Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
Suet is a good idea, but also, meal worms are what the rehabbers give the warblers, and they like them. They can usually be purchased at pet stores as pet food. Ardith Bondi On 10/26/10 7:44 AM, Phil Jeffrey wrote: I think most of us here know that this Prothonotary will probably die of exposure and malnutrition. This is a fate that is the destiny of most of the very late fall vagrants - those Ash-throated Flycatchers aren't going to turn around and make it back to the desert southwest - and in some rare cases actually documented (that dead Western Tanager in NJ that was found a few winters back). Like the Scott's Oriole, this bird is being an opportunistic scavenger. The lay public aren't going to know any better so will treat it like a sparrow. Any birder or photographer who thinks that bread forms any part of normal Prothonotary diet is a total idiot. Any photographer that is using bread to lure the Prothonotary out is a self-centered moron. Go and pick up the bread. Block the photographer's shot. Tell them to go to a pet store and get some suet. Above all, don't play nice, because a photographer that acts like that is thinking only of themselves. Try and educate them if you want, but I advocate more immediate negative feedback. I personally doubt this bird has much chance, but if it is going to have any, it's going to have to get a better diet. Phil Jeffrey -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
I think most of us here know that this Prothonotary will probably die of exposure and malnutrition. This is a fate that is the destiny of most of the very late fall vagrants - those Ash-throated Flycatchers aren't going to turn around and make it back to the desert southwest - and in some rare cases actually documented (that dead Western Tanager in NJ that was found a few winters back). Like the Scott's Oriole, this bird is being an opportunistic scavenger. The lay public aren't going to know any better so will treat it like a sparrow. Any birder or photographer who thinks that bread forms any part of normal Prothonotary diet is a total idiot. Any photographer that is using bread to lure the Prothonotary out is a self-centered moron. Go and pick up the bread. Block the photographer's shot. Tell them to go to a pet store and get some suet. Above all, don't play nice, because a photographer that acts like that is thinking only of themselves. Try and educate them if you want, but I advocate more immediate negative feedback. I personally doubt this bird has much chance, but if it is going to have any, it's going to have to get a better diet. Phil Jeffrey -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
Birders et al, I agree with Ardith. Not all do this be it photographers, birders or others. Please please leave the PRWA along and do not capture it!! IF anything buy some mealworms, bugs to feed it i anything They are bug eaters NOT bread eaters for goodness sake. Bread is like rice it blows up in there tiny stomach and is not goo for them at all! Leave the bird along!! Cheers, Mardi W. Dickinson http://kymry.wordpress.com http://twitter.com/MardiWD On Oct 25, 2010, at 6:18 PM, Ardith Bondi wrote: > Both times I viewed and then photographed the bird, the only ones feeding it > were neither birders nor bird - photographers. > > This bird seems to be managing fine in his unexpected habitat, and who's to > say that human intervention in his case wouldn't do more harm than good. Just > trying to capture it could injure it. The licensed rehabbers just make sure a > bird can fend for itself and release it in a park. > > Just like some bleeding heart human who decided the turkey that was doing > fine in Central Park was cold and needed to be captured, why do we always > think that human intervention is by definition better. The only thing I would > worry about is if some hawk gets him, and that could happen anywhere. > > If the bird isn't happy where it is, presumably it will fly off. What would > be interesting is to see what finally motivates it to go, if at all (cold > weather, leaves dropping from the trees?). The Scott's Oriole got fed by > humans all winter in and around Union Square Park and didn't leave until > April. If this bird becomes injured, that will be a different story, and by > all means, it should be held and fed the usual meal worms until it's better. > > Now, if you want to drive it to a swamp somewhere in the south, maybe around > April sometime, and perhaps introduce it to another PRWA - maybe do a little > matchmaking while you're at it, that might be doing it a favor. > > Ardith Bondi > > > > On 10/25/10 5:25 PM, david speiser wrote: >> The bird is staying around(possibly 3-4 weeks) because people are >> feeding it. This bird is not acting like a wild bird anymore, more like >> a house sparrow. >> The two days I went, random non-birders were feeding it, bologna , bread >> etc... They think its a canary. >> Whether a birder or photographer feeds the PRWA that's a different >> matter. Ultimately, the long term prognosis for this bird probably is >> not good unless a rehabber picks it up, feeds it properly and releases >> it away from one of the busiest spots in NYC. >> >> David Speiser >> www.lilibirds.com >> >> >> >> > From: phil.jeff...@gmail.com >> > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:14:20 -0400 >> > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience >> > To: dri...