RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-07 Thread Patrick Santinello
...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nadine Scarpa Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:40 PM To: Jim Osterlund Cc: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund wrote: "Capitalism is the American way, and I'

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-07 Thread Nadine Scarpa
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund wrote: "Capitalism is the American way, and I'm all for it. So let's consider a capitalistic approach to the problem. Let's boycott, and advocate boycotting to others, the sale of those photos. Let's point out to the editors of publications we see

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-07 Thread Jim Osterlund
Response I got from NYSDEC echos that given to another who's posted here. It was basically advise to contact the appropriate ECO, but it included a discouraging addition; "Yes harassing wildlife is a violation of the ECL. Proving it and prosecuting it is another issue." So, we've heard

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-07 Thread Jim Osterlund
Response I got from NYSDEC echos that given to another who's posted here. It was basically advise to contact the appropriate ECO, but it included a discouraging addition; Yes harassing wildlife is a violation of the ECL. Proving it and prosecuting it is another issue. So, we've heard

RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-07 Thread Patrick Santinello
...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Nadine Scarpa Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:40 PM To: Jim Osterlund Cc: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Jim Osterlund james...@optonline.net wrote: Capitalism is the American

RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Mark Barriger
ject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds > To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu > > Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts, > and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem > is. To contribute to this, thinking there might

RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Kevin J. McGowan
] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts, and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem is. To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal aspects to consider, I've placed inquiry

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Jim Osterlund
Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts, and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem is. To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal aspects to consider, I've placed inquiry with NYSDEC, thinking them the most likely

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Gregory Fisher
Well said Fred and Peter.  -Original Message- From: Fred Baumgarten Sent: Feb 6, 2012 12:38 PM To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds I like Peter's posting and would like to add a few thoughts.  Maybe I'm missing something

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Fred Baumgarten
I like Peter's posting and would like to add a few thoughts. Maybe I'm missing something, but the question that doesn't seem to be fully addressed is: What do we do about it? Keeping sightings off the listserves is one solution, but one that a lot of people, myself included, have difficulty

[nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Priolo
List Members: I am a recent subscriber of this list-serve. Having read some but not all of the comments and opinions on the encroachment of birds for whatever the motive, I have decided to share some points. From my relative outside perspective, I see this issue to be one of great controversy

[nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Peter Priolo
List Members: I am a recent subscriber of this list-serve. Having read some but not all of the comments and opinions on the encroachment of birds for whatever the motive, I have decided to share some points. From my relative outside perspective, I see this issue to be one of great controversy

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Fred Baumgarten
I like Peter's posting and would like to add a few thoughts. Maybe I'm missing something, but the question that doesn't seem to be fully addressed is: What do we do about it? Keeping sightings off the listserves is one solution, but one that a lot of people, myself included, have difficulty

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Gregory Fisher
Well said Fred and Peter. -Original Message- From: Fred Baumgarten <fredbee.ea...@gmail.com> Sent: Feb 6, 2012 12:38 PM To: NYSBirds-L@cornell.edu Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds I like Peter's posting and would like to add a few thoughts. May

Re: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Jim Osterlund
Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts, and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem is. To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal aspects to consider, I've placed inquiry with NYSDEC, thinking them the most likely

RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Mark Barriger
, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds To: NYSBIRDS-L@cornell.edu Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts, and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem is. To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal aspects to consider, I've placed

RE: [nysbirds-l] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds

2012-02-06 Thread Kevin J. McGowan
] ethics, photographers, knee-jerks, op-eds Fred speaks well, and, indeed, we need to gather all these thoughts, and, if nothing else, state clearly and succinctly what the problem is. To contribute to this, thinking there might be significant legal aspects to consider, I've placed inquiry