Re: HXP

2004-04-30 Thread Elpidio Latorilla
Emmm, I cant answer that Dave. But I am sure Horst will illuminate us on this. I can speculate it to be via libs or drivers. Not sure though. elpidio On Friday 30 April 2004 14:49, David Forslund wrote: I have some questions about jabber. Can a non-jabber client talk to a jabber server with

Re: HXP

2004-04-29 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... Telephone1/telephone2 and similar ideas are really not good modelling, and will almost instantly break, as well as having limited use from the outset in widely different cultures/environments. Thomas, Just as an example, how would OpenEHR model

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-27 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Tuesday 27 April 2004 01:28, David Forslund wrote: ... adoption ... HL7's primary problem, in my mind, is its lack of sufficient constraints, One is required to read the implementation manual. I think the thing I would most like to change about HL7 is the policy on release of

[xzilla@users.sourceforge.net: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] [jforman@tecso.com.br: RES: Database comparison question]]

2004-04-27 Thread Karsten Hilbert
Here is a reaction by the PostgreSQL advocacy team regarding the recent database comparison question with several more and less fair pieces of writing posted. Karsten - Forwarded message from Robert Treat [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Karsten, I've written up some brief answers regarding

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-27 Thread David Forslund
At 07:15 AM 4/27/2004, Adrian Midgley wrote: On Tuesday 27 April 2004 01:28, David Forslund wrote: ... adoption ... HL7's primary problem, in my mind, is its lack of sufficient constraints, One is required to read the implementation manual. I think the thing I would most like to change

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-27 Thread Horst Herb
On Wednesday 28 April 2004 04:06, David Forslund wrote: I completely agree with you.  I keep bringing this problem to the HL7 Board, but have heard no real response other than it is their business model. I wasn't aware HL7 was a business. Horst

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-27 Thread Pat
Horst Herb wrote: On Wednesday 28 April 2004 04:06, David Forslund wrote: I completely agree with you. I keep bringing this problem to the HL7 Board, but have heard no real response other than it is their business model. I wasn't aware HL7 was a business. Neither was I. I thought the

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-27 Thread David Forslund
HL7.org is a business as is every other standards body. They have membership fees and must have a balance sheet to keep the organization afloat. HL7 sells things even to their membership. The OMG, by contrast, sells nothing but requires membership fees. The specs, once complete are freely

Re: [Fwd: Speex 1.1.5 Unstable - A voice compression format (codec).]

2004-04-27 Thread Tim Churches
On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 19:23, J. Antas wrote: Speex 1.1.5 Unstable by Jean-Marc Valin (http://freshmeat.net/~jmvalin/) Wednesday, April 21st 2004 20:40 About: Speex is a patent-free compression format designed especially for speech. It is specialized for voice communications at low

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-27 Thread Tim Churches
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 23:15, Adrian Midgley wrote: I think the thing I would most like to change about HL7 is the policy on release of its documentation, where a modest sum is required of anyone who wants a copy of it, and therefore instead of a standard which the owners would like everyone

Re: Australian Health Connect

2004-04-27 Thread David Forslund
What do folks down under know about this work? I would appreciate comments. http://www.health.gov.au/healthconnect/hc_architecture/sa_consult.html There was a note about this on this list over a year ago, but I'm interested in people's assessment. Thanks, Dave

Re: Re: Australian Health Connect

2004-04-27 Thread Tim Churches
David Forslund [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do folks down under know about this work? I would appreciate comments. There was a note about this on this list over a year ago, but I'm interested in people's assessment. Any particular aspects, Dave? It is a fairly large, multi-headed

Re: poor IT = poor system architecting and risk management?

