Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-24 Thread Fly Man
2010/2/23 Cristina Videira Lopes lo...@ics.uci.edu Let's bring the focus of this thread back. We're about to merge the presence-refactor branch into the master branch, and then we'll need testers, some of us will be working overtime to fix the bugs, and hopefully Fly-Man- will update Wiredux

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev- boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Justin Clark-Casey Sent: Friday, 19 February 2010 3:25 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor? Melanie wrote: I would not like to see the refactor

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread diva
Justin Clark-Casey wrote: Out of interest, why is this? Well, what I said isn't the only possible route. Here's the technical issue, then I'll explain the two ways to go at it. But then I have a question and a warning to whoever uses SQLite. Due to SQLite connection management constraints,

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread diva
We can, by this order: 1) merge presence-refactor into master 2) create a sop-refactor branch from master immediately after 3) create a 0.7 branch some time later I would like to propose that the sop refactoring work be done in a branch rather than in the master branch, similar to what we did

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mic Bowman
Can I make one request... Can we tag the current master as 0.6.9 (or something) prior to the merge? --mic On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, d...@metaverseink.com wrote: We can, by this order: 1) merge presence-refactor into master 2) create a sop-refactor branch from master immediately after

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread diva
+1 Mic Bowman wrote: Can I make one request... Can we tag the current master as 0.6.9 (or something) prior to the merge? --mic On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 8:13 AM, d...@metaverseink.com mailto:d...@metaverseink.com wrote: We can, by this order: 1) merge presence-refactor into

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Toni Alatalo
d...@metaverseink.com kirjoitti: We can, by this order: 1) merge presence-refactor into master 2) create a sop-refactor branch from master immediately after 3) create a 0.7 branch some time later I would like to propose that the sop refactoring work be done in a branch rather than in the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Kyle
How nice of you Mark! From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Mark Malewski Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 4:01 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor? Adam/Chris/Melanie/Diva

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
-dev@lists.berlios.de *Subject:* Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor? Adam/Chris/Melanie/Diva, * since I don't have any Linux machines at my disposal for mono * * testing (and my development servers will be going on shipping* * containers for a month in the very near future

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Cristina Videira Lopes
Yeah, we could have done that in theory. In practice, we're all still fairly ignorant when it comes to using git, and we've all had close encounters with git disasters. Melanie is the one keeping branches in sync, she has spent a lot of time resolving conflicts by hand, helping out the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
d...@metaverseink.com wrote: Justin Clark-Casey wrote: Out of interest, why is this? Well, what I said isn't the only possible route. Here's the technical issue, then I'll explain the two ways to go at it. But then I have a question and a warning to whoever uses SQLite. Due to SQLite

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
I think that a tag would be good but please _not_ anything that suggests 0.6.9. I would really like to see us reserve version numbers for proper releases that have undergone the release candidate procedure. d...@metaverseink.com wrote: +1 Mic Bowman wrote: Can I make one request... Can

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
* we're all still fairly ignorant when it comes to using git, and * * we've all had close encounters with git disasters.* Why are we using GIT? I understand that it's supposed to be better than CVS/SVN, but it's still a dinosaur compared to Mercurial or Bazaar. Why aren't we using Mercurial? *

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Cristina Videira Lopes
On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Justin Clark-Casey wrote: You're right - I don't have any numbers so perhaps no-one is doing that. I took the liberty of copying this over to the users list to see if any hands are raised there. If SQLite is just being used for single person/demonstration

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
There is also a nice TortoiseHG client (identical to TortoiseSVN) for mercurial, for both Windows and Linux users. It makes Mercurial extremely easy to use (in both Windows and Linux). http://mercurial.selenic.com/wiki/TortoiseHg It includes a nice Tortoise mercurial GUI and merge tools (and

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
Mic, It seems like a good request. I like the idea of a tag, but maybe we should create two tags? Use a 0.6.8.x tag prior to the merge, and a 0.6.9.x tag after the merge? Then save the 0.7 tag for the stable RC? * Can I make one request... Can we tag the current master as * * 0.6.9 (or

