Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

> Am 16.06.2017 um 12:54 schrieb Mojca Miklavec 
> :
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 15:08, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>> 
>> Okay. Does that mean that there is not yet a version for MacOS? If I am 
>> right I cannot find files for MacOS at your link above. Then I will wait and 
>> typeset my files on Windows until the new version is released.
> 
> Please try to update the ConTeXt distribution now.
> 

Everything works fine now. LuaTeX 1.05.0 is now contained in the downloaded 
distribution and primes are working fine again! Many thanks to Hans and you!

Mathias

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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 15 June 2017 at 15:08, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>
> Okay. Does that mean that there is not yet a version for MacOS? If I am right 
> I cannot find files for MacOS at your link above. Then I will wait and 
> typeset my files on Windows until the new version is released.

Please try to update the ConTeXt distribution now.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[luigi scarso]

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:48 PM, Mojca Miklavec
 wrote:
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>>>
 So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the
 source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it?
>>
>> Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be
>> binaries.
>
> You can fetch it from here:
> http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/
> (those binaries should end up in minimals very soon).
>
> But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on
> existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated
> timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the
> problem.
I have cross compiled latest trunk for osx without problem,
it's not a problem with timestamps.
Be sure to have freetype-config icu-config, as I have said several
times they are prerequisite for the
configure machinery (not for luatex itself).



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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

> Am 15.06.2017 um 13:48 schrieb Mojca Miklavec 
> :
> 
> On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote:
>> On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>>> 
 So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the
 source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it?
>> 
>> Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be
>> binaries.
> 
> You can fetch it from here:
>http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/
> (those binaries should end up in minimals very soon).
> 
> But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on
> existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated
> timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the
> problem.

Okay. Does that mean that there is not yet a version for MacOS? If I am right I 
cannot find files for MacOS at your link above. Then I will wait and typeset my 
files on Windows until the new version is released.

Mathias


> But aside from that. If you (developers, not users) want to call one
> version of LuaTeX 1.05, you should tag a version 1.05.
> 
> Increasing the version numbers in trunk and skipping any official
> releases is a pretty bad development practice.
> 
> Usually you would put experimental features to trunk and whatever you
> want to end up at users to tags or potentially stable maintained
> branches that get bugfixes.
> 
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/15/2017 1:48 PM, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:



So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the
source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it?


Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be
binaries.


You can fetch it from here:
 http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/
(those binaries should end up in minimals very soon).

But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on
existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated
timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the
problem.


i'm somewhat puzzled by timestamps as i can compile here on my machine 
(which has a rather limited linux box)



But aside from that. If you (developers, not users) want to call one
version of LuaTeX 1.05, you should tag a version 1.05.


well, maybe, but then we end up with lots of small-step version numbers 
which is not what we like (in fact, a tag is ok for tex live but we 
might want to test a precursor on the garden with context first as we 
can fix context issues quite fast)



Increasing the version numbers in trunk and skipping any official
releases is a pretty bad development practice.

Usually you would put experimental features to trunk and whatever you
want to end up at users to tags or potentially stable maintained
branches that get bugfixes.
we use trunk (and therefore the garden) for testing too, so it's okay 
wrt version numbers (if needed we can distinguish builds with 
status.develooment_id) and we can at some point also use the revision 
number (which in the past was not used properly) .. also, normally a 
garden beta (+bins) is a working combination


anyway, once the bot works ok we can hapilly move forward

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mojca Miklavec]

On 15 June 2017 at 13:39, Hans Hagen wrote:
> On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>>
>>> So I am simply asking: How can I use older betas or how can I get the
>>> source of LuaTeX 1.05 on a Mac and compile it?
>
> Mojca is setting up the build bots so one of these days there will be
> binaries.

You can fetch it from here:
http://dl.contextgarden.net/build/luatex/
(those binaries should end up in minimals very soon).

But on Mac we are currently experiencing some build problems on
existing machines, most likely due to some problems with outdated
timestamps of generated files. I'm waiting for Luigi to fix the
problem.

But aside from that. If you (developers, not users) want to call one
version of LuaTeX 1.05, you should tag a version 1.05.

Increasing the version numbers in trunk and skipping any official
releases is a pretty bad development practice.

Usually you would put experimental features to trunk and whatever you
want to end up at users to tags or potentially stable maintained
branches that get bugfixes.