2004-04-25 Thread Calle Hedberg
Hi, The eGov discussion forum run by the Univ of Manchester group (Richard Heeks et al) contains a wealth of experiences and info related to this discussion: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/egov4dev/ Regards calle

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-24 Thread Calle Hedberg
David, Those are observations worth considerably more than a nickle. During all my years working with development of information system solutions for and in developing countries, I've also come to realise that the OS community spiritas you call it is far more crucial than license rules. I'm

Re: a cautious pitch

2004-04-24 Thread Elpidio Latorilla
Hi all, here is a simple demo of how you can upload your scanned documents to your remote server. This attempts to show how hxp makes all of these things very trivial to implement (specially if you use python). Please follow: http://hxp.sourceforge.net/demo_imgclient_scanner.html Some notes

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-24 Thread David W. Forslund
I certainly don't think ebXML is perfect by any means. But even if we all agree on a single semantic framework, we still need the equivalent of XML, if not XML. Basically you have to tag your data some way. XML is reasonable. We don't ship data in XML format in PIDS or COAS (although we

Re: poor IT = poor system architecting and risk management?

2004-04-24 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 22:38, Wayne Wilson wrote: | I find 'best practice' to be most often a management technique, rather then an engineering practice. Having engineering practice available is no guarantee of success, it all depends upon the people doing the work and the

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Thomas Beale
Horst Herb wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:37, Thomas Beale wrote: Thomas, Is this going to be Free/Open Source software? it's government funded, so it should be! It should, of course. But so far I am not aware of any government funded health software projects that resulted in open

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Thomas Beale
Andrew Ho wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Horst Herb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:11, Tim Churches wrote: Thomas, Horst and Tim, So, just to clarify. I gather that none you know of any specific plan to publish the Australian

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread David Chan
Perhaps I'll add my nickle's worth here. I have personally come to believe that an Open Source project is characterized by an openness to collaborate with others. If one is to work on an OS project alone then gives it away for free - that makes the person a Santa Claus! I have in fact learned that

Re: poor IT = poor system architecting and risk management?

2004-04-23 Thread Wayne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Thomas Beale wrote: | | Some of you no doubt get the UK e-health letter, but I think it's worth | posting the link to this story IT projects fail because best practice | not applied | I find 'best practice' to be most often a management technique,

poor system architecting and risk management open source

2004-04-23 Thread Wayne Wilson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Wayne Wilson wrote: | Thomas Beale wrote: | | | | Some of you no doubt get the UK e-health letter, but I think it's worth | | posting the link to this story IT projects fail because best practice | | not applied | | | I find 'best practice' to be most

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Joseph Dal Molin
To add to David's and Wayne's perspectives and borrowing a quote from another colleague with a slight edit from me: the perfect is often the enemy of the good [enough] Joseph On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 06:02, David Chan wrote: Perhaps I'll add my nickle's worth here. I have personally come to

Re: hxp, was Re: domain-expert modifiable systems, was RE: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Andrew Ho
On Thu, 22 Apr 2004, David Forslund wrote: ... The hxp effort begins by indexing the various XML structures that different free/open-source systems use. From there, we can discuss and move toward standardization. This is my understanding and hope for the hxp project. What about ebXML?

Re: poor IT = poor system architecting and risk management?

2004-04-23 Thread Tim Churches
On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 22:38, Wayne Wilson wrote: Thomas Beale wrote: | | Some of you no doubt get the UK e-health letter, but I think it's worth | posting the link to this story IT projects fail because best practice | not applied | I find 'best practice' to be most often a management

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Tim Churches
On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 23:11, Joseph Dal Molin wrote: To add to David's and Wayne's perspectives and borrowing a quote from another colleague with a slight edit from me: the perfect is often the enemy of the good [enough] Apparent there is some debate whether it was von Clausewitz or Voltaire

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Friday 23 April 2004 02:38, Horst Herb wrote: It should, of course. But so far I am not aware of any government funded health software projects that resulted in open source code - ever. VistA? -- Adrian Midgley (Linux desktop) GP, Exeter http://www.defoam.net/

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-23 Thread Tim Churches
On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 20:02, David Chan wrote: Perhaps I'll add my nickle's worth here. I have personally come to believe that an Open Source project is characterized by an openness to collaborate with others. If one is to work on an OS project alone then gives it away for free - that makes

Re: Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-22 Thread Tim Churches
Horst Herb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:11, Tim Churches wrote: It should, of course. But so far I am not aware of any government funded health software projects that resulted in open source code - ever. How about VistA? And then there are all the health

Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-22 Thread Andrew Ho
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Horst Herb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:11, Tim Churches wrote: Thomas, Horst and Tim, So, just to clarify. I gather that none you know of any specific plan to publish the Australian implementation of OpenEHR under an open

Re: Re: Australian OpenEHR implementation, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-22 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Horst Herb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 12:11, Tim Churches wrote: Thomas, Horst and Tim, So, just to clarify. I gather that none you know of any specific plan to publish the

Re: Python works with Zope like Microsoft C# works with .Net, Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-21 Thread Andrew Ho
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Andrew, you specified Microsoft C#, not just C#. Tim, At this point, I am not aware of any difference between Microsoft C# and C#. Both should work fine with Mono. Details matter. If you say so. Best regards, Andrew --- Andrew P. Ho, M.D.

Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-21 Thread Karsten Hilbert
However, I do think PostgreSQL does have foreign key support. For years. Karsten -- GPG key ID E4071346 @ wwwkeys.pgp.net E167 67FD A291 2BEA 73BD 4537 78B9 A9F9 E407 1346

Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-21 Thread Karsten Hilbert
Dan, here's a deep link into the PostgreSQL advocacy site: http://advocacy.postgresql.org/advantages/ The site has more. Gee, guys, who'd consider MySQL fit for mission-/life-critical data ? It supports silent autot-runcation of values should your application happen to insert an integer too

Re: Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-21 Thread Karsten Hilbert
I believe there is truth to all they present but I also know that they've got a built-in bias toward Microsoft products which leaves me suspecting that they've left something out of the comparison. They left out PostgreSQL. I apologize for throwing a lighted match into gasoline here, but

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-21 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 11:10, Thomas Beale wrote: Let's use the term strongly-but-dynamically typed instead of the pejorative weakly typed for Python, Ruby, Smalltalk etc, even though weakly typed is more common. Firstly, if you send a message of the wrong type to a

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-21 Thread Karsten Hilbert
those are manipulated, and the results are handled, by significant amounts of Perl, written nowadays in an object-oriented fashion. I suppose astronomers are good at picking sense out of noiseg but they do seem to be maintaining it. Admittedly, Perl *syntax* is cryptic but that doesn't

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Karsten Hilbert
I am quite interested to know why so many people use Python 1) It works in both Free and non-Free worlds. 2) Easy to read 3) Easy to learn 4) Easy to extend 5) Works with Zope I should certainly like to point out that, (to my knowledge) no, Python does not work with Zope but rather Zope

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Thomas Beale
Andrew Ho wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... Two comments about untyped languages: Thomas, What is the definition of untyped language? I was being sloppy. To be correct I should have said 'weakly typed'. There are various dimensions of typing in languages actually.

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Churches
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 11:10, Thomas Beale wrote: Tim Churches wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 13:51, Thomas Beale wrote: The way all the Eiffel stuff works on every platform is simply bridge pattern all over the place, plus platform specific binding libraries. Ah, yes. Gang

Re: Python works with Zope like Microsoft C# works with .Net, Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Churches
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 04:05, Andrew Ho wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Karsten Hilbert wrote: ... I should certainly like to point out that, (to my knowledge) no, Python does not work with Zope but rather Zope is written in Python. Karsten, Maybe our respective understanding of work with

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... There are various dimensions of typing in languages actually. Thomas, I agree completely. My understanding of the object-oriented approach is that it is exactly an extension of typing to theoretically unlimited dimensions. Statically typed means

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Churches
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 05:42, Andrew Ho wrote: Why do you think physicians especially would find Python readable? 1) Zope DTML and Python have simple syntax. 2) No need to compile. 3) Direct mapping of code fragments to URL. 4) 100% web-browser accessible programming + runtime integrated

Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Daniel L. Johnson
Dear List, I was recently sent the following table comparing SQL databases, comparing MySQL with SQL Server 2000. http://www.danlj.org/~danlj/OpenSource/Database_Comparisons.doc.html It does not seem accurate to me, and it omits PostgreSQL. 1: are the MySQL feature limitations cited accurate?

