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From: jra...@eaglemds.com
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:13:11 -0500
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
“It's a concern I continue
to have, even as I advocate the technology for its technical merits.”
I know
On 10 Jan 2011 at 11:43, techconnect wrote:
We are a private k-8 school and we have a board member who is telling us
that we should not buy any new servers to replace the current ones, he says
everything is moving to the cloud and so should our stuff(user folders,
authenication AD win 2003
11, 2011 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
On 10 Jan 2011 at 11:43, techconnect wrote:
We are a private k-8 school and we have a board member who is telling us
that we should not buy any new servers to replace the current ones, he says
On 10 Jan 2011 at 14:30, Ziots, Edward wrote:
If you would like this slide deck ( so as not to kill the listserv)
please email me directly.
Couldn't you put it on YouSendIt.com and post the link here?
Also, I could host them if needed.
Z
A
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Angus Scott-Fleming
GeoApps, Tucson,
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
On 10 Jan 2011 at 11:43, techconnect wrote:
We are a private k-8 school and we have a board member who is telling us
that we should not buy any new servers to replace
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From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:55 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Indeed...It's a concern I continue to have, even as I advocate
[mailto:angu...@geoapps.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
On 10 Jan 2011 at 11:43, techconnect wrote:
We are a private k-8 school and we have a board member who is telling us
that we should not buy any new
EMP.
Of course at that point we can all just go home.
From: Charles Whitby [mailto:charles.whi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Coronal Mass Ejection for instance?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11
, January 11, 2011 11:25 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
EMP.
Of course at that point we can all just go home.
From: Charles Whitby [mailto:charles.whi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 8:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain
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From: Charles Whitby [mailto:charles.whi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:22 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Coronal Mass Ejection for instance?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011
10:55 AM
*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Indeed...It's a concern I continue to have, even as I advocate the
technology for its technical merits.
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*Exploiting Technology
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*Sent:* Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:22 AM
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*Subject:* Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Coronal Mass Ejection for instance?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
jra...@eaglemds.com wrote:
*“**It's a concern I continue
Issues
*Subject:* Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Coronal Mass Ejection for instance?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
jra...@eaglemds.com wrote:
*“**It's a concern I continue to have, even as I advocate the technology
for its technical merits.”*
I know
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:35 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
I'm sorry to say, if war or terrorism happen all bets are really off...
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
jra...@eaglemds.commailto:jra...@eaglemds.com wrote
Me.
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From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:30 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
If you would like this slide deck ( so as not to kill the listserv)
please email me directly.
Z
[mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
Please share!
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com
-Original
Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
Damnit, I hate when I reply to the list instead of in the
individual...too many lists and not all act the same..
-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:30 AM
To: NT
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Sleep robbing, becoming a third world country overnight kinda scary.
In your move to all electronic did you digitize all of your old dead-tree
charts?
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:31 AM, Raper, Jonathan - Eagle
jra
+
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
We digitized the pertinent [1
+, Security +
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 11:56 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
We digitized the pertinent
If you decide to go cloud, this is a domain controller in the cloud
http://www.okta.com/
Warm regards,
Stu
-Original Message-
From: techconnect [mailto:techconn...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:44 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: domain controller in the
[mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:53 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
Yeah. Any real EMR will meet those criteria. We have audit trails the likes of
which you wouldn't believe (or then again maybe you would). We can, have
Email:ezi...@lifespan.org
Cell:401-639-3505
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From: Stu Sjouwerman [mailto:s...@sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
If you decide to go cloud, this is a domain controller
bandwagon? I think not everyone will move there
If you are a small organizationit may make better sense to stay out of
the cloud. Each situation is different. I have one in and one out...
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:43 AM, techconnect techconn...@bellsouth.netwrote:
We are a private
Jason,
I was at TechMentor back in October. Mark Minasi presented a talk about
going to the cloud that covered a lot of good points, mostly against it.
He's talking about putting out an audio CD of that presentation.
http://www.minasi.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=36453
It might be worth
Someone needs to take away his magazine reading privileges.
Just a couple of questions, assuming no one is concerned about (or has given
any consideration to) latency.
Does your organization have any redundant internet connectivity?
What servers do you have today, and where are they? (How many
couldn't resist:
http://dilbert.com/dyn_file/str_strip/109703/gif/strip.print
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM, techconnect techconn...@bellsouth.netwrote:
We are a private k-8 school and we have a board member who is telling us
that we should not buy any new servers to replace the current
I see the point your board member is making, but the other side of that coin,
from my standpoint is, who controls the data? What happens to the data when
cloud provider of choice goes poof? What are your RPO and RTO, and how will you
achieve recovery if the primary provider goes poof?
