Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 17 Jun 2016, at 06:20, Alan BRASLAU wrote: > > On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:02:48 +0200 > Hans Åberg wrote: > >> The idea is avoiding clashes between variables and constants, like >> this: >> >> \starttext >> >> \setupmathematics[default=normal] >>

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On Fri, 17 Jun 2016 01:02:48 +0200 Hans Åberg wrote: > The idea is avoiding clashes between variables and constants, like > this: > > \starttext > > \setupmathematics[default=normal] > > $푒 = ∑_{푖=1}^∞ e^{i-푖}$ > > \setupmathematics[default=italic] > > $푒 = ∑_{푖=1}^∞

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 16 Jun 2016, at 23:48, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 6/16/2016 9:15 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> There were no responses from the consortium here, so it means that if one >> should stick to the Unicode model, where the upright styles are unified with >> the Basic Latin and Greek

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 6/16/2016 9:15 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 22:06, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 20:42, Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/15/2016 8:31 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: also, the lack of an upright alphabet in unicode will always make some 'x' in the

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 22:06, Hans Åberg wrote: > >> On 15 May 2016, at 20:42, Hans Hagen wrote: >> >> On 5/15/2016 8:31 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: also, the lack of an upright alphabet in unicode will always make some 'x' in the input either math of

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 16 May 2016, at 11:10, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/16/2016 10:59 AM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> The TeX syntax is too loose to do input that is close to the input. For >> example, in math, if properly parsed, the "{…}” can often be replaced by the >> normal “(…)”, and the the

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/16/2016 10:59 AM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 16 May 2016, at 10:48, Hans Hagen wrote: interesting tex was flexible enough to survive many decades Other survivors are C, C++, Scheme. With TeX, change may start as with Lua, only some better syntax for text input. that

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 16 May 2016, at 10:48, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> interesting tex was flexible enough to survive many decades >> >> Other survivors are C, C++, Scheme. With TeX, change may start as with Lua, >> only some better syntax for text input. > > that always depend on the content; for

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/16/2016 10:27 AM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 16 May 2016, at 01:00, Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/15/2016 11:55 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 23:18, Hans Hagen wrote: but eventually typesetting will become a niche and end up in the arts but i will

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 16 May 2016, at 01:00, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 11:55 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 15 May 2016, at 23:18, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> > but eventually typesetting will become a niche and end up in the arts but > i will probably not live long

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 23:18, Hans Hagen wrote: > >>> but eventually typesetting will become a niche and end up in the arts but i >>> will probably not live long enough to see that happen >> >> From the point of computer language design, TeX is not very good. One of the >>

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/15/2016 10:06 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 20:42, Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/15/2016 8:31 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: there will always be some kind of escape Hopefully from TeX as well. :-) you can use ms word (which has tex like math but with a gui) That falls

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 20:42, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 8:31 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: > >>> there will always be some kind of escape >> >> Hopefully from TeX as well. :-) > > you can use ms word (which has tex like math but with a gui) That falls far short, though there

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/15/2016 8:31 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: there will always be some kind of escape Hopefully from TeX as well. :-) you can use ms word (which has tex like math but with a gui) but eventually typesetting will become a niche and end up in the arts but i will probably not live long enough to

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 20:06, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 7:28 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >>> What do you mean with change by hand ... isn't that what context can do for >>> you? Operate on all those axes ... (\tf is the upright one). There are >>> extensive mapping mechanisms

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 19:59, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 7:42 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: > >>> (where of course we default to default=italic) >> >> Yes, but perhaps another name than “default”. > > well, it is \mathdefault that is used and then gets set ... so default suits

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/15/2016 7:28 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 19:12, Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/15/2016 6:36 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 16:44, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics Here is another variation:

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/15/2016 7:42 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: (where of course we default to default=italic) Yes, but perhaps another name than “default”. well, it is \mathdefault that is used and then gets set ... so default suits well (something latin in the name just sounds weird) i have no problem adding

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 15:37, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/14/2016 7:11 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> In order to align with Unicode, \setupmathematics might have Latin shape >> options, as the Greek ‘lcgreek’ and ‘ucgreek', say ‘lclatin' and ‘uclatin', >> both defaulting to ’italic’.

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 19:08, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 4:28 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 15 May 2016, at 15:37, Hans Hagen wrote: >>> >>> On 5/14/2016 7:11 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: In order to align with Unicode, \setupmathematics might have Latin

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 19:12, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/15/2016 6:36 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> >>> On 15 May 2016, at 16:44, Wolfgang Schuster >>> wrote: >>> >>> \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics >> >> Here is another variation: using the

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/15/2016 6:36 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 16:44, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics Here is another variation: using the sans-serif math styles, combining with the suggestion in the “Nolimits” thread. It would save

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/15/2016 4:28 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: On 15 May 2016, at 15:37, Hans Hagen wrote: On 5/14/2016 7:11 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: In order to align with Unicode, \setupmathematics might have Latin shape options, as the Greek ‘lcgreek’ and ‘ucgreek', say ‘lclatin' and ‘uclatin',

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 16:44, Wolfgang Schuster > wrote: > > \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics Here is another variation: using the sans-serif math styles, combining with the suggestion in the “Nolimits” thread. It would save the effort having to change all

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 16:44, Wolfgang Schuster > wrote: > > \appendtoks \rm \to \everymathematics This does the trick. Here more carefully composed example, showing how tricky it is to use currently: \setupbodyfont[xits,10pt] \startformula \startalign I &=

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

Hans Åberg 15. Mai 2016 um 16:28 Traditionally constants are set in upright and variables in italic. So constants like “log” etc., are set in upright. It is not used rigorously because of past typographical limitations, but one might in principle do that, cf. the

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

> On 15 May 2016, at 15:37, Hans Hagen wrote: > > On 5/14/2016 7:11 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: >> In order to align with Unicode, \setupmathematics might have Latin shape >> options, as the Greek ‘lcgreek’ and ‘ucgreek', say ‘lclatin' and ‘uclatin', >> both defaulting to ’italic’.

Re: [NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

On 5/14/2016 7:11 PM, Hans Åberg wrote: In order to align with Unicode, \setupmathematics might have Latin shape options, as the Greek ‘lcgreek’ and ‘ucgreek', say ‘lclatin' and ‘uclatin', both defaulting to ’italic’. Unicode added the Latin italic symbols to the Math Alphanumeric Symbols

[NTG-context] Latin setupmathematics

In order to align with Unicode, \setupmathematics might have Latin shape options, as the Greek ‘lcgreek’ and ‘ucgreek', say ‘lclatin' and ‘uclatin', both defaulting to ’italic’. Unicode added the Latin italic symbols to the Math Alphanumeric Symbols range, so the upright letters are