Conflating Python with Zope and C# with .Net, was Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 21 Apr 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... Thomas asked why physicians would find Python readable, not Zope. You are conflating Python with Zope again, Andrew. Tim, Is that the same as conflating C# with .Net? :-) Best regards, Andrew --- Andrew P. Ho, M.D. OIO: Open Infrastructure for

Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Jeff Gunther
Hi Dan, Everything listed in this document looks correct except for the Transaction Support item. MySQL with the InnoDB table type does support transactions. Nevertheless, MySQL has been an excellent solution for many of our projects. This table should include another row Cross Platform.

Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Daniel L. Johnson wrote: Dear List, I was recently sent the following table comparing SQL databases, comparing MySQL with SQL Server 2000. http://www.danlj.org/~danlj/OpenSource/Database_Comparisons.doc.html Dan, Who is the author of this? It does not seem accurate

Re: Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread David Forslund
MySQL also supports Transactions just fine. (and is free even for non-GPL code). What does the table have to do with open source, since SQL Server isn't open source. There are a lot of non-open source DB solutions. Why compare to that one? Dave On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 15:08, Andrew Ho wrote:

RES: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread John L. Forman
This is one side (I lost the URL where I found this comparison)... 1.10.2.2 Featurewise Comparison of MySQL and PostgreSQL On the crash-me page (http://www.mysql.com/information/crash-me.php) you can find a list of those database constructs and limits that one can detect automatically with a

RES: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread John L. Forman
And here you can find another comparison http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim2705.php3?page=1 Regards, John -- John L. Forman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tecso Informática Ltda. www.tecso.com.br Rua

Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Gary Kunkel
I can't speak for MySQL, but I've used PostgreSQL w/ RH Linux in several production environments and it has proven very stable, reliable, economical and has enough functionality for every task I needed it to perform. Gary K Dear List, I was recently sent the following table comparing SQL

RE: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Steven . Tomlinson
Don't forget about SAP, now known as MaxDB. http://www.mysql.com/products/maxdb/ Steven B. Tomlinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pacific Telehealth and Technology Hui www.PacificHui.org -Original Message- From: Daniel L. Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:48

Re: Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Daniel L. Johnson
On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 15:17, David Forslund wrote: What does the table have to do with open source, since SQL Server isn't open source. There are a lot of non-open source DB solutions. Why compare to that one? OK, to answer your question directly, here's the cry for help that came with the

Re: Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread David Forslund
MySQL provides support if you want/need it. I don't see any difference except that the MySQL support is probably better. I can't speak for vendor developed applications running on MySQL, but my answer is that you make this a requirement of vendors. They will respond if you make this a

Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Calle Hedberg
John Your piece on MySQL - PostgreSQL benchmarking was very informative, and it seems to broadly reflect how many users view the two products: MySQL is faster and runs on more platforms, whereas PostgreSQL has a number of extra advanced' features like stored procedures etc. (Obviously, these

Re: Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 23:34, Daniel L. Johnson wrote: I have been pressing my technical staff to look at alternatives to MS SQL The table should include SAP (common at a certain size I gather) and the OSS version of Borland Interbase - Firebird. -- Adrian Midgley

Re: Lies about MySQL, Re: Database comparison question

2004-04-20 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Tuesday 20 April 2004 23:34, Daniel L. Johnson wrote: 3. There are few vendor-developed applications that run on an open source database like My SQL. The best thought-of general practice appointments system in the UK runs on MySQL, the Windows version of which is embedded in it.

Re: Re: Python works with Zope like Microsoft C# works with .Net, Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-20 Thread Tim Churches
Andrew Ho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 21 Apr 2004, Tim Churches wrote: ... My understanding of Python works with Zope is akin to saying Microsoft C# works with Microsoft .Net. Not a good analogy because, AFAIK, Microsoft C# doesn't work outside the Microsoft .NET

Typed untyped languages

2004-04-19 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: On Fri, 2004-04-16 at 13:51, Thomas Beale wrote: The way all the Eiffel stuff works on every platform is simply bridge pattern all over the place, plus platform specific binding libraries. Ah, yes. Gang of Four patterns are (largely) hacks required by static typing

Re: Typed untyped languages

2004-04-19 Thread Andrew Ho
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Thomas Beale wrote: ... Two comments about untyped languages: Thomas, What is the definition of untyped language? ... - trying to define a model representing a design without types borders on the impossible. A type is-a model. What are you trying to say? ... Why

