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2011-01-13 Thread Fabian Keil
Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net wrote: On 12.01.2011 22:05, Fabian Keil wrote: Some of my equipment got seized a few months ago. Good luck on getting it back then! Thanks. I'm also not sure how the police would try to seize equipment and fail (assuming the equipment is actually

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2011-01-13 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 3:01 AM, Roger Dingledine a...@mit.edu wrote: This is related to the if you remove Tor from the world, you're not really reducing the ability of bad guys to be anonymous on the Internet idea. This could be then analog argument as saying that if you remove one

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2011-01-13 Thread Jimmy Richardson
Hi,: What the hell are you talking about? The whole idea of Tor is anonymity, and you want Tor to make it easy to identify its users? Thomas Jefferson already answered your question: The man who would choose security over freedom deserves neither. If you want security over freedom, you're

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2011-01-13 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Mitar (mmi...@gmail.com): This is related to the if you remove Tor from the world, you're not really reducing the ability of bad guys to be anonymous on the Internet idea. This could be then analog argument as saying that if you remove one weapon factory from the world, that

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2011-01-12 Thread Timo Schoeler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 thus Mike Perry spake: Some of us are also compiling abuse response templates. The goal for abuse responses is to inform people about Tor, and to suggest solutions for their security problems that involve improving their computer security for the

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2011-01-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Timo Schoeler (timo.schoe...@riscworks.net): Some of us are also compiling abuse response templates. The goal for abuse responses is to inform people about Tor, and to suggest solutions for their security problems that involve improving their computer security for the Internet

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2011-01-12 Thread Jan Weiher
Am 12.01.2011 09:32, schrieb Timo Schoeler: thus Mike Perry spake: Some of us are also compiling abuse response templates. The goal for abuse responses is to inform people about Tor, and to suggest solutions for their security problems that involve improving their computer security for

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2011-01-12 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Mike Perry (mikepe...@fscked.org): Is there any place (e.g. in a wiki) where one could find or even upload his own 'response template', as I might assume that they will be very specific to the country's law they're issued? Here's the (freshly updated) set of abuse complaints

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2011-01-12 Thread David Hill
The BSI comment had me rolling on the floor. Could you imagine the paperwork? If you're going to RSA, they'll be there. On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: Do

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2011-01-12 Thread Fabian Keil
Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net wrote: ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: What do you want to know exactly? In many countries, running an anonymizing service is definitely not illegal. Many exit operators run into

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2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On 12.01.2011 22:05, Fabian Keil wrote: Some of my equipment got seized a few months ago. Good luck on getting it back then! I'm also not sure how the police would try to seize equipment and fail (assuming the equipment is actually there). Explosives? ;-) Did you run a Tor exit at

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2011-01-12 Thread Olaf Selke
Am 12.01.2011 22:48, schrieb Moritz Bartl: Did you run a Tor exit at home? I'm not sure if they come and seize your home computer if the Tor server is hosted in a data center. Olaf seems not to have run into big trouble yet (or maybe he was quick on replacing the hardware). running an exit

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2011-01-12 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net wrote: Most complaints you will have to deal with can be easily solved by telling them about Tor. In extreme cases, the police might come knocking to your door or even try to seize your equipment, but I am only aware of

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2011-01-12 Thread Mitar
Hi! But I wan't a legally binding statement from a lawyer or an official (BSI) that running TOR exit nodes in germany is legal. In Slovenia there is a law (for Internet commerce) that persons just passing data around, not changing it, choosing destination or source, filter, etc, are not

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2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi, On top of this, it is *illegal* in Germany to keep user identifiable data unless required for billing purposes. Telemediengesetz §15 Nutzungsdaten http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/tmg/__15.html Let me translate the first paragraph: §15 Usage Data (1) The service provider may collect

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2011-01-12 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 12:46 AM, Moritz Bartl mor...@torservers.net wrote: On top of this, it is *illegal* in Germany to keep user identifiable data unless required for billing purposes. I think it is allowed but you have to clearly inform users of this (register this data collection with

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2011-01-12 Thread Mitar
Hi! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Mike Perry mikepe...@fscked.org wrote: and to suggest solutions for their security problems that involve improving their computer security for the Internet at large (open wifi, open proxies, botnets), I am not sure what you mean by that? That there should

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2011-01-12 Thread Moritz Bartl
On 13.01.2011 01:01, Mitar wrote: On top of this, it is *illegal* in Germany to keep user identifiable data unless required for billing purposes. I think it is allowed but you have to clearly inform users of this (register this data collection with data privacy agency) and reasons for it and

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2011-01-12 Thread Roger Dingledine
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 01:17:33AM +0100, Mitar wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Mike Perry mikepe...@fscked.org wrote: and to suggest solutions for their security problems that involve improving their computer security for the Internet at large (open wifi, open proxies, botnets),

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2011-01-12 Thread Jay Lee Jaroslav
On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:01 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote: On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 01:17:33AM +0100, Mitar wrote: On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:26 AM, Mike Perry mikepe...@fscked.org wrote: and to suggest solutions for their security problems that involve improving their computer security for the

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2011-01-11 Thread Dirk
ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: Do it. or We do have a lawyer (how is that supposed to help me?) I will just ask the german Bundesamt für Sicherheit in der Informationstechnik (https://www.bsi.bund.de) howto setup a TOR

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2011-01-11 Thread Kory Kirk
Dirk, I don't think anyone on this list is too cool to give instructions, it is just that instructions already exist. The Tor Project website has information on how to set up a relay. http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-relay.html.en http://www.torproject.org/docs/faq.html.en

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2011-01-11 Thread Moritz Bartl
Hi Dirk, ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: What do you want to know exactly? In many countries, running an anonymizing service is definitely not illegal. Many exit operators run into trouble with their ISP, because they are

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2011-01-11 Thread Dirk
Moritz Bartl wrote: Hi Dirk, ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: What do you want to know exactly? In many countries, running an anonymizing service is definitely not illegal. This stuff:

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2011-01-11 Thread Watson Ladd
On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: Moritz Bartl wrote: Hi Dirk, ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: What do you want to know exactly? In many countries, running an anonymizing service is

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2011-01-11 Thread Ali-Reza Anghaie
Dirk, Considering I2P's German home I think you should go back to what others have said, it's not a matter of Legal, it's a matter of reducing activity that might raise the alarm of other people. So read the links sent, consider the port limitations, and work up from there. If you really need to

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2011-01-11 Thread Andrew Lewman
On Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:29:49 +0100 Dirk noi...@gmx.net wrote: But I wan't a legally binding statement from a lawyer or an official (BSI) that running TOR exit nodes in germany is legal. Ask the CCC for a start. They have defended many Germans already. -- Andrew pgp 0x74ED336B

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2011-01-11 Thread Mike Perry
Thus spake Dirk (noi...@gmx.net): ok... since this mailing list is not able to give at least some tips for running a tor exit node except: What do you want to know exactly? In many countries, running an anonymizing service is definitely not illegal. This stuff: