Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Donna Schulman 
ottom, I do not think it will ever be resolved via consensus (and
> certainly not unanimity) even if as David says there is a designated
> NYS-RBA site that (a) people use, and (b) someone is willing to maintain
> (whatever that exactly means); although such a site seems like a good idea.
> (What then, is rare?)
>
>
>
>
>
> *Lawrence B. Trachtenberg* | *trachtenb...@amsllp.com
> <trachtenb...@amsllp.com>*
>
> *Aronson Mayefsky **&** Sloan, **LLP*
>
> 12 E. 49th Street, New York, New York 10017 | T: 212.521.3511 | F:
> 212.838.5505
>
>
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> *From:* bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *David Klauber
> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:19 PM
> *To:* Paul R Sweet
> *Cc:* nysbirds-l
>
> *Subject:* Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated
> Flycatcher
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> You raise  a good point. There is one site which historically has been THE
> site for reporting rare birds state wide, and that is the Cornell listserve
> NYS birds. While this is not only a rare bird alert, as its scope is
> broader, it still is the best place to get the word out on a rare bird.
> Unfortunately it has not been used as much in recent years due to people
> posting on other local and regional sites, as you noted.
>
> I believe there been a perception - incorrect in my opinion- in the eyes
> of some upstate birders that it is mostly a downstate / NYC /Long Island
> listserve, possibly due to a majority of posts being from that area, at
> least in the past. And to Paul's point there have often been many "run of
> the mill" type daily posts of little interest to people who don't live in
> that area. This has resulted in many birders upstate using their regional
> listserves only, although a few people have made a good effort to cross
> post and get the word out to a wider audience. I don't think it takes much
> effort to list 2 addresses for those wanting to use their local sites and
> still get the word out to a wider audience when a rarity shows up.
>
> But maybe to Paul's point a strictly RBA site state wide would address the
> issue. But someone would have to take responsibility for its upkeep.
>
>
>
> Dave Klauber
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Paul R Sweet <
> sw...@amnh.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
> *To:* Andrew Baksh
> *Cc:* Ethan Maitra; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com; nysbirds-l
> *Subject:* Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated
> Flycatcher
>
>
>
> As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk about some
>  recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take the
> lead here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that
> are often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings.
> While these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a
> suggestion could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true
> RBA for NYSARC reportable or at least scarce taxa only (
> nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) and the other a site for daily lists and musings
> on other aspects of local birding (ebirds...@yahoogroups.com). Of course
> the proliferation of bird alerts on Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter
> and various WhatsAp and text alert groups add to the confusion. In short it
> would be great to standardize how and where true rare bird info appears.
> Ideally we should have a true RBA listserve like the one that Lloyd ran a
> few years ago. Over to you Andrew.
>
>
>
> Paul Sweet
>
> Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural
> History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718
> 757 5941
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
> [ebirdsnyc] <ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way.
> More interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears
> to me that we are once again seeing a break down

Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Donna Schulman 
 (and
> certainly not unanimity) even if as David says there is a designated
> NYS-RBA site that (a) people use, and (b) someone is willing to maintain
> (whatever that exactly means); although such a site seems like a good idea.
> (What then, is rare?)
>
>
>
>
>
> *Lawrence B. Trachtenberg* | *trachtenb...@amsllp.com
> *
>
> *Aronson Mayefsky **&** Sloan, **LLP*
>
> 12 E. 49th Street, New York, New York 10017 | T: 212.521.3511 | F:
> 212.838.5505
>
>
>
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> *From:* bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu [mailto:
> bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu] *On Behalf Of *David Klauber
> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 1:19 PM
> *To:* Paul R Sweet
> *Cc:* nysbirds-l
>
> *Subject:* Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated
> Flycatcher
>
>
>
> Paul,
>
>
>
> You raise  a good point. There is one site which historically has been THE
> site for reporting rare birds state wide, and that is the Cornell listserve
> NYS birds. While this is not only a rare bird alert, as its scope is
> broader, it still is the best place to get the word out on a rare bird.
> Unfortunately it has not been used as much in recent years due to people
> posting on other local and regional sites, as you noted.
>
> I believe there been a perception - incorrect in my opinion- in the eyes
> of some upstate birders that it is mostly a downstate / NYC /Long Island
> listserve, possibly due to a majority of posts being from that area, at
> least in the past. And to Paul's point there have often been many "run of
> the mill" type daily posts of little interest to people who don't live in
> that area. This has resulted in many birders upstate using their regional
> listserves only, although a few people have made a good effort to cross
> post and get the word out to a wider audience. I don't think it takes much
> effort to list 2 addresses for those wanting to use their local sites and
> still get the word out to a wider audience when a rarity shows up.
>
> But maybe to Paul's point a strictly RBA site state wide would address the
> issue. But someone would have to take responsibility for its upkeep.
>
>
>
> Dave Klauber
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu <
> bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Paul R Sweet <
> sw...@amnh.org>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
> *To:* Andrew Baksh
> *Cc:* Ethan Maitra; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com; nysbirds-l
> *Subject:* Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated
> Flycatcher
>
>
>
> As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk about some
>  recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take the
> lead here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that
> are often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings.
> While these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a
> suggestion could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true
> RBA for NYSARC reportable or at least scarce taxa only (
> nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) and the other a site for daily lists and musings
> on other aspects of local birding (ebirds...@yahoogroups.com). Of course
> the proliferation of bird alerts on Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter
> and various WhatsAp and text alert groups add to the confusion. In short it
> would be great to standardize how and where true rare bird info appears.
> Ideally we should have a true RBA listserve like the one that Lloyd ran a
> few years ago. Over to you Andrew.
>
>
>
> Paul Sweet
>
> Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural
> History | Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718
> 757 5941
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
> [ebirdsnyc]  wrote:
>
>
>
> Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way.
> More interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears
> to me that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon
> birds are being reported.
>
>
>
> I'll withhold fire for now b

RE: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Larry Trachtenberg 

If I may.  I do not use and anticipate never using any of Facebook (or its 
myriad bird groups), Twitter, bird text alert systems, 
ebirds...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>; #birdcp on 
Twitter, the “various WhatsAp” bird sites referenced, or any of the seemingly 
endless selective groups that report birds to their members.  To quote WC 
Fields "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member” (not to say 
any of these clubs or whatever they may be would have me.).
I also was unaware that the NYSbird site was intended for rarities only.  As 
far as I understood; rather not only is there a NYS list-serve (which as with 
Andrew, is the only place I use other than when I get around occasionally to 
post to ebird), there are also seven others for various listserv regions around 
the state which you see if you go to the ABA site http://birding.aba.org 
(NY-Cayuga; NY-Genesee; NY-Hudson-Mohawk; NY-Northern; NY-Oneida; NY-Orange and 
NY-Chautauqua).  As David points out likely those came about because the main 
NYS listserv is dominated by downstate sightings often, like mine, mundane.  
Thus, the NY listserv sites are far different than those in NJ for example 
which has only two; a statewide place to post and a clearly identified NJ-RBA 
(but I do not know how carefully that is monitored).
In NY, every Saturday Gail Benson posts on the State NYSbird cite the weekly 
Rare Bird Alert for the five boroughs and Long Island and what it says is 
Westchester, although absent say a Virginia’s Warbler, Westchester seems to be 
reported infrequently.  That posting gives two ways to report a rare bird (as 
opposed a general post to the NYS listserv of more routine sightings that some 
may find interesting and some may not which is how I viewed the general 
listserv).  Per Gail’s regular Saturday posts for actual rare bird sightings in 
the indicated area(s) they should either be called in to a Hotline: New York 
City Area Rare Bird Alert:  Number: (212) 979-3070; or emailed to 
nysar...@nybirds.org<mailto:nysar...@nybirds.org> (and if documentation is 
requested there is a link to an on-line form).  That, of course, begs the 
question as to whether if someone calls in a rare bird, will it show up on any 
list serve prior to Gail’s post on Saturday (assuming indeed the sighting is 
valid, or whatever criteria may be used).  Thus, if a Monday sighting was not 
posted until Saturday and the bird is gone, the twitchers would no longer be 
able to twitch (even if he/she were willing to drive out on the execrable LIE 
to get to wherever such rare bird may be on Long Island).
Personally, I post fairly regularly from my patch at Croton Point Park, a park 
which I know is visited by many birders.  Most of my posts tend to the mundane 
although some have reported an occasional rarity (e.g. cattle egret, American 
avocet, boat tailed grackle).  My CPP posts occasionally lead to direct off 
line email communication sometimes with comments of appreciation and/or 
requests for further info, and sometimes less so, shall we say, but I never 
thought nysbirds-l@cornell.edu<mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> was limited to 
only sightings of rarities, because, well it clearly has not been used that 
way.  It is also clear that NYS listserv is not universally used by those in 
Westchester to post rarities when they do show up – at CPP alone it was days 
last year before a lark sparrow was reported on the listserv after being 
initially only posted on Facebook (fortunately it stayed for months) and longer 
before a well photographed buff breasted sandpiper came to light (after it was 
long gone).
At bottom, I do not think it will ever be resolved via consensus (and certainly 
not unanimity) even if as David says there is a designated NYS-RBA site that 
(a) people use, and (b) someone is willing to maintain (whatever that exactly 
means); although such a site seems like a good idea. (What then, is rare?)


Lawrence B. Trachtenberg | 
trachtenb...@amsllp.com<mailto:trachtenb...@amsllp.com>
Aronson Mayefsky & Sloan, LLP
12 E. 49th Street, New York, New York 10017 | T: 212.521.3511 | F: 212.838.5505

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From: bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of David Klauber
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:19 PM
To: Paul R Sweet
Cc: nysbirds-l
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher


Paul,



You raise  a good point. There is one site whi

RE: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Larry Trachtenberg 

If I may.  I do not use and anticipate never using any of Facebook (or its 
myriad bird groups), Twitter, bird text alert systems, 
ebirds...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>; #birdcp on 
Twitter, the “various WhatsAp” bird sites referenced, or any of the seemingly 
endless selective groups that report birds to their members.  To quote WC 
Fields "I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member” (not to say 
any of these clubs or whatever they may be would have me.).
I also was unaware that the NYSbird site was intended for rarities only.  As 
far as I understood; rather not only is there a NYS list-serve (which as with 
Andrew, is the only place I use other than when I get around occasionally to 
post to ebird), there are also seven others for various listserv regions around 
the state which you see if you go to the ABA site http://birding.aba.org 
(NY-Cayuga; NY-Genesee; NY-Hudson-Mohawk; NY-Northern; NY-Oneida; NY-Orange and 
NY-Chautauqua).  As David points out likely those came about because the main 
NYS listserv is dominated by downstate sightings often, like mine, mundane.  
Thus, the NY listserv sites are far different than those in NJ for example 
which has only two; a statewide place to post and a clearly identified NJ-RBA 
(but I do not know how carefully that is monitored).
In NY, every Saturday Gail Benson posts on the State NYSbird cite the weekly 
Rare Bird Alert for the five boroughs and Long Island and what it says is 
Westchester, although absent say a Virginia’s Warbler, Westchester seems to be 
reported infrequently.  That posting gives two ways to report a rare bird (as 
opposed a general post to the NYS listserv of more routine sightings that some 
may find interesting and some may not which is how I viewed the general 
listserv).  Per Gail’s regular Saturday posts for actual rare bird sightings in 
the indicated area(s) they should either be called in to a Hotline: New York 
City Area Rare Bird Alert:  Number: (212) 979-3070; or emailed to 
nysar...@nybirds.org<mailto:nysar...@nybirds.org> (and if documentation is 
requested there is a link to an on-line form).  That, of course, begs the 
question as to whether if someone calls in a rare bird, will it show up on any 
list serve prior to Gail’s post on Saturday (assuming indeed the sighting is 
valid, or whatever criteria may be used).  Thus, if a Monday sighting was not 
posted until Saturday and the bird is gone, the twitchers would no longer be 
able to twitch (even if he/she were willing to drive out on the execrable LIE 
to get to wherever such rare bird may be on Long Island).
Personally, I post fairly regularly from my patch at Croton Point Park, a park 
which I know is visited by many birders.  Most of my posts tend to the mundane 
although some have reported an occasional rarity (e.g. cattle egret, American 
avocet, boat tailed grackle).  My CPP posts occasionally lead to direct off 
line email communication sometimes with comments of appreciation and/or 
requests for further info, and sometimes less so, shall we say, but I never 
thought nysbirds-l@cornell.edu<mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> was limited to 
only sightings of rarities, because, well it clearly has not been used that 
way.  It is also clear that NYS listserv is not universally used by those in 
Westchester to post rarities when they do show up – at CPP alone it was days 
last year before a lark sparrow was reported on the listserv after being 
initially only posted on Facebook (fortunately it stayed for months) and longer 
before a well photographed buff breasted sandpiper came to light (after it was 
long gone).
At bottom, I do not think it will ever be resolved via consensus (and certainly 
not unanimity) even if as David says there is a designated NYS-RBA site that 
(a) people use, and (b) someone is willing to maintain (whatever that exactly 
means); although such a site seems like a good idea. (What then, is rare?)