@yahoo.com >> > CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu >> > >> > Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it >> > could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. >> > >> > Phil Jeffrey >> > >> > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote: >> > > I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. >> > > I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of >> > > bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the >> > > photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. >> > > >> > > Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way >> justifies >> > > his action. >> > > I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out >> when we >> > > see endangering migratory >> > > birds by feeding them. >> > > >> > > Shari Zirlin >> > >> > -- >> > >> > NYSbirds-L List Info: >> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME >> > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES >> > >> > ARCHIVES: >> > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >> > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html >> > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >> > >> > Please submit your observations to eBird: >> > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >> > >> > -- >> > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
RE: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
To clarify, I don't think the bird should be rehabbed. The whole discussion is rather foolish to begin with. The bird will continue to be fed by hundreds of people and will either continue to live or will die from one of many possible dangers. > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 18:18:12 -0400 > From: ard...@earthlink.net > CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience > > Both times I viewed and then photographed the bird, the only ones > feeding it were neither birders nor bird - photographers. > > This bird seems to be managing fine in his unexpected habitat, and who's > to say that human intervention in his case wouldn't do more harm than > good. Just trying to capture it could injure it. The licensed rehabbers > just make sure a bird can fend for itself and release it in a park. > > Just like some bleeding heart human who decided the turkey that was > doing fine in Central Park was cold and needed to be captured, why do we > always think that human intervention is by definition better. The only > thing I would worry about is if some hawk gets him, and that could > happen anywhere. > > If the bird isn't happy where it is, presumably it will fly off. What > would be interesting is to see what finally motivates it to go, if at > all (cold weather, leaves dropping from the trees?). The Scott's Oriole > got fed by humans all winter in and around Union Square Park and didn't > leave until April. If this bird becomes injured, that will be a > different story, and by all means, it should be held and fed the usual > meal worms until it's better. > > Now, if you want to drive it to a swamp somewhere in the south, maybe > around April sometime, and perhaps introduce it to another PRWA - maybe > do a little matchmaking while you're at it, that might be doing it a favor. > > Ardith Bondi > > > > On 10/25/10 5:25 PM, david speiser wrote: > > The bird is staying around(possibly 3-4 weeks) because people are > > feeding it. This bird is not acting like a wild bird anymore, more like > > a house sparrow. > > The two days I went, random non-birders were feeding it, bologna , bread > > etc... They think its a canary. > > Whether a birder or photographer feeds the PRWA that's a different > > matter. Ultimately, the long term prognosis for this bird probably is > > not good unless a rehabber picks it up, feeds it properly and releases > > it away from one of the busiest spots in NYC. > > > > David Speiser > > www.lilibirds.com > > > > > > > > > From: phil.jeff...@gmail.com > > > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:14:20 -0400 > > > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience > > > To: dri...@yahoo.com > > > CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > > > > > Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it > > > could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. > > > > > > Phil Jeffrey > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote: > > > > I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. > > > > I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of > > > > bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the > > > > photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. > > > > > > > > Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way > > justifies > > > > his action. > > > > I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out > > when we > > > > see endangering migratory > > > > birds by feeding them. > > > > > > > > Shari Zirlin > > > > > > -- > > > > > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > > > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > > > > > ARCHIVES: > > > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > > > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > > > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > > > > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > > > > > -- > > > > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