Mojca
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/15/2017 12:05 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
Am 12.06.2017 um 15:53 schrieb Mathias Schickel 
>:


Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately


1) get the files

svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn
https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/


does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which 
command I need to use at MacOS (current version)?


Can someone tell me how I can download the source of LuaTeX 1.0.5 and 
compile it on MacOS? Mikael wrote me instructions for Linux that did not 
work for MacOS. Thanks in advance!


/Mathias

PS: In the meantime I have read the thread 
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html and seen 
that LuaTeX 1.0.5 is contained in the garden version on Windows. On my 
Windows machine everything regarding primes works really fine. Since 
LuaTeX 1.0.5 is not yet contained in the MacOS version I get the 
described bugs there. Does someone know when will LuaTeX 1.0.5 be 
officially released for MacOS?



2) compile:

step into the folder experimental and run build.sh

3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found

I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work.

Good luck!

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Am 12.06.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Mathias Schickel 
>:




Am 12.06.2017 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen >:


On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting 
something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to 
a mess that i then need to maintain without any gain

At first: Thank you very much for your work!
so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases 
and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different 
setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a 
long term no-go)
But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special 
or hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX 
version that is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The 
primes are not rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out.
As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which 
seems to be terminated September this year. But until then the 
output of primes will be not correct. I have no possibility to 
switch back to the current (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because 
this version contains the bugs with primes you have already resolved.


there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other 
reasons) but Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm




Okay, that would be great. But could you tell me how I can get the 
files and compile them? Mikael did write me instructions that work for 
Linux, but I am on MacOS. My problem would be solved if I could get 
the source and compile LuaTeX 1.05 on my own on MacOS. :-)


This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will 
be released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 
on my own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks 
ago) did solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am 
referring to rose up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, 
this is because you introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. 
This is very nice, but because this version is not yet released, 
this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt unusable 
until this release (if you need primes).
So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a 
version that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of 
ConTeXt (or alternatively it would be nice if instructions are 
provided to compile the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be 
used simply).


then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations 
in those versions


How can I get the beta of last week or the week before? In those betas 
you have not yet included the new code (for use with LuaTeX 1.05) and 
everything worked really fine. The --context=current garden version 
has several bugs regarding primes you have solved in the mentioned 
betas. So it would make no sense at all to use this version. I would 
need one of the older betas or the most recent one with LuaTeX 1.05.




And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special 
fonts of hybrid 

Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

> Am 12.06.2017 um 15:53 schrieb Mathias Schickel :
> 
> Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately
> 
>> 1) get the files
>> 
>> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn
>> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ 
>> 
> does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which command 
> I need to use at MacOS (current version)?

Can someone tell me how I can download the source of LuaTeX 1.0.5 and compile 
it on MacOS? Mikael wrote me instructions for Linux that did not work for 
MacOS. Thanks in advance!

/Mathias

PS: In the meantime I have read the thread 
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html 
 and seen that 
LuaTeX 1.0.5 is contained in the garden version on Windows. On my Windows 
machine everything regarding primes works really fine. Since LuaTeX 1.0.5 is 
not yet contained in the MacOS version I get the described bugs there. Does 
someone know when will LuaTeX 1.0.5 be officially released for MacOS?

> 2) compile:
> 
> step into the folder experimental and run build.sh
> 
> 3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found
> 
> I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> /Mikael
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> Am 12.06.2017 um 17:50 schrieb Mathias Schickel :
> 
>> 
>> Am 12.06.2017 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen > >:
>> 
>> On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
 the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something 
 to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i 
 then need to maintain without any gain
>>> At first: Thank you very much for your work!
 so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not 
 some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of 
 tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go)
>>> But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or 
>>> hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version 
>>> that is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The primes are not 
>>> rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out.
>>> As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to be 
>>> terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes will be 
>>> not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current (non-beta) 
>>> version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs with primes you 
>>> have already resolved.
>> 
>> there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other reasons) 
>> but Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm
>> 
> 
> Okay, that would be great. But could you tell me how I can get the files and 
> compile them? Mikael did write me instructions that work for Linux, but I am 
> on MacOS. My problem would be solved if I could get the source and compile 
> LuaTeX 1.05 on my own on MacOS. :-)
> 
>>> This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be 
>>> released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my own. 
>>> Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did solve all 
>>> problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose up in the 
>>> most recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you introduced new 
>>> code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but because this version 
>>> is not yet released, this decision is questionable, since this makes 
>>> ConTeXt unusable until this release (if you need primes).
>>> So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version that 
>>> runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or 
>>> alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile the 
>>> source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply).
>> 
>> then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations in those 
>> versions
> 
> How can I get the beta of last week or the week before? In those betas you 
> have not yet included the new code (for use with LuaTeX 1.05) and everything 
> worked really fine. The --context=current garden version has several bugs 
> regarding primes you have solved in the mentioned betas. So it 

Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

> Am 12.06.2017 um 17:10 schrieb Hans Hagen :
> 
> On 6/12/2017 4:54 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:
>>> the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something 
>>> to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i 
>>> then need to maintain without any gain
>> At first: Thank you very much for your work!
>>> so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not 
>>> some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of 
>>> tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go)
>> But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or 
>> hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version that 
>> is shipped with the Garden version) in /all/ fonts. The primes are not 
>> rendered as they should in /any/ font I tried out.
>> As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to be 
>> terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes will be 
>> not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current (non-beta) 
>> version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs with primes you 
>> have already resolved.
> 
> there will probably be a 1.0.5 one of these days (also for other reasons) but 
> Mojca has to configure the garden compile farm
> 

Okay, that would be great. But could you tell me how I can get the files and 
compile them? Mikael did write me instructions that work for Linux, but I am on 
MacOS. My problem would be solved if I could get the source and compile LuaTeX 
1.05 on my own on MacOS. :-)

>> This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be 
>> released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my own. 
>> Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did solve all 
>> problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose up in the most 
>> recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you introduced new code to 
>> work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but because this version is not 
>> yet released, this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt 
>> unusable until this release (if you need primes).
>> So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version that 
>> runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or 
>> alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile the 
>> source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply).
> 
> then just use old versions and then accept the bugs and limitations in those 
> versions

How can I get the beta of last week or the week before? In those betas you have 
not yet included the new code (for use with LuaTeX 1.05) and everything worked 
really fine. The --context=current garden version has several bugs regarding 
primes you have solved in the mentioned betas. So it would make no sense at all 
to use this version. I would need one of the older betas or the most recent one 
with LuaTeX 1.05.

> 
>> And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special fonts of 
>> hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using standard Latin Modern 
>> or any font else. Simply try
> latin modern has all kind of issues ... and it's inconsistent with cambria, 
> other gyre fonts etc ... in a decade of luatex and open type math fonts i 
> captured a lot of font issues in runtiem fixes but that will always give side 
> effects
> 
> so, i can fix somethign for you with lm and then someone else complains about 
> lucida etc etc
> 

I am not using Latin Modern. I only mentioned that because I wanted to stress 
that I am not referring to exotic fonts. (I totally agree on you regarding 
Latin Modern; I think Cambria should be the reference since this font is the 
font that established the opentype math standard.)
In fact I am using Minion Math (which is a really stunning font) or Stix 2. 
There had been no problems in those fonts with primes in the betas of the last 
weeks. And as Mikeal suggests the problems are resolved if I could use LuaTeX 
1.05.

So in fact the only thing I am complaining about is that everything worked one 
or two betas ago until it is „broken“ in the newest beta since this one seems 
to be based on code that requires LuaTeX 1.05 (which makes sense of course 
since this will be the upcoming release) that is not shipped alongside the 
beta. So I am not able to understand why code is provided in the beta that 
requires a LuaTeX version that is not shipped alongside (and especially in view 
of the fact that we had a perfectly working beta regarding primes last week; 
this means I think it would have been a great idea to wait including the newest 
code for primes that requires LuaTeX 1.05 until LuaTeX 1.05 is shipped with the 
beta too). :-)

> as i explained before, primes are a mess conceptually .. not a real character 
> and not a proper superscript candidate either so when one corrects for one 
> aspect one has 

Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gainAt first: Thank you very much for your work!so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go)But I have to contradict you here: It has nothing to do with special or hybrid fonts. The problem persists at present (using the LuaTeX version that is shipped with the Garden version) in all fonts. The primes are not rendered as they should in any font I tried out.As Mikael told me, you optimised the code for LuaTeX 1.05 which seems to be terminated September this year. But until then the output of primes will be not correct. I have no possibility to switch back to the current (non-beta) version of ConTeXt, because this version contains the bugs with primes you have already resolved.This means that ConTeXt is not usable for me until LuaTeX 1.05 will be released or until I am able to compile the source of LuaTeX 1.05 on my own. Some of the latest betas (the version one or two weeks ago) did solve all problems regarding primes. The problem I am referring to rose up in the most recent betas. As Mikael told me, this is because you introduced new code to work with LuaTeX 1.05. This is very nice, but because this version is not yet released, this decision is questionable, since this makes ConTeXt unusable until this release (if you need primes).So I appreciate your hard work, but I would be nice to have a version that runs with the current LuaTeX version of the beta of ConTeXt (or alternatively it would be nice if instructions are provided to compile the source of LuaTeX for every OS that can be used simply).And (to repeat myself) the problem has nothing to do with special fonts of hybrid version or whatever. You get the problem using standard Latin Modern or any font else. Simply try%%%\starttext%$f’$, $f^{''}$.%\stoptext%%%and you will get something like attached.BestMathias

Primes.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
Am 12.06.2017 um 16:35 schrieb Hans Hagen :On 6/12/2017 3:53 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately1) get the filessvn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvnhttps://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which command I need to use at MacOS (current version)?Besides, Hans, I think it is a questionable decision to include the new mechanism for primes in the beta but not the required LuaTeX version for them to work correctly. I tried out the ConTeXt version „current“ (--context=current downloading the standalone) and there the old bugs persist. That means that I cannot use ConTeXt to typeset mathematics now, since no version works correctly when primes are required (until I can handle it to compile LuaTeX 1.05, but I think it would be much more comfortable the beta version of ConTeXt could run using the LuaTeX version it provides on it’s own).the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a mess that i then need to maintain without any gainso, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go)(it already has costs me more time that i liked)Hans- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands  tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl-___
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Hans Hagen]

On 6/12/2017 3:53 PM, Mathias Schickel wrote:

Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately


1) get the files

svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn
https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/


does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which 
command I need to use at MacOS (current version)?


Besides, Hans, I think it is a questionable decision to include the new 
mechanism for primes in the beta but not the required LuaTeX version for 
them to work correctly. I tried out the ConTeXt version „current“ 
(--context=current downloading the standalone) and there the old bugs 
persist. That means that I cannot use ConTeXt to typeset mathematics 
now, since no version works correctly when primes are required (until I 
can handle it to compile LuaTeX 1.05, but I think it would be much more 
comfortable the beta version of ConTeXt could run using the LuaTeX 
version it provides on it’s own).
the alternative is that i waste time again and again on getting 
something to work for all fonts and all combinations which leads to a 
mess that i then need to maintain without any gain


so, i decided to follow a route that works for most fonts / cases and 
not some messy hybrid solution (and i don't want a different setup or 
bag of tricks for each font that is out there as that is a long term no-go)


(it already has costs me more time that i liked)

Hans


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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

Thank you very much for providing the instructions, Mikael! Unfortunately

> 1) get the files
> 
> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn
> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/ 
> 
does not work on MacOS (which I am using). Can someone tell me which command I 
need to use at MacOS (current version)?

Besides, Hans, I think it is a questionable decision to include the new 
mechanism for primes in the beta but not the required LuaTeX version for them 
to work correctly. I tried out the ConTeXt version „current“ (--context=current 
downloading the standalone) and there the old bugs persist. That means that I 
cannot use ConTeXt to typeset mathematics now, since no version works correctly 
when primes are required (until I can handle it to compile LuaTeX 1.05, but I 
think it would be much more comfortable the beta version of ConTeXt could run 
using the LuaTeX version it provides on it’s own).

Best
/Mathias



> Am 12.06.2017 um 13:46 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist :
> 
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Mathias Schickel
>  wrote:
>> Hi Mikael,
>> 
>> when will LuaTeX 1.05 be released? And how can I get the source for 
>> compilation (and what exactly will I have to do to get everything to work)?
>> Besides: Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to?
>> 
>> Best
>> /Mathias
>> 
>> 
>>> Am 12.06.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist :
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel
>>>  wrote:
 Dear Hans,
 
 the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs 
 regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using 
 the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being 
 resolved meanwhile):
 
 %%%
 \starttext
 %
 Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$.
 %
 \startformula
   %
   \int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x
   %
 \stopformula
 %
 \stoptext
 %%%
 
 The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And 
 while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, 
 $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high.
 
