to ask the HyperCard list for supporters?
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ack to that UI issue, the interpreter and the block file ...
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Macs many
HyperCard users have (BTW, I just met someone who has HyperCard 1.1,
djeezuz!)
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Anthony,
ok, we've had our fun, the name is right. Let's get rid of the "(sp?)", ok?
:-)
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Anthony: For example, if I became UI leader, and decided to make OpenCard
use a CLI
Short question: What is a CLI?
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Anthony: I think Uli tried that. I don't know his final result, though.
Hi,
didn't get it to compile under CW, didn't try that hard though. I had MPW
installed for a while and with that it almost worked.
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the
Windows test compile.
Adrian,
that sounds great. If he gets on board, please tell him to get in touch
with me so I can send him a little testing program. It's all in an ANSI
console-window so far, which should compile to the DOS console without
trouble.
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as powerful as Python, or Perl.
Michael,
you can either write a couple of XCMDs/XFCNs in a shared library for this
purpose, or if you want to stay in MetaTalk, use the "insert script"
command.
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e have
at the moment is a few scraps of code, no more.
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charge for the stuff thex create using OpenCard (i.e. the stacks
they create).
I think if that is guaranteed, there shouldn't be a problem.
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no :-( Basic only.
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by the Executive, and only the
stack can examine the password file.
Combine that with a confirmation e-mail ("you just voted for xy") and we
should have a means to prevent mis-use.
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the original source? This
would be something we could do, probably.
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APIs, but we'd get pretty cross-compilable sources for the
rest of the app this way, w/o the need to design a window manager ourselves.
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only one who's running MacOS alone... Well, I have this old
Atari STf some floors above me in a box ... ;-)
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as well, most of
them purely my personal preference and have absolutely no
basis in anything other than my own mind share.
Note them on a sheet of paper and keep them somewhere safe. We'll need
them when we're further down the road.
GnuCard with GnuTalk or OpenCard
wnload area again? What do I have to do to upload
XBlockFile there, and can I DL an interpreter snapshot there?
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this word being used on
humans.
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), it'd be an implementation nightmare. And
people will have problems understanding it.
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have their preferred language, and we'd need a compiler that
supports all of the used languages on *every* platform.
Personally, I'd be happy to offer suggestions (if desired) as to
interface design, and to do testing of software.
No problem, fire at will :
iler. A JITC, maybe, but I think
one of HyperTalk's greatest advantages is that you can easily change a
thing and re-run, without needing to re-compile anything. It's a speed
improvement and much more user-friendly.
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commercial projects (=OpenCard stacks) using the program
when it's finished to get a revenue later on.
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ile format
and the interpreter on two platforms) it'll get increasingly easy to build
on that.
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? You know, 10% of
time could be used to add to OpenCard, or fix bugs... I'd love if you
stayed tuned and got to help us from time to time.
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There is an interpreter release scheduled for this Sunday. Would you like a
copy?
Yep. I could try and work with the source to compile in Visual C++
Do you also want the first step of the block file format?
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lator. It's CPU is (a holdover from the JITC attempt)
called the "NullCPU"
Ok.
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k, draw etc. messages and
thus allow doing custom objects. But I think we could discuss that on the
xTalk list, too. MC is also looking for things like this right now, and I
prefer standardized stuff to everybody cooking their very own sou
automatically starts using a stack and
stops it again when any handler in some script is run. But that's a case
for the xTalk list.
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ave a cross-platform UI lib, I thought I'd offer you
those.
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and menus from a file via index. No problem. Currently all that's
hard-coded into wxWindows programs' sources, which makes localization a
nightmare.
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pt") we can't use that as we don't have a message-passing
hierarchy or objects, which is why that may have "include".
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FunnyFunnyFunny, Mr Kusterer.
Dylan,
sorry. "couldn't resist". I admit it, I'm Seinfeld's evil twin.
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buttons have their corners rounded the same
way etc. Also, you have to add support for colors, that is, your code
should be able to draw the outline of a button using a different color than
the text, the contents, or the shadow. We need to take HC into the colored
dimension here.
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, not MetaCard's!!!
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not need
rectangular buttons, but others will. And if we create another
half-solution like MetaCard or SuperCard or OMO, we better stop now and
don't waste our breath and time.
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whoever does the button styles so they can be converted to wx drawing code.