Lawrence B. Trachtenberg | 
trachtenb...@amsllp.com<mailto:trachtenb...@amsllp.com>
Aronson Mayefsky & Sloan, LLP
12 E. 49th Street, New York, New York 10017 | T: 212.521.3511 | F: 212.838.5505

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From: bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-121020378-10490...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of David Klauber
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 1:19 PM
To: Paul R Sweet
Cc: nysbirds-l
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher


Paul,



You raise  a good point. There is one site whi

Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread David Klauber 
Paul,


You raise  a good point. There is one site which historically has been THE site 
for reporting rare birds state wide, and that is the Cornell listserve NYS 
birds. While this is not only a rare bird alert, as its scope is broader, it 
still is the best place to get the word out on a rare bird. Unfortunately it 
has not been used as much in recent years due to people posting on other local 
and regional sites, as you noted.

I believe there been a perception - incorrect in my opinion- in the eyes of 
some upstate birders that it is mostly a downstate / NYC /Long Island 
listserve, possibly due to a majority of posts being from that area, at least 
in the past. And to Paul's point there have often been many "run of the mill" 
type daily posts of little interest to people who don't live in that area. This 
has resulted in many birders upstate using their regional listserves only, 
although a few people have made a good effort to cross post and get the word 
out to a wider audience. I don't think it takes much effort to list 2 addresses 
for those wanting to use their local sites and still get the word out to a 
wider audience when a rarity shows up.

But maybe to Paul's point a strictly RBA site state wide would address the 
issue. But someone would have to take responsibility for its upkeep.


Dave Klauber



From: bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
<bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu> on behalf of Paul R Sweet 
<sw...@amnh.org>
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
To: Andrew Baksh
Cc: Ethan Maitra; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com; nysbirds-l
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher


As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk about some  
recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take the lead 
here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that are 
often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings. While 
these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a suggestion 
could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true RBA for NYSARC 
reportable or at least scarce taxa only 
(nysbirds-l@cornell.edu<mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>) and the other a site 
for daily lists and musings on other aspects of local birding 
(ebirds...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>). Of course the 
proliferation of bird alerts on Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter and 
various WhatsAp and text alert groups add to the confusion. In short it would 
be great to standardize how and where true rare bird info appears. Ideally we 
should have a true RBA listserve like the one that Lloyd ran a few years ago. 
Over to you Andrew.



Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh 
birdingd...@gmail.com<mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com> [ebirdsnyc] 
<ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com>> 
wrote:



Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. More 
interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to me 
that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.



I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game to keep up the 
generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider community. There are a 
lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using any form of social media 
to communicate. Let's not leave them out.



Thanks





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On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Ethan Ma

Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread David Klauber 
Paul,


You raise  a good point. There is one site which historically has been THE site 
for reporting rare birds state wide, and that is the Cornell listserve NYS 
birds. While this is not only a rare bird alert, as its scope is broader, it 
still is the best place to get the word out on a rare bird. Unfortunately it 
has not been used as much in recent years due to people posting on other local 
and regional sites, as you noted.

I believe there been a perception - incorrect in my opinion- in the eyes of 
some upstate birders that it is mostly a downstate / NYC /Long Island 
listserve, possibly due to a majority of posts being from that area, at least 
in the past. And to Paul's point there have often been many "run of the mill" 
type daily posts of little interest to people who don't live in that area. This 
has resulted in many birders upstate using their regional listserves only, 
although a few people have made a good effort to cross post and get the word 
out to a wider audience. I don't think it takes much effort to list 2 addresses 
for those wanting to use their local sites and still get the word out to a 
wider audience when a rarity shows up.