Re: openEHR non-Free dependencies, was Re: Stallman on non-free J ava code

2004-04-15 Thread Thomas Beale
Tim Churches wrote: I was using #ifdef figuratively, and I should have made it clear I was talking mostly about the interface layer of applications, whether that be a GUI interface or a Web app interface or a Web service interface. My understanding is that .NET sorry, I was being dense - I

Re: language help

2004-04-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
denny adelman wrote: On 9 Apr 2004, at 7:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, When my system has not crashed I make data permanent all the time with a CDRW and DVD-RW device. Actually, I could have someone else do it as well, and I could setup a cron job to do it later. Thomas, A few years

Re: language help

2004-04-12 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi Adrian, One can configure a CD Jukebox or spool the image to a tape of Optical Disk jukebox. Then, presuming someone has the time, inclination and desire, the image can be retrieved late and a CD/DVD can be burned. You can also use the CD-RW (rewritable) technology that would allow one to

Eiffel on Slashdot

2004-04-12 Thread Adrian Midgley
Eiffel is established as a language significant to Open Source in Healthcare. An article on the merits of adopting it as a successor to C++ for developing the Gnome GUI/desktop environment is worth noting. http://developers.slashdot.org/

VistA PrimaCare feature in this article

2004-04-12 Thread Dr Molly Cheah
Here's the first article that came out from the EHealth Asia2004 Conference last week. OSS can figure largely in healthcare systems http://star-techcentral.com/tech/story.asp?file=/2004/4/9/technology/7728295sec=technology Molly

Re: Eiffel on Slashdot

2004-04-12 Thread Tim Churches
On Mon, 2004-04-12 at 06:06, Adrian Midgley wrote: Eiffel is established as a language significant to Open Source in Healthcare. An article on the merits of adopting it as a successor to C++ for developing the Gnome GUI/desktop environment is worth noting. http://developers.slashdot.org/

Re: Offsite backup

2004-04-11 Thread Gary Kunkel
My home was broken into once. The thieves took a lot of electronics goodies (cameras, stereo, VCR), but they left all the computer equipment. Gary It is unlikely that a common thief would target my home (we live in a modest tract home) and in the event that the backup machine was

Papers on EHR trials in UK in current BMJ

2004-04-10 Thread Tim Churches
See http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7444/871 and http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/content/full/328/7444/875 Several interesting conclusions, including the need for a common terminology/coding system for clinical concepts. Seems like that might be the rate-limiting step in developing

Re: InformationWeek Health Care Duke Takes E-Health Record Message To The People March 3, 2004

2004-04-09 Thread Tim Churches
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 14:24, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Interesting project that can pioneer the deployment of EHR-based systems, Important is the apparent goal of interfacing dissimilar EHR-based systems to yield distributed, accessible, secure EHR-based systems.

Re: language help

2004-04-09 Thread Nandalal Gunaratne
Hi, --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, When my system has not crashed I make data permanent all the time with a CDRW and DVD-RW device. Actually, I could have someone else do it as well, and I could setup a cron job to do it later. I do not think it is possible to

Re: language help

2004-04-09 Thread Adrian Midgley
On Friday 09 April 2004 08:18, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: I do not think it is possible to setup a cron job to backup to a CDRW or DVDRW device in Linux systems yet. It maybe possible when Linux supports writing to UDF file systems. Now it just supports reading these file systems. The only

Re: language help

2004-04-09 Thread denny adelman
On 9 Apr 2004, at 7:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, When my system has not crashed I make data permanent all the time with a CDRW and DVD-RW device. Actually, I could have someone else do it as well, and I could setup a cron job to do it later. Thomas, A few years ago, when we got to

Re: language help

2004-04-09 Thread Karsten Hilbert
I do not think it is possible to setup a cron job to backup to a CDRW or DVDRW device in Linux systems yet. I do this and it has saved my b*t a few times already (mission critical medical practice data). You don't need UDF, just collect tgz's on an off-site RAID and burn them regularly as ISO.

