Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-29 Thread Denis Maier via ntg-context 
> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: ntg-context  Im Auftrag von Henning
> Hraban Ramm via ntg-context
> Gesendet: Samstag, 26. März 2022 18:04
> An: Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context 
> Cc: Henning Hraban Ramm 
> Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography
> 
> Am 26.03.22 um 14:51 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context:
> >
> >
> >> On 26. Mar 2022, at 14:04, A A via ntg-context 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The next question I guess is whether ConTeXt support other specs like
> MLA or Chicago style. I tried MLA but without sucess. Is MLA possible in
> ConTeXt?
> >
> > One (admittedly far-fetched) possibility would be to read the
> documentation. mkiv-publications, p. 29: context supports apa and aps styles
> for the moment; contributions are always welcome.
> 
> There’s also Joey McCollum’s SBL style: github.com/jjmccollum/context-sb

Which leads to the question: Could Joey's style be added to distribution?

Also, Joey has posted a wishlish regarding context's bibliographic features: 
https://www.mail-archive.com/ntg-context@ntg.nl/msg100712.html

Maybe we should resume that thread again...

Best,
Denis
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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-27 Thread Jean-Pierre Delange via ntg-context 

Hi Amine,

There are several ways to achieve a bibliography. The first one is your 
way, with a buffer, which you have to name it (see below : the buffer is 
named 'biblio')  : you put your references to books and articles between 
the 2 commands \startbuffer and \stopbuffer as the model shows hereafter 
(with the APA style). If you want to print a general and simple 
bibliography, you need a double command :\usebtxdataset[/any title you 
choose/][biblio.buffer] and \definebtxrendering[/any 
title/][apa][dataset=/any title/] after \stopbuffer. At the end of the 
text, you need to define the place where you want to print the 
bibliography. For that purpose :


\starttext

\startbackmatter

\startchapter[title={Bibliography}]

\placelistofpublications[/any title/] [method=local]

\stopchapter

\stopbackmatter

\stoptext

/But, as far as I know, this method is boring/, because you need to 
write all you bibliographical sources in the buffer. The better is to 
build a separate bibtex file with such a software as JabRef (which is a 
kind of bibtex tool). This bibtex file is in your ConTeXt repository and 
you need only to call the name of your bibtex item. For instance, the 
book /Natural Right and History/ of Leo Strauss becomes 'Strauss,1952' 
(with JabRef) and if you cite this book in your text (like this : 
\cite[alternative=entry][/any title/::Strauss1952]}, you can find the 
item at the 'S' letter. Indeed, there is some work to do (feed your 
bitex file with items...), but when it is done once, it is forever (I 
guess ...). I give you a MWE as an attached file ...


Hope it helps !

JP

[/here is the beginning of a buffer sample /]

\startbuffer[biblio]

@book{Cicéron1,

author = {Cicéron},

title = {Tusculanes, V, 8},

}


@INCOLLECTION{Leibniz1885,

author = {Leibniz, G. W.},

title = {Principes de la nature et de la grâce fondés en raison, 1714},

title:en = {Principles of Nature and Grace Founded in Reason},

booktitle = {\de Die Philosophischen Schriften von Gottfried Wilhelm 
Leibniz},


booktitle:en = {The Philosophical Writings of Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz},

editor = {Gerhardt, C. G.},

publisher = {Weidmann},

year = {1885},

volume = {6},

chapter = {8},

pages = {598–606},

address = {Berlin},

language = {french},

}


@book{Rousseau1755,

author ={Rousseau, Jean-Jacques}

title = {Discours sur l’Origine et les Fondements de l’Inégalité parmi 
les Hommes.},


year = {1755},

}


@book{Rousseau1750,

author ={Rousseau, Jean-Jacques}

title = {Discours sur les Sciences et les Arts},

year = {1750},

}


@book{Rousseau1762,

author = {Rousseau, Jean-Jacques},

title = {Émile},

year = {1762},

}

\stopbuffer



Le 26/03/2022 à 13:25, A A via ntg-context a écrit :

Hi All,

I'm trying to get a simple bibliography to work with ConTeXt. Here's 
what I have so far:


*test.tex*
*
*
\usebtxdataset[bibliography.bib]

\starttext

  \startbodymatter
    See \cite[proofwiki]
  \stopbodymatter

  \startbackmatter
    \startsection[title=Bibliography]
    \stopsection
  \stopbackmatter
\stoptext
*
*
*bibliography.bib*
*
*
@misc{
  proofwiki,
  title={{Definition:Collation - ProofWiki}},
  author={{ProofWiki}},
  howpublished={
    \href{https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Definition:Collation}{link 
}

  },
  journal={{ProofWiki}},
  year={2021}
}

When I compile test.tex it generates a pdf, but the citation is not 
included in the body matter. Also the actual reference is not present 
in Bibliography.


What am I doing wrong?

