Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Michal Marek
Bernhard Walle wrote: * Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]: TeXlive No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not. The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary Software'? It was IMO *very* hidden that

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Il giorno dom, 08/07/2007 alle 20.11 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto: Most of the people I introduce to openSUSE complain about how long it takes to install and can't believe it takes an entire DVD just to get Linux running. This is not going to improve neither with the netinstall nor with

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Daniel Bornkessel
On Saturday 07 July 2007 22:30:12 Bernhard Walle wrote: * Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-07 16:27]: TeXlive No TeX distribution in the DVD set? Please not. The survey is *not* representative, and why should a TeX user take part at all if a survey is titled 'Proprietary

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2007 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua: Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a specific tool: http://www.ctan.org/usage/ftp/usage_200706.html To give an idea, in June 2007:

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Samstag 07 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: I'm sure there are KDE and GNOME toys on the CD which have less users. Definitly! But they might not take 300MB. In that sense TeX is far from being a toy. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Bernhard Walle
* Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 13:57]: Am Sonntag 08 Juli 2007 schrieb Alberto Passalacqua: Maybe CTAN usage statistics can help the decision. Someone thinks noone uses LaTeX, but I think the numbers are interesting, considering it's a specific tool:

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 14.11 +0200, Bernhard Walle ha scritto: At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? This is exactly my point of view. Regards, Alberto

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 13.57 +0200, Stephan Kulow ha scritto: And the question here is not if we make it impossible to use LaTeX for opensuse users. We discuss here if it takes a download or not to install it. The question is quite clear. The reasons are not, at least to me. I don't

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Stephan Kulow
Am Montag 09 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? the user is pretty hard to

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Mon, 9 Jul 2007, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 14.11 +0200, Bernhard Walle ha scritto: At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the user has do download all via FTP? This is exactly my point of view. Very much

Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Bernhard Walle
* Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 14:21]: Am Montag 09 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of buying the box if the

RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Robison, Jonathon (M.)
Excellent idea. So long as they ARE available to those who need them, this sounds like a good all-around solution. Jonathon M. Robison ET, ITI There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who know binary, and those who don't -Original Message- From: Andreas Jaeger [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread James Tremblay
I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are differences. check the bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282531 there are

RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 09.46 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto: I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the retail versions as possible should be the goal, And there are differences. check

[opensuse-factory] what happened to factory?

2007-07-09 Thread Peter Czanik
Hello, What happened to factory? It has not seen an update for more than a week. And it can't even be installed, as gpg is missing from the installer... Bye, CzP - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: [opensuse-factory] Results of survey on use of proprietarysoftware in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread Thomas Leineweber
Bernhard Walle schrieb: * Stephan Kulow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-07-09 14:21]: Am Montag 09 Juli 2007 schrieb Bernhard Walle: So why do we make a DVD at all? Just one CD for the installation and the rest can be downloaded from FTP. At least it should be on the DVD9. Or what's the point of

Re: [opensuse-factory] what happened to factory?

2007-07-09 Thread Chema
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Peter Czanik escribió: Hello, What happened to factory? It has not seen an update for more than a week. And it can't even be installed, as gpg is missing from the installer... Bye, CzP

Re: [opensuse-factory] Results of survey

2007-07-09 Thread Donn Washburn
Question was: So why do we have KOffice on the DVD? koffice is needed by kmymoney. Because likdchart is in koffice Another words - dependences for at least one example. -- 73 de Donn Washburn 307 Savoy Street Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sugar Land, TX 77478 LL# 1.281.242.3256 Ham Callsign

RE: [opensuse-factory] Re: Results of survey on use of proprietary software in openSUSE

2007-07-09 Thread James Tremblay
On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 16:20 +0200, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: Il giorno lun, 09/07/2007 alle 09.46 -0400, James Tremblay ha scritto: I believe a complete restructuring of openSUSE's delivery should be considered. To provide as little difference between the download and the retail versions

[opensuse-factory] Downloaded OpenOffice and Alpha5

2007-07-09 Thread Donn Washburn
Hey Group; In Alpha5 what would cause a previous and today downloaded OpenOffice.tar.gz not to unzip. Using either tar -xzvf or straight gunzip. I get a failed invalid compressed-data format error At first I thought I had a bad ooo.tar.gz so I downloaded it again. SuSE supplied

Re: [opensuse-factory] Downloaded OpenOffice and Alpha5

2007-07-09 Thread Donn Washburn
Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In Alpha5 what would cause a previous and today downloaded OpenOffice.tar.gz not to unzip. Using either tar -xzvf or straight gunzip. I get a failed invalid compressed-data format error At first I thought I had a bad ooo.tar.gz so I downloaded it again.

Re: [opensuse-factory] Downloaded OpenOffice and Alpha5

2007-07-09 Thread Donn Washburn
Donn Washburn wrote: Hey Group; In Alpha5 what would cause a previous and today downloaded OpenOffice.tar.gz not to unzip. Using either tar -xzvf or straight gunzip. I get a failed invalid compressed-data format error At first I thought I had a bad ooo.tar.gz so I downloaded it again.

Re: [opensuse-factory] what happened to factory?

2007-07-09 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Peter Czanik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, What happened to factory? It has not seen an update for more than a week. And it can't even be installed, as gpg is missing from the installer... We hit a couple of bugs - and add one time were too fast and therefore the scripts never finished.