RE: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russell Gmirkin responded: On the first question, one might point to the Oniads as figures holding both high priestly and civil positions. The reference to Messiah the Prince (or the Anointed Prince) at Dan. 9:25 is usually taken to refer to Onias III, assassinated in exile in 170 BCE. Does

Re: orion-list 1QSb and 1QSa (and Daniel)

2001-10-13 Thread RGmyrken
David, 1QS 9:11 refers to the time when there shall come the Prophet and the Messiahs of Aaron and Israel. The Messiah figure or figures we are discussing are thus distinguished from the coming Prophet. J. Collons, _The Scepter and the Star_ (1995) has a chapter devoted to the Messiahs

Re: orion-list Daniel

2001-10-13 Thread RGmyrken
David, On 164/163 BCE as a land sabbath year, see 1 Macc. 6:28-54; 2 Macc. 13:1-22. 2 Macc. 13:1 dates this to 163, and 1 Macc. 6:48-54 indicates the reduction of Beth-Zur and Jerusalem were concluded before the expiration of the land sabbath. On the weeks of Daniel as land sabbath

RE: orion-list Daniel

2001-10-13 Thread David C. Hindley
Russell, Thanks again for the bibliography, and I certainly intend to follow up on it. I agree that Sabbatical years can be important markers in Jewish historical narratives. Daniel's Darius the Mede is of course problematic historically and should be taken into account in evaluating Daniel's

Re: orion-list Daniel

2001-10-13 Thread Walter Mattfeld
David, Your observation about Darius the Mede, intriques me. Are you aware that Herodotus at times slips and calls Persians MEDES ? Are you aware that the Romans at times called the Parthians MEDES as well ? Did you know that Cyrus according to Herodotus was the grandson of Astyages, the last