Regards,

Amine
*
*

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Ancients
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\startbuffer[biblio]

@book{Cicéron1,
author = {Cicéron},
title = {Tusculanes, V, 8},
}


@INCOLLECTION{Leibniz1885,
author = {Leibniz, G. W.},
title = {Principes de la nature et de la grâce fondés en raison, 1714},
title:en = {Principles of Nature and Grace Founded in Reason},
booktitle = {\de Die Philosophischen Schriften von Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz},
booktitle:en = {The Philosophical Writings of Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz},
editor = {Gerhardt, C. G.},
publisher = {Weidmann},
year = {1885},
volume = {6},
chapter = {8},
pages = {598–606},
address = {Berlin},
language = {french},
}

@book{Rousseau1755,
author ={Rousseau, Jean-Jacques}
title = {Discours sur l’Origine et les Fondements de l’Inégalité parmi les Hommes.},
year = {1755},
}

@book{Rousseau1750,
author ={Rousseau, Jean-Jacques}
title = {Discours sur les Sciences et les Arts},
  year = {1750},
}

Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context 

Am 26.03.22 um 14:51 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context:




On 26. Mar 2022, at 14:04, A A via ntg-context  wrote:

The next question I guess is whether ConTeXt support other specs like MLA or 
Chicago style. I tried MLA but without sucess. Is MLA possible in ConTeXt?


One (admittedly far-fetched) possibility would be to read the documentation. 
mkiv-publications, p. 29: context supports apa and aps styles for the moment; 
contributions are always welcome.


There’s also Joey McCollum’s SBL style: github.com/jjmccollum/context-sb

Hraban
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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context 


> On 26. Mar 2022, at 16:42, Denis Maier via ntg-context  
> wrote:
> 
> I think you've done that already ...

Oh my goodness, I’m getting too old for this… Thanks for pointing that out!

[Historical context: the Greek scholar Didymus had several nicknames. One was 
Chalcenterus “Bronze-Guts” because he could remain seated at his desk for hours 
without moving. The other was “bibliolathas” “Book-forgetter” because he wrote 
so many books he couldn’t remember them himself. End of historical context]

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread Denis Maier via ntg-context 
I think you've done that already ...




Von: ntg-context  im Auftrag von Thomas A. Schmitz 
via ntg-context 
Gesendet: Samstag, 26. März 2022 16:37:03
An: mailing list for ConTeXt users
Cc: Thomas A. Schmitz
Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

Hi Amine,

The bibliography subsystem is rather complex, and Alan, who has worked with 
Hans on support for APS and APA, wants to do things the right way, which means 
he wants to code for all corner cases. From my own experience: it is difficult 
to just copy and modify the existing publ-imp-XXX files; they define a number 
of clever macros that allow code reuse and consistency, but are not the most 
straightforward way for a non-programmer (like myself) to proceed. I have found 
it easier to start from scratch by writing my own publ-imp-custom.{mkiv,lua} 
files and then add whatever I need, one entry type at a time. That also allows 
you to understand the ways in which the system works. But of course, it’s less 
convenient than just changing APA to MLA, as you can in biblatex. ConTeXt has a 
much smaller user base, so we take somewhat longer. Maybe I should add a wiki 
article on a basic way to start one’s own custom definitions...

Best

Thomas

> On 26. Mar 2022, at 15:34, A A via ntg-context  wrote:
>
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Yes, I was able to find the appropriate section in the manual, thanks. Please 
> see my answer at SE.
>
> I don't think reading the docs is far-fetched by the way. But I think asking 
> on here is also fine.
>
> I'll consider making a contribution once I get a better grip of how the 
> ConTeXt system is put together.
>
> Again thanks for your response.
>
> Regards,
>
> Amine

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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context 
Hi Amine,

The bibliography subsystem is rather complex, and Alan, who has worked with 
Hans on support for APS and APA, wants to do things the right way, which means 
he wants to code for all corner cases. From my own experience: it is difficult 
to just copy and modify the existing publ-imp-XXX files; they define a number 
of clever macros that allow code reuse and consistency, but are not the most 
straightforward way for a non-programmer (like myself) to proceed. I have found 
it easier to start from scratch by writing my own publ-imp-custom.{mkiv,lua} 
files and then add whatever I need, one entry type at a time. That also allows 
you to understand the ways in which the system works. But of course, it’s less 
convenient than just changing APA to MLA, as you can in biblatex. ConTeXt has a 
much smaller user base, so we take somewhat longer. Maybe I should add a wiki 
article on a basic way to start one’s own custom definitions...

Best

Thomas

> On 26. Mar 2022, at 15:34, A A via ntg-context  wrote:
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Yes, I was able to find the appropriate section in the manual, thanks. Please 
> see my answer at SE. 
> 
> I don't think reading the docs is far-fetched by the way. But I think asking 
> on here is also fine.
> 
> I'll consider making a contribution once I get a better grip of how the 
> ConTeXt system is put together.
> 
> Again thanks for your response.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Amine

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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread A A via ntg-context 
Hi Thomas,

Yes, I was able to find the appropriate section in the manual, thanks.
Please see my answer at SE

.

