Hello Otared,
Thanks for the answer (I should have known the results depended on the
actual configuration :-)
Arthur
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Hi Arthur,
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:29:00 -0600, Arthur Reutenauer
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Thanks for the answer (I should have known the results depended on the
actual configuration :-)
Get SC unipad and type identical logical input in Arabic and Farsi modes.
The makers of Unipad are
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 09:22:58AM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
Hi Arthur,
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:29:00 -0600, Arthur Reutenauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks for the answer (I should have known the results depended on the
actual configuration :-)
Get SC unipad and type
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:44:19 -0600, Khaled Hosny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Get SC unipad and type identical logical input in Arabic and Farsi
modes.
The makers of Unipad are Iranian and they implement both Arabic and
Farsi
rules correctly, have keyboards etc. AFAIK, no other editor
On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 01:50:35PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:44:19 -0600, Khaled Hosny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Get SC unipad and type identical logical input in Arabic and Farsi
modes.
The makers of Unipad are Iranian and they implement both Arabic and
On 10 juin 08, at 23:30, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
[…]
Maybe people on the list from Arabic-speaking countries, Israel or
Iran can tell us more (in
particular, what do one type on a standard keyboard to input an
opening
bracket?).
Arthur
Hi Arthur,
Sorry for answering to this
On Sun, Jun 15, 2008 at 03:42:30PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:32:40 -0600, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
currently there is no reset command but you can say
\setcharactermirroring[-1]
since -1 resets an attribute
I tried that, but the result is the
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 07:34:03PM -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
Hi Khaled,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:52:27 -0600, Khaled Hosny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
experimental in the beta
\setcharactermirroring[1]
It does work perfectly with unidirectional texts (RTL or LTR), but when
mixing
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
Hi Khaled,
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 15:52:27 -0600, Khaled Hosny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
experimental in the beta
\setcharactermirroring[1]
It does work perfectly with unidirectional texts (RTL or LTR), but when
mixing bi-directional text, like Arabic text
Khaled Hosny wrote:
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:08:09PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Khaled Hosny wrote:
Luatex does not mirror characters that has a Bidi_Mirrored property when
the text direction is set to RTL (TRT in Aleph), according to
http://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Mirroring, the different
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:32:40 -0600, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\setcharactermirroring[0,1] works in both uni- and bi-directional text
-- note that each bracketpair is inside of its respective directional
context.
i wonder what gives you the impression that you can use 0.1 as
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:32:40 -0600, Hans Hagen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
\setcharactermirroring[0,1] works in both uni- and bi-directional text
-- note that each bracketpair is inside of its respective directional
context.
i wonder what gives you the impression that
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:08:09PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Khaled Hosny wrote:
Luatex does not mirror characters that has a Bidi_Mirrored property when
the text direction is set to RTL (TRT in Aleph), according to
http://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Mirroring, the different types of
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
Granted. The main point is that we have to reinterpret bidi in way that
fits with TeX's/ConTeXt's needs, idiosyncracies, etc I don't believe
we need to treat the unicode bidi algorithm as canonical.
i think that we should stick to things that make sense; with
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
This issue needs to be looked at in the larger context of bidi in luatex.
For example, we need a flexible model to implement Bidirectional Character
Types. For example, we need an option that will recognize certain
character-types as RL and switch directions
if for instance ( ) are officially not symbols but open/close thingies,
then we need to deal with them
Yes, they are. That's what the Bidi_Mirrored property is for.
(although i then wonder why we have no
proper open/close code point for them instead of
Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
if for instance ( ) are officially not symbols but open/close thingies,
then we need to deal with them
Yes, they are. That's what the Bidi_Mirrored property is for.
(although i then wonder why we have no
proper open/close code
btw is there a reason why in bidi arabic r-l is tagged 'al' and not 'r'?
Arabic Letter. Basic right-to-left characters have type R.
Arthur
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Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
btw is there a reason why in bidi arabic r-l is tagged 'al' and not 'r'?
Arabic Letter. Basic right-to-left characters have type R.
do you have any idea why is arab treated special?
-
sure but originally they were in ascii just ( and ) and not some generic
opener and closer
I did not mean ASCII ... in the 8-bit encodings for Arabic that built
over ASCII (ISO 8859-6, Windows-1256, etc.) there also was a single
couple of parentheses, and I don't think they had a different
do you have any idea why is arab treated special?
Arabic letters behave differently from Hebrew, Thaana, etc. in
particular in the vicinity of European digits. But the difference is
quite minute.
Arthur
Hello,
Is this a bug, feature, or am I missing
some thing?
You're not missing anything, it's kind of a misfeature because the
Bidi_Mirrored property is not taken in account by ConTeXt (yet).
Happily enough, it's one of the things I'm sponsored by
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 05:20:23PM +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:
Arthur Reutenauer wrote:
Hello,
Is this a bug, feature, or am I missing
some thing?
You're not missing anything, it's kind of a misfeature because the
Bidi_Mirrored property is not
Khaled Hosny wrote:
Luatex does not mirror characters that has a Bidi_Mirrored property when
the text direction is set to RTL (TRT in Aleph), according to
http://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Mirroring, the different types of
parenthesis that has Bidi_Mirrored property should be mirreored in RTL
Hi Khaled,
On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 19:21:28 -0600, Khaled Hosny [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Luatex does not mirror characters that has a Bidi_Mirrored property when
the text direction is set to RTL (TRT in Aleph), according to
http://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Mirroring, the different types of
Also, we need not be too slavish: The Yudit author has pointed out areas
where the bidi algorithm makes no sense or is deficient:
http://www.yudit.org/bidi/surprise.html
To be honest, this page dates back to half a dozen years ago and
reflects Gáspár Sinai's positions at that time; there
Hi,
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:36:00 -0600, Arthur Reutenauer
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, we need not be too slavish: The Yudit author has pointed out areas
where the bidi algorithm makes no sense or is deficient:
http://www.yudit.org/bidi/surprise.html
To be honest, this page dates
Luatex does not mirror characters that has a Bidi_Mirrored property when
the text direction is set to RTL (TRT in Aleph), according to
http://unicode.org/reports/tr9/#Mirroring, the different types of
parenthesis that has Bidi_Mirrored property should be mirreored in RTL
mode, but this isn't what
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