 Best
 Mathias
 
 
 
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>>> 
>>> I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do
>>> the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until
>>> luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will
>>> see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file,
>>> compiled with 1.05.
>>> 
>>> /Mikael
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> As far as I understand 1.05 will be out at the same time as the
> context meeting takes place (Sepbember?).
> 
> For the thread, it was this one (that you participated in):
> https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html . I
> think the information you need is available there, but still:
> 
> I run linux (ubuntu), and these are the steps that made it work for me
> (with help of luigi and Taco):
> 
> 1) get the files
> 
> svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn
> https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/
> 
> 2) 

Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Mathias Schickel
 wrote:
> Hi Mikael,
>
> when will LuaTeX 1.05 be released? And how can I get the source for 
> compilation (and what exactly will I have to do to get everything to work)?
> Besides: Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to?
>
> Best
> /Mathias
>
>
>> Am 12.06.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist :
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel
>>  wrote:
>>> Dear Hans,
>>>
>>> the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs 
>>> regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using 
>>> the following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being 
>>> resolved meanwhile):
>>>
>>> %%%
>>> \starttext
>>> %
>>> Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$.
>>> %
>>> \startformula
>>>%
>>>\int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x
>>>%
>>> \stopformula
>>> %
>>> \stoptext
>>> %%%
>>>
>>> The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And 
>>> while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, 
>>> $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Mathias
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do
>> the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until
>> luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will
>> see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file,
>> compiled with 1.05.
>>
>> /Mikael
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As far as I understand 1.05 will be out at the same time as the
context meeting takes place (Sepbember?).

For the thread, it was this one (that you participated in):
https://mailman.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2017/088747.html . I
think the information you need is available there, but still:

I run linux (ubuntu), and these are the steps that made it work for me
(with help of luigi and Taco):

1) get the files

svn checkout --username anonsvn --password anonsvn
https://serveur-svn.lri.fr/svn/modhel/luatex/branches/experimental/

2) compile:

step into the folder experimental and run build.sh

3) copy the luatex binary to a place where it is found

I chose to replace the one from garden, and it seems to work.

Good luck!

/Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mathias Schickel]

Hi Mikael,

when will LuaTeX 1.05 be released? And how can I get the source for compilation 
(and what exactly will I have to do to get everything to work)?
Besides: Do you have a link to the thread you are referring to?

Best
/Mathias


> Am 12.06.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Mikael P. Sundqvist :
> 
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel
>  wrote:
>> Dear Hans,
>> 
>> the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs 
>> regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the 
>> following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved 
>> meanwhile):
>> 
>> %%%
>> \starttext
>> %
>> Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$.
>> %
>> \startformula
>>%
>>\int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x
>>%
>> \stopformula
>> %
>> \stoptext
>> %%%
>> 
>> The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And 
>> while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, 
>> $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high.
>> 
>> Best
>> Mathias
>> 
>> 
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> 
> I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do
> the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until
> luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will
> see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file,
> compiled with 1.05.
> 
> /Mikael
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Re: [NTG-context] Bug regarding placement and size of primes

[Mikael P. Sundqvist]

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Mathias Schickel
 wrote:
> Dear Hans,
>
> the newest beta (I have updated some hours ago) contains again some bugs 
> regarding the size and placement of primes. You can verify that by using the 
> following minimal example (created to show some older bugs being resolved 
> meanwhile):
>
> %%%
> \starttext
> %
> Compare $f'$ to $(f')$ and to $f''$, $(f'')$, $f^{''}$ and $(f^{''})$.
> %
> \startformula
> %
> \int\nolimits_a^b \bigl(\|f(x)\|\bigr)\, {\mathrm d}x
> %
> \stopformula
> %
> \stoptext
> %%%
>
> The output is attached. The primes are obviously rendered too small. And 
> while $f'$ seems to lead to a placement of the prime a little too low, 
> $f^{'}$ seems to cause the prime being placed too high.
>
> Best
> Mathias
>
>
>
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I think this is intended (see the other thread). Hans decided to do
the primes differently, which means that they will look strange until
luatex 1.05 is out. You can compile luatex 1.05 yourself, and you will
see that the primes look OK. I attach a pdf result of your file,
compiled with 1.05.

/Mikael


primes105.pdf
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