I don't think reading the docs is far-fetched by the way. But I think
asking on here is also fine.

I'll consider making a contribution once I get a better grip of how the
ConTeXt system is put together.

Again thanks for your response.

Regards,

Amine

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 at 14:52, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context <
ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

>
>
> > On 26. Mar 2022, at 14:04, A A via ntg-context 
> wrote:
> >
> > The next question I guess is whether ConTeXt support other specs like
> MLA or Chicago style. I tried MLA but without sucess. Is MLA possible in
> ConTeXt?
>
> One (admittedly far-fetched) possibility would be to read the
> documentation. mkiv-publications, p. 29: context supports apa and aps
> styles for the moment; contributions are always welcome.
>
> Thomas
>
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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context 


> On 26. Mar 2022, at 14:04, A A via ntg-context  wrote:
> 
> The next question I guess is whether ConTeXt support other specs like MLA or 
> Chicago style. I tried MLA but without sucess. Is MLA possible in ConTeXt?

One (admittedly far-fetched) possibility would be to read the documentation. 
mkiv-publications, p. 29: context supports apa and aps styles for the moment; 
contributions are always welcome.

Thomas
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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread A A via ntg-context 
I found the problem. I was not including the following in my preamble:

\usebtxdefinitions[aps]

The next question I guess is whether ConTeXt support other specs like MLA
or Chicago style. I tried MLA but without sucess. Is MLA possible in
ConTeXt?

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 at 13:48, A A  wrote:

> In my previous email I forgot to include the \placelistofpublications
> command. I tried that and now I'm getting a citation, but the bibliography
> entry is not correctly typeset...
>
> On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 at 13:25, A A  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm trying to get a simple bibliography to work with ConTeXt. Here's what
>> I have so far:
>>
>> *test.tex*
>>
>> \usebtxdataset[bibliography.bib]
>>
>> \starttext
>>
>>   \startbodymatter
>> See \cite[proofwiki]
>>   \stopbodymatter
>>
>>   \startbackmatter
>> \startsection[title=Bibliography]
>> \stopsection
>>   \stopbackmatter
>> \stoptext
>>
>> *bibliography.bib*
>>
>> @misc{
>>   proofwiki,
>>   title={{Definition:Collation - ProofWiki}},
>>   author={{ProofWiki}},
>>   howpublished={
>> \href{https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Definition:Collation}{link}
>>   },
>>   journal={{ProofWiki}},
>>   year={2021}
>> }
>>
>> When I compile test.tex it generates a pdf, but the citation is not
>> included in the body matter. Also the actual reference is not present in
>> Bibliography.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Amine
>>
>>
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Re: [NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread A A via ntg-context 
In my previous email I forgot to include the \placelistofpublications
command. I tried that and now I'm getting a citation, but the bibliography
entry is not correctly typeset...

On Sat, 26 Mar 2022 at 13:25, A A  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm trying to get a simple bibliography to work with ConTeXt. Here's what
> I have so far:
>
> *test.tex*
>
> \usebtxdataset[bibliography.bib]
>
> \starttext
>
>   \startbodymatter
> See \cite[proofwiki]
>   \stopbodymatter
>
>   \startbackmatter
> \startsection[title=Bibliography]
> \stopsection
>   \stopbackmatter
> \stoptext
>
> *bibliography.bib*
>
> @misc{
>   proofwiki,
>   title={{Definition:Collation - ProofWiki}},
>   author={{ProofWiki}},
>   howpublished={
> \href{https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Definition:Collation}{link}
>   },
>   journal={{ProofWiki}},
>   year={2021}
> }
>
> When I compile test.tex it generates a pdf, but the citation is not
> included in the body matter. Also the actual reference is not present in
> Bibliography.
>
> What am I doing wrong?
>
> Regards,
>
> Amine
>
>
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[NTG-context] Trying to get a simple bibliography

2022-03-26 Thread A A via ntg-context 
Hi All,

I'm trying to get a simple bibliography to work with ConTeXt. Here's what I
have so far:

*test.tex*

\usebtxdataset[bibliography.bib]

\starttext

  \startbodymatter
See \cite[proofwiki]
  \stopbodymatter

  \startbackmatter
\startsection[title=Bibliography]
\stopsection
  \stopbackmatter
\stoptext

*bibliography.bib*

@misc{
  proofwiki,
  title={{Definition:Collation - ProofWiki}},
  author={{ProofWiki}},
  howpublished={
\href{https://proofwiki.org/wiki/Definition:Collation}{link}
  },
  journal={{ProofWiki}},
  year={2021}
}

When I compile test.tex it generates a pdf, but the citation is not
included in the body matter. Also the actual reference is not present in
Bibliography.

What am I doing wrong?

Regards,

Amine
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