But maybe to Paul's point a strictly RBA site state wide would address the 
issue. But someone would have to take responsibility for its upkeep.


Dave Klauber



From: bounce-121020070-3714...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Paul R Sweet 

Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
To: Andrew Baksh
Cc: Ethan Maitra; ebirds...@yahoogroups.com; nysbirds-l
Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher


As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk about some  
recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take the lead 
here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that are 
often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings. While 
these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a suggestion 
could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true RBA for NYSARC 
reportable or at least scarce taxa only 
(nysbirds-l@cornell.edu<mailto:nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>) and the other a site 
for daily lists and musings on other aspects of local birding 
(ebirds...@yahoogroups.com<mailto:ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>). Of course the 
proliferation of bird alerts on Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter and 
various WhatsAp and text alert groups add to the confusion. In short it would 
be great to standardize how and where true rare bird info appears. Ideally we 
should have a true RBA listserve like the one that Lloyd ran a few years ago. 
Over to you Andrew.



Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh 
birdingd...@gmail.com<mailto:birdingd...@gmail.com> [ebirdsnyc] 
mailto:ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com>> 
wrote:



Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. More 
interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to me 
that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.



I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game to keep up the 
generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider community. There are a 
lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using any form of social media 
to communicate. Let's not leave them out.



Thanks





"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass



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林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Andrew Block 
I agree with the thought that there should be one place to report rarities so 
everyone can see the reports.  The NYSBirds list is the place where that has 
been done for many years.  I am one of those who doesn't use other sites or 
modern technology to find out about rarities.  I only use the Cornell list and 
don't see why all people don't report there first and then if they want to 
report to other places that's fine.   In my opinion it's selfish not to report 
to a general place first.  I've noticed that this is the same in a lot of the 
other states in the area where some don't report to the state RBA.
Andrew Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4629
Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 914-319-9701 



  From: Paul R Sweet <sw...@amnh.org>
 To: Andrew Baksh <birdingd...@gmail.com> 
Cc: Ethan Maitra <astrobirde...@yahoo.com>; "ebirds...@yahoogroups.com" 
<ebirds...@yahoogroups.com>; nysbirds-l <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher
   
 As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk 
about some  recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take 
the lead here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that 
are often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings. 
While these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a 
suggestion could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true RBA 
for NYSARC reportable or at least scarce taxa only (nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) and 
the other a site for daily lists and musings on other aspects of local birding 
(ebirds...@yahoogroups.com). Of course the proliferation of bird alerts on 
Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter and various WhatsAp and text alert 
groups add to the confusion. In short it would be great to standardize how and 
where true rare bird info appears. Ideally we should have a true RBA listserve 
like the one that Lloyd ran a few years ago. Over to you Andrew.     Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941 
On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com [ebirdsnyc] 
<ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: 
   Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. 
More interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to 
me that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.    I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game 
to keep up the generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider 
community. There are a lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using 
any form of social media to communicate. Let's not leave them out.    Thanks    
 "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the 
ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
Frederick Douglass    風　Swift as the wind 林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu  The Art of War    
(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                             

(") _ (")                                      

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<ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: 
   Meanwhile, there's an Ash-throated Flycatcher in Nassau (West Lido Beach 
Town Park) that is visible from the public parking lot 
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Andrew Block 
I agree with the thought that there should be one place to report rarities so 
everyone can see the reports.  The NYSBirds list is the place where that has 
been done for many years.  I am one of those who doesn't use other sites or 
modern technology to find out about rarities.  I only use the Cornell list and 
don't see why all people don't report there first and then if they want to 
report to other places that's fine.   In my opinion it's selfish not to report 
to a general place first.  I've noticed that this is the same in a lot of the 
other states in the area where some don't report to the state RBA.
Andrew Andrew v. F. Block
Consulting Naturalist
20 Hancock Avenue, Apt. 3
Yonkers, Westchester Co., New York 10705-4629
Phone: 914-963-3080; Cell: 914-319-9701 



  From: Paul R Sweet 
 To: Andrew Baksh  
Cc: Ethan Maitra ; "ebirds...@yahoogroups.com" 
; nysbirds-l 
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 12:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher
   
