Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

Just to make things more interesting, this bird has been seen at Stelhi beach for several winters https://ebird.org/checklist/S101927382 Tail spots do not match the Old Field bird. On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 11:22 AM Larry Trachtenberg wrote: > All -- thank you particularly Shai, for the education.

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

Just to make things more interesting, this bird has been seen at Stelhi beach for several winters https://ebird.org/checklist/S101927382 Tail spots do not match the Old Field bird. On Tue, Mar 8, 2022 at 11:22 AM Larry Trachtenberg wrote: > All -- thank you particularly Shai, for the education.

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

Shai has made a good case for this bird being a European Herring gull, omissus. OTOH, as Timothy Healy points out, there is the spectra of the many West coast hybrids looming in our faces. If I may be so bold, surely Shai or one of his colleagues can capture the bird.  Get the DNA. Bob Lewis

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

Shai has made a good case for this bird being a European Herring gull, omissus. OTOH, as Timothy Healy points out, there is the spectra of the many West coast hybrids looming in our faces. If I may be so bold, surely Shai or one of his colleagues can capture the bird.  Get the DNA. Bob Lewis

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

It's my understanding this particular Larus species was not found by the sea. While extreme attention to field marks is thus far inconclusive, and I normally would be very hesitant to attach a name tag to a specie based on it's immediate locale or habitat nonetheless foraging behavior, at this

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

It's my understanding this particular Larus species was not found by the sea. While extreme attention to field marks is thus far inconclusive, and I normally would be very hesitant to attach a name tag to a specie based on it's immediate locale or habitat nonetheless foraging behavior, at this

RE: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

Hi all, Thank you for the feedback, to which I'll offer three quick points. First, Wayne is completely correct--in yesterday's post, I was definitely speaking from a North Atlantic perspective. It is certainly true that I neglected the many places in the world where isolation does break down

RE: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

Hi all, Thank you for the feedback, to which I'll offer three quick points. First, Wayne is completely correct--in yesterday's post, I was definitely speaking from a North Atlantic perspective. It is certainly true that I neglected the many places in the world where isolation does break down

RE: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

All -- thank you particularly Shai, for the education. I have read each post. My it is complicated, and when the Larus experts can go back and forth without any definitive conclusion, I no longer feel incompetent when I see a mere 100-200 gulls or so at Ossining or Croton or Peekskill, and

RE: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

All -- thank you particularly Shai, for the education. I have read each post. My it is complicated, and when the Larus experts can go back and forth without any definitive conclusion, I no longer feel incompetent when I see a mere 100-200 gulls or so at Ossining or Croton or Peekskill, and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

This bird has certainly proven to be a fascinating case study, and the discussion across the various forums has been enlightening. I always appreciate the opportunity to learn from one of these community identification efforts, and I'm grateful for public venues like the listserv where experts can

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

This bird has certainly proven to be a fascinating case study, and the discussion across the various forums has been enlightening. I always appreciate the opportunity to learn from one of these community identification efforts, and I'm grateful for public venues like the listserv where experts can

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

It sure seems that the sightings of the recent Slaty-backed Gull of Central Park and the interesting yellow-legged Larus of Old Field Point has sparked some of us to join the ranks of larophiles, especially during the late winter birding doldrums. I tried doing a little research on American and

Re: [nysbirds-l] Is the Old Field Point Bird a Euro Herring Gull or a Hybrid LBBG x HERG?

It sure seems that the sightings of the recent Slaty-backed Gull of Central Park and the interesting yellow-legged Larus of Old Field Point has sparked some of us to join the ranks of larophiles, especially during the late winter birding doldrums. I tried doing a little research on American and