Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-17 Thread Thierry Carrez
Anne Gentle wrote: The reference list lives in the governance git repository: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/governance/tree/reference/programs.yaml A bit of metadata I'd like added to the programs.yaml file is which release the project was in what status, integrated or

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-08 Thread Steven Dake
On 03/07/2014 01:53 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Steven Dake wrote: I'm a bit confused as well as to how a incubated project would be differentiated from a integrated project in one program. This may have already been discussed by the TC. For example, Red Hat doesn't officially support incubated

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-08 Thread Steven Dake
On 03/07/2014 07:28 AM, Anne Gentle wrote: On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org mailto:thie...@openstack.org wrote: Steven Dake wrote: I'm a bit confused as well as to how a incubated project would be differentiated from a integrated project in

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-07 Thread Thierry Carrez
Steven Dake wrote: I'm a bit confused as well as to how a incubated project would be differentiated from a integrated project in one program. This may have already been discussed by the TC. For example, Red Hat doesn't officially support incubated projects, but we officially support (with

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-07 Thread Anne Gentle
On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.orgwrote: Steven Dake wrote: I'm a bit confused as well as to how a incubated project would be differentiated from a integrated project in one program. This may have already been discussed by the TC. For example, Red Hat

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-06 Thread Thierry Carrez
Steven Dake wrote: My general take is workflow would fit in the Orchestration program, but not be integrated into the heat repo specifically. It would be a different repo, managed by the same orchestration program just as we have heat-cfntools and other repositories. Figuring out how to

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-06 Thread Steven Dake
On 03/06/2014 03:15 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Steven Dake wrote: My general take is workflow would fit in the Orchestration program, but not be integrated into the heat repo specifically. It would be a different repo, managed by the same orchestration program just as we have heat-cfntools and

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-05 Thread Thomas Spatzier
@lists.openstack.org Date: 04/03/2014 23:20 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano On 04/03/14 00:04, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: It so happens that the OASIS's TOSCA technical committee are working as we speak on a TOSCA Simple Profile that will hopefully make things easier

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-05 Thread Thomas Spatzier
: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano Hi all, Completely agree with Zane. Collaboration with TOSCA TC is a way to go as Murano is very close to TOSCA. Like Murano = 0.9 * TOSCA + UI + OpenStack services integration. Let me share my thoughts on TOSCA as I read all TOSCA docs and I'm also

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-05 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com wrote on 05/03/2014 00:32:08: From: Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) openstack-dev

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-05 Thread Steven Dake
/03/2014 00:34 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano Hi Thomas, Zane, Thank you for bringing TOSCA to the discussion. I think this is important topic as it will help to find better alignment or even future merge of Murano DSL and Heat templates. Murano DSL uses YAML representation

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-05 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
00:34 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano Hi Thomas, Zane, Thank you for bringing TOSCA to the discussion. I think this is important topic as it will help to find better alignment or even future merge of Murano DSL and Heat templates. Murano DSL uses YAML representation

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-04 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi, Here is an etherpad page with current Murano status http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/murano-incubation-status. Thanks Georgy On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com wrote: Hi Zane, Thank you very much for this question. First of all let me

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-04 Thread Thomas Spatzier
=52381wg_abbrev=tosca Greetings, Thomas Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com wrote on 04/03/2014 03:33:01: From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 04/03/2014 03:32 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano On 25/02/14 05:08, Thierry Carrez

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-04 Thread Zane Bitter
On 04/03/14 00:04, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: First of all let me highlight that Murano DSL was much inspired by TOSCA. We carefully read this standard before our movement to Murano DSL. TOSCA standard has a lot f of very well designed concepts and ideas which we reused in Murano. There is

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-04 Thread Thomas Spatzier
Excerpt from Zane Bitter's message on 04/03/2014 23:16:21: From: Zane Bitter zbit...@redhat.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 04/03/2014 23:20 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano On 04/03/14 00:04, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: It so happens

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-04 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Bitter zbit...@redhat.com To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Date: 04/03/2014 23:20 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano On 04/03/14 00:04, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: It so happens that the OASIS's TOSCA technical committee are working as we speak on a TOSCA

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-04 Thread Stan Lagun
Hi all, Completely agree with Zane. Collaboration with TOSCA TC is a way to go as Murano is very close to TOSCA. Like Murano = 0.9 * TOSCA + UI + OpenStack services integration. Let me share my thoughts on TOSCA as I read all TOSCA docs and I'm also the author of initial Murano DSL design

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-03 Thread Zane Bitter
On 25/02/14 05:08, Thierry Carrez wrote: The second challenge is that we only started to explore the space of workload lifecycle management, with what looks like slightly overlapping solutions (Heat, Murano, Solum, and the openstack-compatible PaaS options out there), and it might be difficult,

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-03-03 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi Zane, Thank you very much for this question. First of all let me highlight that Murano DSL was much inspired by TOSCA. We carefully read this standard before our movement to Murano DSL. TOSCA standard has a lot f of very well designed concepts and ideas which we reused in Murano. There is one

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-02-25 Thread Thierry Carrez
Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: [...] As you can see this is complicated topic with a number of possible solutions. What Murano team is seeking to achieve is to get feedback of community and TC on the most appropriate way to structure the governance model for the project. And that should make

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-02-24 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark Washenberger wrote: Prior to this email, I was imagining that we would expand the Images program to go beyond storing just block device images, and into more structured items like whole Nova instance templates, Heat templates, and Murano packages. In this scheme, Glance would know

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-02-24 Thread Jay Pipes
On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 11:24 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote: Mark Washenberger wrote: Prior to this email, I was imagining that we would expand the Images program to go beyond storing just block device images, and into more structured items like whole Nova instance templates, Heat templates,

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-02-24 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
Hi Thierry, Let me clarify the situation with existing programs and projects overlap. First of all, I would like to separate questions about what program Murano as a project can fit and about any overlap with existing projects in the official programs. We position Application Catalog as a

Re: [openstack-dev] Incubation Request: Murano

2014-02-21 Thread Mark Washenberger
Hi Georgy, Thanks for all your efforts putting this together. In the incubation request, one of the proposals is to include Murano under an expanded scope of the Images program, renaming it the Catalog program. I've been extremely pleased with the help of you and your colleagues in helping to