Also,
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
couldn't resist:
http://dilbert.com/dyn_file/str_strip/109703/gif/strip.print
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:43 AM, techconnect
techconn...@bellsouth.netmailto:techconn
Someone needs to take away his magazine reading�privileges.
Just a couple of questions, assuming no one is concerned about (or has given
any consideration to) latency.
Does your organization have any redundant internet connectivity?
What servers do you have today, and where are they? �(How
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 11:58 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Someone needs to take away his magazine reading privileges.
Just a couple of questions, assuming no one is concerned about (or has given
any consideration
Any discussion of moving services to the cloud needs to begin with a
discussion of budgetary impact. I say this, because it is a board member
who brings it up, throwing this back to them with some data along these
lines might give this individual board member something to truly consider.
Yes, it
Here's one proposed course of action. Requires a good bit of time, or a
consulting partner that you can trust.
- Generate cost comparisons
- Research Security/Risk
- Understand technology complexity
First, determine what your actual needs are.
Next, spec out those systems in a local
The numbers will definitely favor in-house equipment for organizations that
do not upgrade frequently...
*ASB *(My Bio via About.Me http://about.me/Andrew.S.Baker/bio)
*Exploiting Technology for Business Advantage...*
*
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On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Jonathan Link
silly. J
From: Jonathan Link [mailto:jonathan.l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Any discussion of moving services to the cloud needs to begin with a
discussion of budgetary impact. I say
Which is pretty descriptive of most educational environments... :-)
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Andrew S. Baker asbz...@gmail.com wrote:
The numbers will definitely favor in-house equipment for organizations that
do not upgrade frequently...
*ASB *(My Bio via About.Me
There is a lot of things you need to look at if and when moving your resources
to the cloud. Just because a member of your board says moving to the cloud is
the way to go, doesn't make it so.
There are a lot of things to consider:
1) Availability ( of your resources) and of the cloud
-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
There is a lot of things you need to look at if and when moving your resources
to the cloud. Just because
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Cell:401-639-3505
-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:51 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
There is a lot of things you need to look at if and when moving your resources
Most definately and thank you.
Jason
I have a slide deck written for ISACA NE that I can share if you want it to
review the issues with moving to the cloud, which should give you talking
points.
Z
Edward E. Ziots
CISSP, Network +, Security +
Network Engineer
Lifespan Organization
Google App's does have central management for its services. Whether it's good
enough to meet your needs, you'll just have to try it out. Also it may make
sense to only have certain services be internet based, but others local. Print
and file services for example seem obvious. For as many users
So are there companies that provide AD services from the cloud?
And if so, do they just rely on you creating like an ipsec tunnel to their
server from our sonicwall and just replicate AD locally?
Thanks and sorry if I am having bone-headed questions.
Jason
~ Finally, powerful endpoint security
, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:56 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
I have a slide deck written for ISACA NE that I can share if you want it to
review the issues with moving to the cloud, which should give you
I think you nailed it about the board member, i just wanted some points to come
back with other than it doesn't feel right.
And as far as google I think they are a wolf in sheeps clothing, their data
mining efforts who really knows what they do with it all until someone uncovers
something like
I would love a copy as well!
Thx
-Original Message-
From: Raper, Jonathan - Eagle [mailto:jra...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
Please share!
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology
...@eaglemds.com]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
Please share!
Jonathan L. Raper, A+, MCSA, MCSE
Technology Coordinator
Eagle Physicians Associates, PA
jra...@eaglemds.com
www.eaglemds.com
-Original Message
]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:05 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
I think you nailed it about the board member, i just wanted some points to come
back with other than it doesn't feel right.
And as far as google I think they are a wolf in sheeps
Yeah, Jeffery doesn't like it when we kill the listserv.
-Original Message-
From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:ezi...@lifespan.org]
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 1:30 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: domain controller in the cloud???
If you would like this slide deck ( so
I would add to that list what happens if someone OUTSIDE of the organization
gets access to the information in the cloud? How much insurance does the
school have and what are the laws about unauthorized release of student
information in your location?
Jon
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:58 AM,
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: domain controller in the cloud???
Someone needs to take away his magazine reading privileges.
Just a couple of questions, assuming no one is concerned about (or has given
any consideration to) latency.
Does your organization have any redundant internet
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