Also, HyperCard's buttons aren't crappy looking IMHO. And now please don't
tell me we don't need oval buttons! That was one of the features I liked
best about 2.2.
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ngle and Shadow.
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native button
style, we can later introduce bevel buttons which will be guaranteed to be
square. l8R!
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MacOS and Windows are optimized for speed. We'll get a penalty with
arbitrarily shaped buttons since they have to be very generic. Thus, I'd
suggest in the interest of future speed benchmarks we support oval and
roundrect. End of speech.
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r. You won' find anyone using a default button that is roundRect to
do their Windows app. They want native look and feel as badly as we do.
Yeah okay, whatever about all the button stuff for now. Agree to disagree eh.
Right.
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HyperCard's oval button for a good
example on how this'll work.
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at the moment, I'm going to download wx1 tonight to see whether
that could be used. From what I've read we can, with some careful coding,
create code that can later be adapted to wx2.
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that be cool to have in OpenCard?
I have to admit wx is rather large at the moment, but maybe it'll be
smaller when compiled under MPW? Care to try it?
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variables. Agreed? Separate lines like above, maybe with a comment between
them, should suffice.
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. Of course, all
of that doesn't have to happen now. Rather, "next" after whatever exams,
interpreters or money-earning you have to do before that.
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Hi,
everyone interested can now download XBlockFile at:
http://www.online.de/home/witness/xbf.hqx
You need StuffIt 5 or better to extract it (http://www.aladdinsys.com)
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*/ for files I don't want
to accidentally be included as C source, so I thought that was what was
for, too.
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Well that's essentially what you have and this is what I want. Will a Public
Domain License cover this?
Public Domain means no rights whatsoever. I'm not sure we'd want this ?
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then, but anyhow...).
They even had an iMac at their reception desk, but every other person I
met seemed to be strictly Anti-Mac :-(
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thousand hacked versions running around. I don't know.
If we do that, I'll really bite. Or bark and leave the premises. That
wouldn't be free and open.
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unlimited number of users.
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on that. We should have at max three or four different
licenses. If every component has a different one it'd be too inconvenient
and OC wouldn't catch on.
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THEIR thing without being handicapped by the
technologies. And I make money doing this. Is this altruism or not?
In my eye, it isn't. This is collaboration, compromise. This is everything
democracy has at its core, it isn't altruism. Democracy, though it profits
from altruism, doesn't need it
do ? Why should we watch out for it ?
Only Uli should :) He knows eg
BTW, Anthony, we still need to come up with the Fireball (or what'd we name
it?) protocol for Resurrection/ResCraft, don't we?
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they don't. He had good intentions, whatever McCarthy said.
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the last
backslash, you get
http://ufp.uqam.ca/opencardindex.html
which misses a slash and therefore doesn't work. So, we finally have a web
page again which describes OC a bit better to others.
thank you for getting the Server back into a state that we can use it, Alain!
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the #@@!# plugins. (OK, so it's three lines of
assembly, but, still...)
I'd prefer if we came up with something there together. Could you send me
your draft so I can see whether it's work for Resurrection?
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a concept that has been proven over and
over again to be one of the best ways in some cases to keep a community
alive.
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necessary.
Whatever may happen in the future, at the moment compiled code still *is*
faster.
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Marx' concepts a while earlier.
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and release this as copyrighted
FreeWare and require people to give credit to us somewhere visible and
would also prohibit selling the sources or removing any copyright notes. Of
course, mis-use would be rather easy, but there'd still be people who'd
send in the sources.
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to satisfy their "need" by pluder of a more successfull nation (i.e.,
one that is capitalistic)
Anthony,
this war is not due to altruism, it's due to inequality. I'd sign
"inequality causes war", but I won't sign that it's altruis
usually hear from first-graders when I'm
on that camping trip when I need to tell them to go to bed. ANthony, you
aren't stupid, so please get back to providing real arguments instead of
Yes, No, Yes again, no again.
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uot;if", "repeat" or
"try", and the command is parsed according to its own rule.
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commercial distribution.
I don't have time to run after every mis-use. I think furthering Open
Source is worth having someone else sell it. But I don't want the sources
to be sold for money.
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ey can DL it, that is. We need to make sure of that.
