On 13/01/2015 3:45 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote:
There's really no way to _force_ official logging on all
project-related channels. People who are opposed to the idea simply
move their conversations to new channels. They'll straddle the line
between somewhat official looking and
John Griffith wrote:
Also just to reiterate something that Sean pointed out that's bugged
me for a while proliferation of channels and what I view as
limited usage of openstack-dev. Honestly I think it's more
detrimental to have all the silos of communication going on as opposed
to all
On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote:
This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and which
channel have we moved to questions when a different slot is
required.
Yep, once every team has its meeting in a separate channel, they'll
all be Tuesday at 1900 UTC and you
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:54:13AM -0700, John Griffith wrote:
I'd echo all the points made regarding logging shouldn't be a
problem; we're an Open Source project so the idea of our communication
being public making anybody nervous and not wanting to participate
seems really off to me. Yes
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 10:06 AM, Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com wrote:
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On 13
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
On 13 January 2015 at 12:32, Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com wrote:
I'm
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 11:25 AM, Jeremy Stanley fu...@yuggoth.org wrote:
On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote:
This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and which
channel have we moved to questions when a different slot is
required.
Yep, once every team has its
On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote:
Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels,
[...]
Ahem, it's four now BTW. ;)
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On 01/13/2015 01:25 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2015-01-13 18:02:41 + (+), Louis Taylor wrote:
This would be great, since it avoids the scheduling and which
channel have we moved to questions when a different slot is
required.
Yep, once every team has its meeting in a separate
Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com writes:
I'm heavily against the public logging to the level that I will just
leave the channel if that will be enabled. My point is not foul
language and I do understand that there could be some benefits out of
it. Personally I think we have enough tracked public
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 12:32:23PM +, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
I think the major benefits of this defined audience are:
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public.
( Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no
need to explain to anyone
On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 08:27:58AM -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no
need to
logging
Thanks Cindy!
Glance cores, can you all please pitch in?
-Nikhil
From: Cindy Pallares [cpalla...@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:28 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need
to explain to anyone reading the logs what you actually meant during the
conversation month ago.
2) there is
On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need
to explain to anyone reading the logs what you actually meant during
On 01/13/2015 08:23 AM, Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
Sent: 13 January 2015 13:02
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need
On 13/01/15 08:27 -0500, Sean Dague wrote:
On 01/13/2015 08:01 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote:
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way that is for public. (
Misunderstandings can be corrected on the fly if needed. ) There is no need to
explain to anyone
On Tue, 13 Jan 2015, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
Yep, there have been a number of occassions when conversations that are
relevant to my work have taken place on IRC channels for projects that
I don't normally participate in. It would have been useful to be able
to see the logs and in some cases
-Original Message-
From: Thierry Carrez [mailto:thie...@openstack.org]
Sent: 13 January 2015 13:02
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
Kuvaja, Erno wrote:
[...]
1) One does not need to express themselves in a way
On 13 January 2015 at 12:32, Kuvaja, Erno kuv...@hp.com wrote:
I'm heavily against the public logging to the level that I will just leave
the channel if that will be enabled. My point is not foul language and I do
understand that there could be some benefits out of it. Personally I think we
0, 1, 2, and 3. 3 channels. I think Sean has this correct.
On 1/13/15, 14:36, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote:
On 01/13/2015 03:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote:
Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels,
[...]
On 01/13/2015 03:07 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote:
On 2015-01-13 13:59:26 -0500 (-0500), Sean Dague wrote:
Which is a really important point. I hang in the 3 meeting channels,
[...]
Ahem, it's four now BTW. ;)
Like I said, I hang out in 3 meeting channels. :)
-Sean
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Sean Dague
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It's also important to remember
+1 to Flavio's proposal.
Thanks,
-Nikhil
From: Flavio Percoco [fla...@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 3:16 AM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
On 09/01/15 12:11
There's really no way to _force_ official logging on all
project-related channels. People who are opposed to the idea simply
move their conversations to new channels. They'll straddle the line
between somewhat official looking and official enough to require
logging.
--
Jeremy Stanley
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*Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not
private and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo ca
From: David Stanek [dsta...@dstanek.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2015 4:43 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private and
are likely already
It's also important to remember that IRC channels are typically not private
and are likely already logged by dozens of people anyway.
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Aedo ca...@mirantis.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote:
Fully
the need of meetings where decisions and
more relevant/important topics are discussed.
From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:49 AM, Flavio Percoco fla...@redhat.com wrote:
Fully agree... I don't see how enable logging should be a limitation
for freedom of thought. We've used it in Zaqar since day 0 and it's
bee of great help for all of us.
The logging does not remove the need of meetings
Hi all,
I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance
channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it
didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not
discussed in the mailing list. A lot of information is exchanged through
the
; please do not take me any other way.
Thanks,
-Nikhil
From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 10:42 AM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy
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| On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar
. I do admit it is used less frequently than the meeting logs.
--Morgan
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From: Anita Kuno [ante...@anteaya.info]
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, January 05, 2015 11:57 AM
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On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:
Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the project
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| On Jan 5, 2015, at 08:07, Nikhil Komawar nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com
| wrote:
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| Based on the feedback received, we would like to avoid logging on the
| project channel
Thanks Cindy!
Glance cores, can you all please pitch in?
-Nikhil
From: Cindy Pallares [cpalla...@redhat.com]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2015 12:28 PM
To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Glance] IRC logging
I've made
On 01/05/2015 06:42 AM, Cindy Pallares wrote:
Hi all,
I would like to re-open the discussion on IRC logging for the glance
channel. It was discussed on a meeting back in November[1], but it
didn't seem to have a lot of input from the community and it was not
discussed in the mailing list. A
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