Both times I viewed and then photographed the bird, the only ones feeding it were neither birders nor bird - photographers. This bird seems to be managing fine in his unexpected habitat, and who's to say that human intervention in his case wouldn't do more harm than good. Just trying to capture it could injure it. The licensed rehabbers just make sure a bird can fend for itself and release it in a park. Just like some bleeding heart human who decided the turkey that was doing fine in Central Park was cold and needed to be captured, why do we always think that human intervention is by definition better. The only thing I would worry about is if some hawk gets him, and that could happen anywhere. If the bird isn't happy where it is, presumably it will fly off. What would be interesting is to see what finally motivates it to go, if at all (cold weather, leaves dropping from the trees?). The Scott's Oriole got fed by humans all winter in and around Union Square Park and didn't leave until April. If this bird becomes injured, that will be a different story, and by all means, it should be held and fed the usual meal worms until it's better. Now, if you want to drive it to a swamp somewhere in the south, maybe around April sometime, and perhaps introduce it to another PRWA - maybe do a little matchmaking while you're at it, that might be doing it a favor. Ardith Bondi On 10/25/10 5:25 PM, david speiser wrote: The bird is staying around(possibly 3-4 weeks) because people are feeding it. This bird is not acting like a wild bird anymore, more like a house sparrow. The two days I went, random non-birders were feeding it, bologna , bread etc... They think its a canary. Whether a birder or photographer feeds the PRWA that's a different matter. Ultimately, the long term prognosis for this bird probably is not good unless a rehabber picks it up, feeds it properly and releases it away from one of the busiest spots in NYC. David Speiser www.lilibirds.com > From: phil.jeff...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:14:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience > To: dri...@yahoo.com > CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it > could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. > > Phil Jeffrey > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote: > > I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. > > I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of > > bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the > > photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. > > > > Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies > > his action. > > I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when we > > see endangering migratory > > birds by feeding them. > > > > Shari Zirlin > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
If the birders and phorographers stop feeding the bird, it will continue to
pick up the scraps of food left by everyone else.
That being said, I think it would be much worse and completely irresponsible
to interfere with this bird by actually catching it and trying to
"rehabilitate" it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody picked up a dead
Scott's Oriole in Union Square Park. Leave this warbler alone, and enjoy it
for what it is. It does not need to be fixed.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Arie Gilbert wrote:
> It is my understanding that this bird has been fed by the "residents" for
> some time now, with no apparent ill effects.
>
> I was not aware that warblers ate bread at all. Obviously the bird is being
> effectively opportunistic.
>
> could anyone with much more knowledge on the topic, comment on the
> relative unusualness of a warbler doing so?
> { eating bread}
>
> Arie Gilbert
> No. Babylon, NY
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/25/2010 5:14 PM, Phil Jeffrey wrote:
>
>> Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it
>> could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is.
>>
>> Phil Jeffrey
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote:
>>
>>> I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL.
>>> I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of
>>> bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the
>>> photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it.
>>>
>>> Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies
>>> his action.
>>> I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when
>>> we
>>> see endangering migratory
>>> birds by feeding them.
>>>
>>> Shari Zirlin
>>>
>> --
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>> 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html
>> 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L
>>
>> Please submit your observations to eBird:
>> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
It is my understanding that this bird has been fed by the "residents"
for some time now, with no apparent ill effects.
I was not aware that warblers ate bread at all. Obviously the bird is
being effectively opportunistic.
could anyone with much more knowledge on the topic, comment on the
relative unusualness of a warbler doing so?
{ eating bread}
Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY
On 10/25/2010 5:14 PM, Phil Jeffrey wrote:
Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it
could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is.
Phil Jeffrey
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote:
I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL.
I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of
bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the
photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it.
Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies
his action.
I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when we
see endangering migratory
birds by feeding them.