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interpreter
editor
viewer
etc.
if we used wxWindows we'd have a lot less files, because we'd simply point
people at the wxWindows web site.
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enCard sources under the official name.
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penCard (=the actual
application) with your stacks etc.
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data types then. I don't like the way CompileIt handles
variable types and I like its way to do record fields even less.
CompileIt's way how one does typecasting, data typing, record fields and
arrays is not xTalk-ish enough. So, if we get real arrays, I don't mind.
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ame reason).
I think you best see how good the Simpsons are as a satire in the comics.
They're so thought-through. The best one I've read was the "Radioactive
Man" series, which made a fool of every comic series I know.
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o anything that goes beyond what HyperTalk
can do.
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:).
Wait, isn't that what it says on the cash register when Maggie is
registered? NRA is the rifles association with Heston, right?
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to save a block hierarchy. This will result in "owned"
blocks, where one can search all blocks which are "childs" of a particular
block. E.g. this would then only look for buttons on one card, and not in
the whole stack as would be necessary right now.
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put (integer) 15 into myVar
end mouseUp
But I would like if records where more like objects, e.g.
put 12 into the windowKind of myWindowPointer
(that is, for CompileIt, for OpenCard windows should be a built-in typ
We could ship in tokenized form, but the tokenized form is platform-specific.
Anthony,
what makes it platform-specific? Can we convert tokenized scripts somehow
(e.g. if it's just an alignment issue) or is it *really* platform-dependent?
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I prefer Put boolean 4 at pointer myPointer.
"put at"? I find that nowhere in my grammar book ?
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ould throw an exception on parameter
mismatch.
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Hi,
just asking: has anyone yet written some cross-platform array class in
which I can store lists of pointers? Or what ANSI C++ class would I have to
use (vector?) and how?
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this wrong:
IncWell is the distributor of SuperCard. FourthWorld produces SuperCard
tools, that is SC projects, XCMDs and XFCNs. There's still a reason for OC
to exist.
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.
compatible interpreter to execute your stack. For
instance if Hypercard were Open Source, none of those
stacks could be considered derived works because I
could load them into Metacard.
MetaCard has no problem opening HyperCard stacks ...
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in HelloWorld.cpp. What does egcc expect?
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and the remaining 90% will have to live with
it. OTOH, they *should* be on a licensing list.
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, though, to indicate this
comes from the OpenCard tree, but we shouldn't require it. No harm in
nudging people in the direction we want them to go, but if we force them to
think our way they'll jump the boat.
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as yours, and then we'd have two people writing fast code, and
not just one. After all, Open Source doesn't mean just giving away code --
it means sharing code, work force, etc.
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needed and also descriptions what you did to get strange
responses, step-by-step, and if possible with a copy of the file each time
you quit, compact, stream or import/export. That is, I need testing and bug
reports.
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The block file code should assign ID's -- it can no doubt most efficently
alloocate them, and most efficently protect from duplication.
This would be another class on top of XBlockFile, e.g. XStackFile. Ok?
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d even fix
bugs in their code if they made it general enough that it can be integrated
into our distribution, and if they submitted the source to us.
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ot;, for example, while "integer" is used for
integer numbers etc.
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HyperCard 2.x.
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RY RESULTING FROM SUCH PARTY'S NEGLIGENCE TO THE EXTENT
APPLICABLE LAW PROHIBITS SUCH LIMITATION. SOME JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW
THE EXCLUSION OR LIMITATION OF INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, SO THAT
EXCLUSION AND LIMITATION MAY NOT APPLY TO YOU.
- snip! -
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e might think that's only the
part behind the comma. "Real" would work for mathematicians, but no
computer stuff like "float" or "double".
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World.cpp...don't know how...I'll have to try
again.
May I return that rock to you? Might be a good place to hide under after
that mistake :-)
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And one more thing: Have to block file system assign ID's. Leaves it open
to improvement.
Anthony,
English, please. What are you trying to say?
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][500] w/o needing the map be large enough to hold
500 blocks?
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ional [number]" and "integer". Mathematically correct and
English. "real" also has another meaning in English, so who cares?
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ool.
Especially I need: adding/deleting items (=resizing the array), and what
limits the classes have (i.e. It should use unsigned longs for indices or
we'll have a severe limit on stack size).
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ht
ould speed up e.g. getting a list of all buttons.
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