Re:help with SQL syntax

2004-04-09 Thread Calle Hedberg
Hi, I've run into a problem with SQL syntax that drives me **%!!*: I need to retrieve a large data set from a SQL Server database. The data set includes DATETIME fields, and my problem is that I need to FORCE the date format to be /MM/dd - WITH MM AND DD ALWAYS BEING TWO CHARACTERS. In other

Offsite backup

2004-04-09 Thread Michael D. Weisner
Denny, I agree that an offsite backup is necessary. Most of our files are backed up remotely via a similar arrangement. Since home-based ADSL is relatively inexpensive in NY, $34.95/month for a 1.2mbit line, I set up a system with lots of hard disk capacity at my home. Verizon provides only

Backups (was Re: language help)

2004-04-09 Thread Tim Churches
On Fri, 2004-04-09 at 20:12, Adrian Midgley wrote: On Friday 09 April 2004 08:18, Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: I do not think it is possible to setup a cron job to backup to a CDRW or DVDRW device in Linux systems yet. It maybe possible when Linux supports writing to UDF file systems. Now

Re: Offsite backup

2004-04-09 Thread Tim Churches
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 01:37, Michael D. Weisner wrote: I have yet to tackle the HIPAA concerns officially, although the VPN is fairly secure and the home system is password protected and physically locked away. You realise of course that unless you use an encrypted filesystem, the password

Re: Offsite backup

2004-04-09 Thread Michael D. Weisner
Tim, I use W2K NTFS with encrypted passwords, which I presume is difficult to crack, in addition to a physical barrier (a securely locked closet). I use a bios password, although there is a physical jumper to reset the bios (and the password). The floppy and CD are disabled from the boot

Re: Offsite backup

2004-04-09 Thread Tim Churches
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 08:24, Michael D. Weisner wrote: Tim, I use W2K NTFS with encrypted passwords, which I presume is difficult to crack, in addition to a physical barrier (a securely locked closet). I use a bios password, although there is a physical jumper to reset the bios (and the

Re: language help

2004-04-08 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi All, When my system has not crashed I make data permanent all the time with a CDRW and DVD-RW device. Actually, I could have someone else do it as well, and I could setup a cron job to do it later. The Home User is getting more capable every day. Regards! -Thomas Clark Daniel L. Johnson

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-29 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 28 Mar 2004, Tim Cook wrote: On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 13:15, Andrew Ho wrote: A time may come when at least one TORCH user become sufficiently upset - and take action to package TORCH for Debian. :-) There is already a developer working on Knoppix, TORCH, And PostgreSQL, SQLedger

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-29 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 00:40, Andreas Tille wrote: Personally, I just have not had time to learn how to build Debian packages. (It is probably easier than I imagine.) It is not technically difficult, just politically. g I hope my previous mail proved you wrong here. If not I can't help

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-29 Thread Andreas Tille
On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Tim Cook wrote: The specific issue with TORCH still remains that we disagree because I say it is not a technical issue because there is no interaction (therefore no conflict) between the Zope packages I put together and any others on a Debian system. I just happen to be

Re: GnuPG and S/MIME questions

2004-03-29 Thread Wayne Wilson
Smith, Todd wrote: Hello Tim, Thanks for the timely response and as always full of good information. I was concerned that people used different certificates systems would be incompatible and that I might need to have several different certificates. I will look at the documents very carefully and

Overview of the current state of PKI

2004-03-29 Thread Wayne Wilson
Take a look here: http://middleware.internet2.edu/pki04/program.html -- Wayne Wilson An attachment containing my pgp-signature is included. My public key fingerprint is: 9325 05AD 866B BCCB 45BF E86A 63E1 C6ED 4130 5461 My public key can be downloaded from wwwkeys.us.pgp.net pgp0.pgp

Re: GnuPG and S/MIME questions

2004-03-29 Thread Tim Churches
On Tue, 2004-03-30 at 01:17, Wayne Wilson wrote: Implications for medical messaging: HL7 has long taken the view that they would not build in security mechanisms as long as existing message layer standards were in place. S/MIME was early looked at as the 'way'.Now, it seems the faith

