Re: OODL: Java VM and bytecodes as models

1999-11-10 Thread Michael Fair
Using the GCC underlying architecture will create licensing problems unless we reimplement the whole shebang. Reimplementing the whole thing does not sound like an inviting proposition, so I do not balme one bit. In fact, I am very much for putting this kind of development on hole for right

Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: OODL: Re: Business purposes: no profit, plus forking]]]]

1999-11-10 Thread eric-engle
Is the font New York available on winDoze? I agree, courier is an excellent choice for the font. We should use fonts which are standard and readily available on both platforms - helvetica is not unreadable in bold format at 12 points and up. I suppose palatino is also unavailable... what

Re: [Forking for Business [was Re: OODL: Re: Business purposes: no profit, plus forking]]

1999-11-10 Thread eric-engle
DeRobertis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we'd have to say that you can use the source for any purpose OUTSIDE of the partnership -- a fork (of organization, not code). Eric: That is my understanding, but if I am wrong please correct me - that we do not envision restricting use or sale of

Re: OODL: Clerks and voting (was Suggestions: 1 repeat, 2 new -- vision stuff)

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Uli: Mark, everything has its time and place, and at this time, this list is the place for licence discussions. Alain: Yup! Uli: I think having an FAQ is a great idea. Alain: Indeed! Uli: I don't have much time at hand to do something like this ... I can hardly keep working on my stuff and

Re: [Re: OODL: Re: Partnership Agreement]

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Eric: harrumph...legally speaking...there are no such things as empty words harumph Alain: It just seems that way to us non-lawyer types! Eric: (:-] Alain: What does this smiley mean? Eric: Uli, this is in need of optimization. If 20 partners want more than 20 partners, they can have more --

OODL: Forking for Business

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
DeRobertis: I think we'd have to say that you can use the source for any purpose OUTSIDE of the partnership -- a fork (of organization, not code). Eric: That is my understanding, but if I am wrong please correct me - that we do not envision restricting use or sale of source code by third

Re: [OODL: No business purposes]

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Alain: We cannot collectively do anything commercial, but partners can form commercial ventures on their own. That's is what you are suggesting, right? Eric: Yes Alain: Will these commercial ventures contribute anything to the coffers of the group so that we can become self-financing?

OODL: Partnership

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Eric: Er, the partnership envisioned would be between the persons who are working on this project. Alain: Who are we? How many are we? Its early still. Eric: Not with metaCard. With metaCard we would (probably) enter, as a partnership into a contract. Alain: Yes, I agree that MetaCard comes

Re: OODL: Java VM and bytecodes as models

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Michael Fair: Using the GCC underlying architecture will create licensing problems unless we reimplement the whole shebang. Alain: We must avoid licencing problems. What are they in this case? Michael Fair: Reimplementing the whole thing does not sound like an inviting proposition, so I do not

Re: OODL: Forking for Business

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Alain: We may want to put restrictions on the uses of OpenKard and its derivatives, though. For example, do we allow a company to make just enough modifications to our source code (e.g. a fork) and scoop our entire effort, and make a bundle with it? Uli: I do not want someone to rip us off by

Re: OODL: Voting - Alain's comments

1999-11-10 Thread Alain Farmer
Alain: 1. If a clear winner does not emerge from this first voting round, then I suggest that we eliminate the alternatives that are the least chosen. Several rounds later we will have the only the cream of the crop leftover. Uli: So far it doesn't look as if this were happening. Alain:

Re: [Re: OODL: Re: Partnership Agreement]

1999-11-10 Thread DeRobertis
At 3:37 AM -0700 on 11/10/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: harrumph...legally speaking...there are no such things as empty words harumph (:-] Uli, this is in need of optimization. Consider: If 20 partners want more than 20 partners, they can have more -- they have unamity, they can change the

Partnership and Contracts [was Re: [OODL: Re Eric - GUI andmiscellaneous]]

1999-11-10 Thread DeRobertis
At 3:14 AM -0700 on 11/10/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not with metaCard. With metaCard we would (probably) enter, as a partnership into a contract. In exactly the same way, our end-user license would be between 'us' (a partnership to be formed) and the end-user. Would it be possible to write in

Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: [Re: OODL: Re: Business purposes: no profit,plus forking]]]]

1999-11-10 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
It is imprecise. Try to adjust a vectorial drawing by one pixel. Try. And watch me laugh ... and scream... Eric, this depends wholly on the implementation. Claris' products are very inaccurate because they do constant conversion between units, which causes things to move around from time to

Re: OODL: No business purposes

1999-11-10 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
Alain, you mis-attributed the following comments made by Eric to me. Uli: Really, once you open up business purposes you open up potential liability for contracts entered into by your partners. True, partners owe each other a fiduciary duty ... sorta like marriage, you have to watch out for

Re: OODL: Voting - Alain's comments

1999-11-10 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
1. If a clear winner does not emerge from this first voting round, then I suggest that we eliminate the alternatives that are the least chosen. Several rounds later we will have the only the cream of the crop leftover. So far it doesn't look as if this were happening. 2. Some of the names in

Re: OODL: Graphics format

1999-11-10 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
Alain: It would be really cool if we adopted PNG as our graphics format. It's new, light-weight, Web-savvy, buzzword-compliant, standards-based (W3C), widely-supported ... It is essentially vector-based graphics with bitmap-like rendering. Alain, I wasn't aware that PNG was a vector format.

Re: OODL: Re Eric - GUI and miscellaneous

1999-11-10 Thread M. Uli Kusterer
Alain: Play it safe by ascertaining the type and format of the graphics that will effectively be used by our programmers. Alain, Eric, the format is not a problem as long as it's a loss-less format. E.g. if you don't use many gradients, you can use GIF, if you have many gradients and smooth