Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-07 Thread Günter Lichtenberg
Smart isn't so smart..d'led something that KDE doesn't like, and KILLED KDE...won't start up. Thankfully, I still have Gnome. Also for me KDE did not want to start - maybe it's the same as your problem. The solution was: for some reason I still (or again?) had kdebase3-5.1 while all

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-07 Thread Kenneth Schneider
On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 18:02 +0200, Günter Lichtenberg wrote: Smart isn't so smart..d'led something that KDE doesn't like, and KILLED KDE...won't start up. Thankfully, I still have Gnome. Also for me KDE did not want to start - maybe it's the same as your problem. The solution was:

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-07 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Wednesday 07 June 2006 12:02 pm, Günter Lichtenberg wrote: Smart isn't so smart..d'led something that KDE doesn't like, and KILLED KDE...won't start up. Thankfully, I still have Gnome. Also for me KDE did not want to start - maybe it's the same as your problem. The solution was: for

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-06 Thread Kevin Donnelly
On Monday 05 June 2006 15:32, Pascal Bleser wrote: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). At the minute, Smart is by far the most reliable and easily-installed package manager for SUSE. Apt-rpm may do more specialised things, but for

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-06 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:35, Marcus Rueckert wrote: OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. how about: decide for one of them? that would solve the problem. Okay, so - which one works or am i clueless again? After

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-06 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Janne Karhunen wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 20:35, Marcus Rueckert wrote: OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. how about: decide for one of them? that would solve the

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-06 Thread Fred A. Miller
On Tuesday 06 June 2006 8:35 am, Kevin Donnelly wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 15:32, Pascal Bleser wrote: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). At the minute, Smart is by far the most reliable and easily-installed package manager for

[opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Janne Karhunen
Hi, Umm, how is it that we're supposed to install packages to 10.1 systems? We now have several different tools (yum, yast, smart, apt) that see only subset of total packages available, and thus, are unable to satisfy dependencies for anything. Let alone bugs, but is this even conceptially

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Janne Karhunen wrote: Hi, Hi Janne Umm, how is it that we're supposed to install packages to 10.1 systems? We now have several different tools (yum, yast, smart, apt) that see only subset of total packages available, and thus, are unable to

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Monday 05 June 2006 17:32, Pascal Bleser wrote: Umm, how is it that we're supposed to install packages to 10.1 systems? We now have several different tools (yum, yast, smart, apt) that see only subset of total packages available, and thus, are unable to satisfy dependencies for

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread jdd
Janne Karhunen wrote: Well, we have at least yum, yast, apt, smart and god knows what else as repository types. These tools are completely unaware of each other why start with a wrong assertion? http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=Package_Managementaction=history you'll see that any

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Monday 05 June 2006 19:14, jdd wrote: Well, we have at least yum, yast, apt, smart and god knows what else as repository types. These tools are completely unaware of each other why start with a wrong assertion? Umm, it's not wrong. If apt and yum know RPM, it does not make them know

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-06-05 20:15:10 +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 20:05, jdd wrote: I guess respective repositories are mostly links to the rpm's and separate link to metadata - I don't see any reason to duplicate the rpm themselves Yep, but it's annoying to use half a dozen

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:26, Marcus Rueckert wrote: the common repos format they all support is rpm-md. (dunno if the apt in the distro is already recent enough. but richard has an up2date package for sure) Thanks for clarifying, I didn't know this. as most sources should ship with

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-06-05 20:33:12 +0300, Janne Karhunen wrote: On Monday 05 June 2006 20:26, Marcus Rueckert wrote: as most sources should ship with rpm-md files you can happily add them everywhere. If you use multiple tools concurrently, you need to add the sources to each of them. OK, so all

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Andreas Hanke
Hi, Janne Karhunen schrieb: OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. Why? Just make a decision in favour of one of them and use that one exclusively. (This doesn't mean you can't switch in the future, you just have to

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Janne Karhunen
On Monday 05 June 2006 20:36, Andreas Hanke wrote: OK, so all we're left with is the burden of syncronizing between these. Not quite as bad as i thought, but still. Why? For most tasks no reason really, but every now and then I find it easier for task Z to use tool Y. That, and history

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-06-05 20:17:50 +0200, houghi wrote: What is the fun in that? ;-) Somebody just write a tool to do so. I believe all tools have a CLI interface. So all you have to do is look wich ones are installed, look what repo each has and if one has one and not another, add that. Then add

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread houghi
On Mon, Jun 05, 2006 at 08:34:32PM +0200, Marcus Rueckert wrote: On 2006-06-05 20:17:50 +0200, houghi wrote: Should not be too hard to do, but then I have not looked at it, so it could be unpossible. you are way too bored are you? but go ahead write that tool. The moment I plan on

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-05-06 10:34]: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a lot of channels, including the main repository, -updates, -non-oss, guru,

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-05-06 10:34]: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a lot of channels, including

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick Shanahan wrote: * Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-05-06 10:34]: Works perfectly for me (and I haven't heard that complaint about it, at least not yet ;)). Have you tried using my smart RPMs [1] ? they come preconfigured with a lot of

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Eberhard Moenkeberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-05-06 16:01]: You can try http://ftp-1.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/repositories/KDE:/... Thanks, trying now -- Patrick ShanahanRegistered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org@

Re: [opensuse] software management, take 10+n

2006-06-05 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Pascal Bleser [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-05-06 16:35]: You're not actually blaming smart for timeouts on the software.opensuse.org HTTP server, are you ? ;) No, frustration with the update system . As Eberhard mentioned, you can use ftp-1.gwdg.de as a mirror. Added his suggestions