Alberta Canada - POSP

2004-03-29 Thread Walt Pennington
https://host.softworks.ca/agate/ama_posp/menu4.asp Alberta, Canada appears to be working on EHR integration for its providers called Physician Office System Program (POSP). Is OSCAR participating in this program? Anyone on this list participating in this program and able to share details on

Re: Alberta Canada - POSP

2004-03-29 Thread David Chan
OSCAR has not been asked to participate in this program. However, a number of clinics have chosen to use OSCAR in another similar program in British Columbia: http://www.vch.ca/health_services/PHCN/PHCN%203%20VCHA%20PHC%20Renewal%20Funding%20Opportunities%20Jan%202003.pdf David David H Chan, MD,

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 27 Mar 2004, Tim Cook wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 17:26, Karsten Hilbert wrote: You must use EXACTLY the set of pre-requisites that are available in a Debian distribution. For instancebecause I use Plone 2.0 I cannot participate because Plone 2.0 is not part of a Debian

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-28 Thread Tim Cook
None of the previous email nor this one was/is intended to a personal attack nor even a commentary on you personally, Andreas. On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 02:49, Andreas Tille wrote: Sorry, there is no such person like Maintainer of Debian-Med project. ... from later in the same email... By

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-28 Thread Andrew Ho
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Tim Cook wrote: ... I have always thought this would be a wonderful project. Certainly a Knoppix distribution with the many applications listed at: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-med/ would be a great tool to distribute at various trade shows etc. I would

LiveOIO-1.0.9 released + step-by-step demo instructions

2004-03-28 Thread Andrew Ho
Dear colleagues, LiveOIO-1.0.9 is now available for download from http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=9295 It is an iso (CD image) file suitable for burning a bootable, 650MB CD. Thanks to Richard Wang (American Honda) and Marcus Lopes (WRAP), OIO-1.0.9 delivers the

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-28 Thread Tim Cook
On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 13:15, Andrew Ho wrote: A time may come when at least one TORCH user become sufficiently upset - and take action to package TORCH for Debian. :-) There is already a developer working on Knoppix, TORCH, And PostgreSQL, SQLedger (KTAPS). So, I suppose you are correct.

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Tim Cook wrote: By maintaining Debian-Med meta packages I just decide which *existing* Debian package will be included in the meta-packages dependencies. I'm confused about this Debian maintainer stuff It's quite simple: - Each person is free to package any

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-28 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 28 Mar 2004, Andrew Ho wrote: Either way, I am not upset about TORCH not being included in Debian Med or as an officially blessed Debian package. A time may come when at least one TORCH user become sufficiently upset - and take action to package TORCH for Debian. :-) Well, there is

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-27 Thread Karsten Hilbert
There is no Debian-Med download because Debian-Med is a Debian meta-project. It tailors a standard Debian system to the needs of the medical/biosciences community. What are the ways in which the distribution tailored? Users that are made members of a group medicine are presented with

Re: Debian-Med

2004-03-27 Thread Tim Cook
On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 17:26, Karsten Hilbert wrote: You must use EXACTLY the set of pre-requisites that are available in a Debian distribution. For instancebecause I use Plone 2.0 I cannot participate because Plone 2.0 is not part of a Debian distribution. You can but Andreas

Re: Libre Software Meeting for Medicine, Bordeaux

2004-03-18 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Simion Pruna wrote: However, we will use the databases of previous conferences for sending invitations to the possible participants. Sure, but there might be some interested persons who did not attend in previous meetings ... What we must do is to invite decisions persons

oscar v2.0 is now on demo site

2004-03-17 Thread Dr. David H Chan
We will be releasing v2.0 shortly on SourceForge. This new versionincorporates all the enhancements our Brazillians friends have added - youcan change to Brazillian Portugese by simply changing the browserproperties! Anyone interested in putting in other languages? It's now a verysimple

Libre Software Meeting for Medicine, Bordeaux

2004-03-17 Thread Andreas Tille
Hello, Simion Pruna has started a Wiki at http://wiki.ael.be/rmll2004/index.php/Medicine to organize the medical track of LSM held on 6th - 10th July 2004 in Bordeaux. (Simon - I guess the data is a vital information which is missing in your Wiki but I'd like to leave you the main

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