Shari Zirlin
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RE: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
The bird is staying around(possibly 3-4 weeks) because people are feeding it. This bird is not acting like a wild bird anymore, more like a house sparrow. The two days I went, random non-birders were feeding it, bologna , bread etc... They think its a canary. Whether a birder or photographer feeds the PRWA that's a different matter. Ultimately, the long term prognosis for this bird probably is not good unless a rehabber picks it up, feeds it properly and releases it away from one of the busiest spots in NYC. David Speiser www.lilibirds.com > From: phil.jeff...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:14:20 -0400 > Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience > To: dri...@yahoo.com > CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu > > Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it > could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. > > Phil Jeffrey > > On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote: > > I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. > > I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of > > bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the > > photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. > > > > Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies > > his action. > > I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when we > > see endangering migratory > > birds by feeding them. > > > > Shari Zirlin > > -- > > NYSbirds-L List Info: > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME > http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES > > ARCHIVES: > 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html > 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html > 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L > > Please submit your observations to eBird: > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ > > -- > -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. Phil Jeffrey On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu wrote: > I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. > I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of > bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the > photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. > > Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies > his action. > I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when we > see endangering migratory > birds by feeding them. > > Shari Zirlin -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. Phil Jeffrey On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu dri...@yahoo.com wrote: I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies his action. I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when we see endangering migratory birds by feeding them. Shari Zirlin -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
If the birders and phorographers stop feeding the bird, it will continue to
pick up the scraps of food left by everyone else.
That being said, I think it would be much worse and completely irresponsible
to interfere with this bird by actually catching it and trying to
rehabilitate it. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody picked up a dead
Scott's Oriole in Union Square Park. Leave this warbler alone, and enjoy it
for what it is. It does not need to be fixed.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 5:30 PM, Arie Gilbert ariegilb...@optonline.netwrote:
It is my understanding that this bird has been fed by the residents for
some time now, with no apparent ill effects.
I was not aware that warblers ate bread at all. Obviously the bird is being
effectively opportunistic.
could anyone with much more knowledge on the topic, comment on the
relative unusualness of a warbler doing so?
{ eating bread}
Arie Gilbert
No. Babylon, NY
On 10/25/2010 5:14 PM, Phil Jeffrey wrote:
Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it
could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is.
Phil Jeffrey
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbudri...@yahoo.com wrote:
I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL.
I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of
bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the
photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it.
Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies
his action.
I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when
we
see endangering migratory
birds by feeding them.
Shari Zirlin
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Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience
Both times I viewed and then photographed the bird, the only ones feeding it were neither birders nor bird - photographers. This bird seems to be managing fine in his unexpected habitat, and who's to say that human intervention in his case wouldn't do more harm than good. Just trying to capture it could injure it. The licensed rehabbers just make sure a bird can fend for itself and release it in a park. Just like some bleeding heart human who decided the turkey that was doing fine in Central Park was cold and needed to be captured, why do we always think that human intervention is by definition better. The only thing I would worry about is if some hawk gets him, and that could happen anywhere. If the bird isn't happy where it is, presumably it will fly off. What would be interesting is to see what finally motivates it to go, if at all (cold weather, leaves dropping from the trees?). The Scott's Oriole got fed by humans all winter in and around Union Square Park and didn't leave until April. If this bird becomes injured, that will be a different story, and by all means, it should be held and fed the usual meal worms until it's better. Now, if you want to drive it to a swamp somewhere in the south, maybe around April sometime, and perhaps introduce it to another PRWA - maybe do a little matchmaking while you're at it, that might be doing it a favor. Ardith Bondi On 10/25/10 5:25 PM, david speiser wrote: The bird is staying around(possibly 3-4 weeks) because people are feeding it. This bird is not acting like a wild bird anymore, more like a house sparrow. The two days I went, random non-birders were feeding it, bologna , bread etc... They think its a canary. Whether a birder or photographer feeds the PRWA that's a different matter. Ultimately, the long term prognosis for this bird probably is not good unless a rehabber picks it up, feeds it properly and releases it away from one of the busiest spots in NYC. David Speiser www.lilibirds.com From: phil.jeff...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:14:20 -0400 Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Prothonotary Warbler-my experience To: dri...@yahoo.com CC: nysbirds-l@cornell.edu Everyone is *not* doing it, and in instances like this I think it could be helpful to figure out who the photographer is. Phil Jeffrey On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 4:32 PM, drilbu dri...@yahoo.com wrote: I just returned from viewing the Warbler at the NYPL. I was very annoyed to witness a photographer feeding the bird pieces of bread to tease it out from behind the bushes. When I confronted the photographer, he said to me, everyone is doing it. Whether everyone was doing it or not, it is wrong and in no way justifies his action. I think as people who love and respect wildlife we should speak out when we see endangering migratory birds by feeding them. Shari Zirlin -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html 3) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