 As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk 
about some  recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take 
the lead here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that 
are often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings. 
While these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a 
suggestion could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true RBA 
for NYSARC reportable or at least scarce taxa only (nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) and 
the other a site for daily lists and musings on other aspects of local birding 
(ebirds...@yahoogroups.com). Of course the proliferation of bird alerts on 
Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter and various WhatsAp and text alert 
groups add to the confusion. In short it would be great to standardize how and 
where true rare bird info appears. Ideally we should have a true RBA listserve 
like the one that Lloyd ran a few years ago. Over to you Andrew.     Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941 
On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com [ebirdsnyc] 
 wrote: 
   Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. 
More interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to 
me that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.    I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game 
to keep up the generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider 
community. There are a lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using 
any form of social media to communicate. Let's not leave them out.    Thanks    
 "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the 
ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ 
Frederick Douglass    風　Swift as the wind 林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain Sun Tzu  The Art of War    
(\__/)
(= '.'=)                                             

(") _ (")                                      

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On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Ethan Maitra astrobirde...@yahoo.com [ebirdsnyc] 
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   Meanwhile, there's an Ash-throated Flycatcher in Nassau (West Lido Beach 
Town Park) that is visible from the public parking lot 
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-21 Thread Paul R Sweet 
As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk about some  
recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take the lead 
here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that are 
often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings. While 
these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a suggestion 
could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true RBA for NYSARC 
reportable or at least scarce taxa only 
(nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) and the other a site 
for daily lists and musings on other aspects of local birding 
(ebirds...@yahoogroups.com). Of course the 
proliferation of bird alerts on Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter and 
various WhatsAp and text alert groups add to the confusion. In short it would 
be great to standardize how and where true rare bird info appears. Ideally we 
should have a true RBA listserve like the one that Lloyd ran a few years ago. 
Over to you Andrew.

Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh 
birdingd...@gmail.com [ebirdsnyc] 
> 
wrote:

Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. More 
interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to me 
that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.

I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game to keep up the 
generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider community. There are a 
lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using any form of social media 
to communicate. Let's not leave them out.

Thanks


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Ethan Maitra 
astrobirde...@yahoo.com [ebirdsnyc] 
> 
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2016-11-21 Thread Paul R Sweet 
As I think I'm being called out here perhaps let's talk about some  
recommendations on how rarities are reported? Andrew you could take the lead 
here? One problem is that there are two “rare bird alerts” for NY that are 
often filled with run-of-the-mill daily lists and non rarity sightings. While 
these are of interest to some, they dilute the power of an RBA. As a suggestion 
could we make a recommendation that one of these becomes a true RBA for NYSARC 
reportable or at least scarce taxa only 
(nysbirds-l@cornell.edu) and the other a site 
for daily lists and musings on other aspects of local birding 
(ebirds...@yahoogroups.com). Of course the 
proliferation of bird alerts on Social Media such as #birdcp on Twitter and 
various WhatsAp and text alert groups add to the confusion. In short it would 
be great to standardize how and where true rare bird info appears. Ideally we 
should have a true RBA listserve like the one that Lloyd ran a few years ago. 
Over to you Andrew.

Paul Sweet

Paul Sweet | Department of Ornithology | American Museum of Natural History | 
Central Park West @ 79th St | NY 10024 | Tel 212 769 5780 | Mob 718 757 5941

On Nov 20, 2016, at 1:10 PM, Andrew Baksh 
birdingd...@gmail.com [ebirdsnyc] 
mailto:ebirdsnyc-nore...@yahoogroups.com>> 
wrote:

Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. More 
interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to me 
that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.

I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game to keep up the 
generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider community. There are a 
lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using any form of social media 
to communicate. Let's not leave them out.

Thanks


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun 
Tzu
  The Art of 
War

(\__/)
(= '.'=)
(") _ (")
Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device!

Andrew Baksh
www.birdingdude.blogspot.com

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astrobirde...@yahoo.com [ebirdsnyc] 
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wrote:


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2016-11-20 Thread Andrew Baksh 
Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. More 
interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to me 
that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.

I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game to keep up the 
generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider community. There are a 
lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using any form of social media 
to communicate. Let's not leave them out.