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Melanie
I don't think we can survive another move. Also, I don't want to learn another toolchain, I want to develop. -1 Melanie Mark Malewski wrote: * we're all still fairly ignorant when it comes to using git, and * * we've all had close encounters with git disasters.* Why are we using GIT? I

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Dahlia Trimble
Mark, Your offer is quite generous, however most of us already have test regions set up to facilitate development. On the subject of mercurial, we spent several developer-months switching over to git and several more months after that getting used to it and becoming productive again. I doubt

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
Devs, I can setup 4 sandbox servers for tagged release bug testing: Server 1: Ubuntu Linux w/ SQ Lite Server 2: Ubuntu Linux w/ MySQL Server 3: Windows 2008 R2 w/ SQ Lite Server 4: Windows 2008 R2 w/ MySQL Then the dev's can decide which tagged versions they would like to install on which

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
* **I don't think we can survive another move. Also, I don't want to* * learn another toolchain, I want to develop.* I know, but as an engineer (hardware/server/network administrator) it's my job to help SUPPORT you, by creating a nice environment for you to do your work. ;-) If you can spend 3

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Cristina Videira Lopes
Let's bring the focus of this thread back. We're about to merge the presence-refactor branch into the master branch, and then we'll need testers, some of us will be working overtime to fix the bugs, and hopefully Fly-Man- will update Wiredux sometime soon. Then a big effort in

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Melanie
Hi, rant skipped _everything_ from the first mention of Tortoise Apparently, you don't know much about the people you are so eager to support. I use Linux, and work exclusively on the command line. I don't use any Windows OS at all. Also, I'd sooner be found dead that be found using a

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-22 Thread Mark Malewski
* Your offer is quite generous, however most of us already have test regions set * * up to facilitate development.* Ok, I was just offering. So at least we'd have various platforms that the dev's (and alpha testing community) could use for sandboxing and bug reporting platforms. * On the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-21 Thread Frisby, Adam
3:25 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor? Melanie wrote: I would not like to see the refactor start in the branch, because that would postpone a merge indefinitely. Yes, please whatever happens, do not start any sog refactoring

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-19 Thread Frisby, Adam
[mailto:opensim-dev- boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Justin Clark-Casey Sent: Friday, 19 February 2010 3:25 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor? Melanie wrote: I would not like to see the refactor start in the branch, because

[Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread Frisby, Adam
Does anyone know what is the current status of the presence refactor - is there any date on when that is going to hit trunk? I'd really like to see 0.7 get tagged soon, so we can begin the big object model refactor. Thanks! Adam ___ Opensim-dev

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread diva
Sigh. It's ready. It's been fully operational for several weeks, modulo buglets. It hasn't been merged because the SQLite connector hasn't been redone and at least Melanie doesn't want to merge without it. For me, the SQLite connector continues to be a big question mark. There's the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread Robert Martin
On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:15 AM, d...@metaverseink.com wrote: Sigh. It's ready. It's been fully operational for several weeks, modulo buglets. It hasn't been merged because the SQLite connector hasn't been redone and at least Melanie doesn't want to merge without it. could you release a

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread diva
I could, but I'm hesitant to make diva distro releases from branches that aren't the master branch. Plus, so far the differences between the two branches are purely internal; there is no functional difference, or new bug fixes, or anything like that. The new architecture will allow for lots of

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread Chris Hart
- From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of d...@metaverseink.com Sent: 18 February 2010 3:16 PM To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor? Sigh. It's ready. It's been fully operational

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread Melanie
It's not fully there, I still haven't finished friends. RL, the need to produce immediate revenue, and the absence of SQLite support, all contributed to that. I'm wrestling with the client on that, because OpenSim has some badness there. Specifically, if you are missing an online friend (that

Re: [Opensim-dev] Status of presence refactor?

2010-02-18 Thread Michael Cerquoni
Honestly Adam I think if were ever going to be able to get to 0.7 we are going to have to upgrade the memory in the OpenSimulator.org hardware, GIT is so slow right now that it could take forever to do testing if we needed to do alot of patching/fixing. Until thats done I would not expect