Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-15 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 15.05.2009 um 01:48 schrieb luigi scarso: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: when i convert the to TT format i get a correct output yes, but there is also an original ttf version -- they works ok , of course. you wrote this

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.05.2009 um 17:51 schrieb luigi scarso: I have not look at simplefonts as I want -- I planned to use it for an article on felltypes for arstexnica You fixed the problem with the felltype

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
luigi scarso wrote: $pdffonts felltype.pdf name type emb sub uni object ID - --- --- --- - PDPWHW+LMRoman12-Regular CID Type 0C yes yes yes 4 0

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: luigi scarso wrote: $pdffonts felltype.pdf name type emb sub uni object ID - --- --- --- -

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
luigi scarso wrote: So I don't understand how OO transform this opentype in a Type1 , I guess that that is not hard when a document uses no more than 256 glyphs from the font. yes, a sort of creation of font encodings at fly for more than 256 glyphs -- but why ? Maybe

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: luigi scarso wrote: So I don't understand how OO transform this opentype in a Type1 , I guess that that is not hard when a document uses no more than 256 glyphs from the font. yes, a sort of

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
luigi scarso wrote: And aren't we able to do the same trick -- even with a lots of unreadable macros -- in luatex ? No, it needs engine support which is not present. Fastest solution: open the font in fontforge and fix the units, save under a different name, and use that font instead. Best

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: luigi scarso wrote: And aren't we able to do the same trick -- even with a lots of unreadable macros -- in luatex ? No, it needs engine support which is not present. Fastest solution: open the font in fontforge

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 14.05.2009 um 12:12 schrieb luigi scarso: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: No, it needs engine support which is not present. Fastest solution: open the font in fontforge and fix the units, save under a different name, and use that font instead.

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
arthur told me that can arise rounding errors. You have to remember I used to be a mathematician. I say things that are meant to be true, not meant to be helpful :-) If you want to be sure that LuaTeX's output looks right in the most recent versions of Adobe Reader, editing the font is the

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
when i convert the to TT format i get a correct output If Luigi is concerned with rounding errors, he shouldn't do that: while the coordinates of the points on the curve wouldn't change, all the control points would need to be recalculated due to the conversion from cubic to quadratic splines.

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Arthur Reutenauer wrote: when i convert the to TT format i get a correct output If Luigi is concerned with rounding errors, he shouldn't do that: while the coordinates of the points on the curve wouldn't change, all the control points would need to be recalculated due to the conversion

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Khaled Hosny
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:03:10AM +0200, luigi scarso wrote: $pdffonts felltype.pdf name      type  emb sub uni object ID - --- --- --- - PDPWHW+LMRoman12-Regular CID Type 0C  

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Rounding errors are not that important in this case, and there are downsides to both (o3-o2 touches *only* control points, so in some sense it is more precise than upm change). True, you can see it that way, too. We really need Karel Píška here :-)

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread Arthur Reutenauer
Not only OOo, InDesign does that too, moreover, someone said even if LuaTeX (XeTeX too) output looked OK in Adobe reader 7, the print isn't OK. On what printer? It's probably a bug in the driver, too. LuaTeX does exactly according to specification, I discussed this strategy with Taco years

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Arthur Reutenauer arthur.reutena...@normalesup.org wrote: arthur told me that can arise rounding errors. You have to remember I used to be a mathematician. I say things that are meant to be true, not meant to be helpful :-) If you want to be sure that

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-14 Thread luigi scarso
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 14.05.2009 um 12:12 schrieb luigi scarso: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Taco Hoekwater t...@elvenkind.com wrote: No, it needs engine support which is not present. Fastest solution: open

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread luigi scarso
As a reference, I start from http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2008/talks/2008-08-24-taco-typescripts/liberation.tex Also http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf and http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-typography.pdf and look into

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
afsmith wrote: Hi ntg-context. I'm very confused about accomplishing something that to me seems as though it should be quite simple, but has proven for weeks of occasional attempts to be very confusing. I'm finding existing information from the contextgarden wiki and ntg-context archives to be

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 13.05.2009 um 15:29 schrieb luigi scarso: As a reference, I start from http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2008/talks/2008-08-24-taco-typescripts/liberation.tex Also http://context.aanhet.net/svn/contextman/context-reference/en/co-fonts.pdf and

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.05.2009 um 15:29 schrieb luigi scarso: As a reference, I start from http://meeting.contextgarden.net/2008/talks/2008-08-24-taco-typescripts/liberation.tex Also

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 13.05.2009 um 16:48 schrieb luigi scarso: There is also a simpler way: http://bitbucket.org/wolfs/ simplefonts/ :) still no arrived there. I'm sorry but what do you mean? Wolfgang ___ If your question

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread luigi scarso
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster schuster.wolfg...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 13.05.2009 um 16:48 schrieb luigi scarso: There is also a simpler way: http://bitbucket.org/wolfs/simplefonts/ :) still no arrived there. I'm sorry but what do you mean? ah ,bad english

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 13.05.2009 um 17:51 schrieb luigi scarso: I have not look at simplefonts as I want -- I planned to use it for an article on felltypes for arstexnica You fixed the problem with the felltype fonts? Wolfgang

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread afsmith
Luigi, Hans, and Wolfgang, thank you for your responses. I'm still unclear on several things. (comments on your responses follow afterwards) Let me try asking these things as questions. Specifically, could someone please tell me... 1. How do I determine whether I am using MKII, MKIV, or XeTeX to

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Hans Hagen
afsmith wrote: Luigi, Hans, and Wolfgang, thank you for your responses. I'm still unclear on several things. (comments on your responses follow afterwards) Let me try asking these things as questions. Specifically, could someone please tell me... 1. How do I determine whether I am using MKII,

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 13.05.2009 um 18:31 schrieb afsmith: Wolfgang, Currently the module you linked to (http://bitbucket.org/wolfs/simplefonts/) is beyond my understanding... I would first like to understand the mechanism your module operates on before trying to automate it. My module simplifies the use of

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Aditya Mahajan
On Wed, 13 May 2009, afsmith wrote: Luigi, Hans, and Wolfgang, thank you for your responses. I'm still unclear on several things. (comments on your responses follow afterwards) Let me try asking these things as questions. Specifically, could someone please tell me... 1. How do I determine

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Wolfgang Schuster
Am 13.05.2009 um 22:23 schrieb Aditya Mahajan: On Wed, 13 May 2009, afsmith wrote: Let me try asking these things as questions. Specifically, could someone please tell me... 1. How do I determine whether I am using MKII, MKIV, or XeTeX to process my documents? Depends on how you process

Re: [NTG-context] MKIV, fonts, confusion

2009-05-13 Thread Mohamed Bana
if you don't require anything completex http://github.com/contextgarden/otfinstall/tree/master automates a lot of the tasks required in installing a font in mkii. afsmith wrote: Luigi, Hans, and Wolfgang, thank you for your responses. I'm still unclear on several things. (comments on your