Thanks


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 11:07 AM, Ethan Maitra astrobirde...@yahoo.com 
> [ebirdsnyc]  wrote:
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> Meanwhile, there's an Ash-throated Flycatcher in Nassau (West Lido Beach Town 
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-20 Thread Andrew Baksh 
Good point but for many, the Nassau County ATFL might be out of the way. More 
interesting for me, is how the Brooklyn bird was reported. It appears to me 
that we are once again seeing a break down on how rare to uncommon birds are 
being reported.

I'll withhold fire for now but I again urge all in the game to keep up the 
generosity of sharing and sharing early and to the wider community. There are a 
lot of birders who don't text, tweet or are not using any form of social media 
to communicate. Let's not leave them out.

Thanks


"I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of 
others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence." ~ Frederick 
Douglass

風　Swift as the wind
林　Quiet as the forest
火　Conquer like the fire
山　Steady as the mountain
Sun Tzu  The Art of War

> (\__/)
> (= '.'=)
> (") _ (") 
> Sent from somewhere in the field using my mobile device! 

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> [ebirdsnyc]  wrote:
> 
> Meanwhile, there's an Ash-throated Flycatcher in Nassau (West Lido Beach Town 
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-20 Thread brian . whipple 
We did not get the bird after 90 mins of looking. Cops showed up after
that. While they were taking info and issuing summonses, i kept looking.
they were good natured.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM nathan o'reilly natro...@hotmail.com
[ebirdsnyc]  wrote:

>
>
> Did they get the bird before the cops got them?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
> [ebirdsnyc]  wrote:
>
>
>
> Sounds like reality TV. Let us know if any tasing occurs.
>
> "Mek Merika Grate Agin."
>
> 
> "I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the
> ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own
> abhorrence." ~ Frederick Douglass
>
> 風 Swift as the wind
> 林 Quiet as the forest
> 火 Conquer like the fire
> 山 Steady as the mountain
> Sun Tzu   *The Art of War*
> 
>
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Roberta  wrote:
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> There are currently NYPD cops pursuing birders inside fence. They were in
> unmarked car.
>
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:07 AM, brian.whip...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Can the location be clarified? Rob's report says Bushwick Inlet Park but
> mentions "north side of creek." Paul's mentions N 12th St, which is
> adjacent to the Bushwick Inlet ( the "creek"?) but a few blocks north of
> Bushwick Inlet Park.
>
> i'll check both places, but clarification would be helpful.
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:17 PM Rob Jett  wrote:
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> Sorry for the late posting, it didn't go through to the list the first
> time:
>
> As reported by Paul Sweet, found by Dave Nyzio ... just relocated at
> Bushwick Inlet Park. Must access through hole in fence at north side of
> creek. Bird is hawking near fence adjacent to brick building.
>
> Good birding,
>
> Rob
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Re: [ebirdsnyc] Re: [nysbirds-l] Brooklyn Ash-throated Flycatcher

2016-11-20 Thread brian . whipple 
We did not get the bird after 90 mins of looking. Cops showed up after
that. While they were taking info and issuing summonses, i kept looking.
they were good natured.

On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 11:00 AM nathan o'reilly natro...@hotmail.com
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> Did they get the bird before the cops got them?
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:56 AM, Andrew Baksh birdingd...@gmail.com
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> Sounds like reality TV. Let us know if any tasing occurs.
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Roberta  wrote:
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> There are currently NYPD cops pursuing birders inside fence. They were in
> unmarked car.
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> On Nov 20, 2016, at 9:07 AM, brian.whip...@gmail.com wrote:
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> Can the location be clarified? Rob's report says Bushwick Inlet Park but
> mentions "north side of creek." Paul's mentions N 12th St, which is
> adjacent to the Bushwick Inlet ( the "creek"?) but a few blocks north of
> Bushwick Inlet Park.
>
> i'll check both places, but clarification would be helpful.
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2016 at 9:17 PM Rob Jett  wrote:
>
> Sorry for the late posting, it didn't go through to the list the first
> time:
>
> As reported by Paul Sweet, found by Dave Nyzio ... just relocated at
> Bushwick Inlet Park. Must access through hole in fence at north side of
> creek. Bird is hawking near fence adjacent to brick building.
>
> Good birding,
>
> Rob
>
> A
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