from MkII days have \def\nabla{\triangledown}, so I never tried the true \nabla until your

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Sanjoy Mahajan
I cannot say whether the wrong placement is due to the wrong font metrics or the wrong mapping (mathop vs mathord) by ConTeXt. I tried '\triangle T' (often used as the Laplacian operator, instead of writing it out as \nabla^2). That one comes out fine, even though \triangledown does not. But

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: I cannot say whether the wrong placement is due to the wrong font metrics or the wrong mapping (mathop vs mathord) by ConTeXt. I tried '\triangle T' (often used as the Laplacian operator, instead of writing it out as \nabla^2). That one comes out

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, Aditya Mahajan wrote: On Fri, 11 Apr 2014, Sanjoy Mahajan wrote: I cannot say whether the wrong placement is due to the wrong font metrics or the wrong mapping (mathop vs mathord) by ConTeXt. I tried '\triangle T' (often used as the Laplacian operator, instead of

Re: [NTG-context] \triangledown placed too low in Palatino

2014-04-10 Thread Mikael P. Sundqvist
Instead of \triangle you should use \Delta for the laplacian (as you should use \nabla for the gradient). Mikael On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Sanjoy Mahajan san...@mit.edu wrote: I cannot say whether the wrong placement is due to the wrong font metrics or the wrong mapping (mathop vs