RE: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Ken Schaefer
How is this corrupt, or greedy? How is this invasive? Certainly, it's opportunist - but that's most of the free market. It's people developing new products and services and trying to sell them to you, and marketing/advertising is how they get it to you. If they can do that cheaper/better,

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Greg Keogh
Ken, you may have got a whiff of a hint that I don't like advertising, no matter where or why it's in front of me, or what deal put it there. I find targeted advertising particularly frightening and objectionable, it's a kind of perversion of technology. I have no sympathy for advertisers. The

RE: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Stephen Price
There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. Not wanting this to degenerate into name calling, and everyone are different. Its not wrong to want a good deal, and everyone loves freebies just the

RE: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Ken Schaefer
Advertising doesn't exist in a vacuum - it exists (like every other good and service) because people think it's worth paying for - unfortunate as that may be. Watching Gruen Transfer/Gruen World is enlightening for those outside the marketing/advertising world. But personal dislike doesn't

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread David Connors
On 2 December 2013 10:16, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. Not wanting this to degenerate into name calling, and everyone are

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Iain Carlin
There's a little cross in the top left hand of each of the Facebook ads. It doesn't stop the ads, you just get different ones, but it's fun to say you don't want an advert for Christmas Cake because it's sexually explicit, or flowers because you find it offensive :-) On 2 December 2013 10:37,

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Jorke Odolphi
Greg, Take a look at http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/lightbeam/ - spend a busy day with that turned on. From: g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net g...@mira.netmailto:g...@mira.net Reply-To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Date: Sunday, 1 December 2013 10:06 am To:

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Stephen Price
I think the raw nerve that is struck with a lot of people (perhaps Greg, perhaps not) is that there is an underlaying fear of manipulation, or domination. These advertisers are hooking into your psyche, manipulating you, often without you realising it. Psychology is an amazing thing because we

Re: [OT] Email forwarding

2013-12-01 Thread Grant Maw
+1 to AWS Route 53. Gives us everything we need, and very cheap. On 29 November 2013 13:07, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Thanks chaps for plenty of ideas to investigate. I just received a reply from IntaServe who have hosted our domain names (not DNS records) for several years, they

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread mike smith
Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. Ghostery would let me turn it off, but it's ordinary text, not graphics, and

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread mike smith
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 11:16 AM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: There are other words you could use to describe someone who wants everything for free and won't pay (or expect others to pay) for what they use. I'll gladly put up with the ads rather than pay, say, $20 a month

RE: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Paul Evrat
The Targeted Advertising under discussion is much more than just Adsense. Adsense is part of it but ‘old hat’ in terms of the links between Google, Facebook, Youtube, and the advertising networks that cause ads to keep reappearing if you every searched for something or went to a website

Re: [OT] Email forwarding

2013-12-01 Thread Greg Keogh
+1 to AWS Route 53. Gives us everything we need, and very cheap. Thanks, this is now looking quite attractive, as I'm running an AWS server and I just noticed I get Route 53 as part of the account -- Greg

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Greg Keogh
Has this any chance of attracting enough people to survive? *Encrypted social network vies for disgruntled WhatsApp, Facebook users

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Greg Keogh
Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes, Debt consolidation, Tafe courses. In Facebrick I keep seeing pulsating bloated cartoon tummies on the top

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Dave Walker
Slightly different topic but just remembered something interesting. We offer app for our product on all major phone environments for free (we provide a meta-search engine and get paid for customers sent downstream). People complained alot less and were actually much more likely to purchase as

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Stephen Price
Must be. I've never seen that ad. Bwahahhahaha ;) On 02/12/2013 12:39 pm, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you guys) Low home rate loans, painter quotes,

RE: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread ILT (O)
Ironically, when I go there I get a huge popup Ad in the middle of the screen that I have to dismiss. Greg, maybe that's ARN (IDG Communications) , if you're referring to what happens when you follow my link. As to what is actually at Syme, I have no idea. Did you try to connect to the site?

[OT] Syme

2013-12-01 Thread ILT (O)
I followed the link in the ARN article https://getsyme.com/ , and interestingly it's available only if you're using a Chrome browser! Will you release Syme on other platforms? Syme will soon be available on Firefox and Safari in addition to Chrome. We will look into building mobile and

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Greg Keogh
I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. Even since I have been very sensitive to propaganda, double-speak, weasel words and varieties of fallacious argument techniques;

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread mike smith
Possibly. This KS project attracted over 200k just to clean up and open the Lavabit email system (encrypted, including the metadata so beloved of the NSA. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/ladar/lavabits-dark-mail-initiative On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:24 PM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread mike smith
Probably not. Any more than the spam mail that advertises a well-known enhancement. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 3:39 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Adsense is Google's product for the phenomena. On this page in gmail, I see ads for Social Media Metrics, Restaurants in Melbourne (one of you

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread mike smith
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and lasting influence over me. The experience of 'reading' books in school scarred me. I'd

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Joseph Cooney
Has anyone read 'the circle' yet by David Eggers...seems relevant. Amazon suggested it to me ;-) On Dec 2, 2013 3:32 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: I'm glad the subject of 1984 finally came up in the context of advertising. When I read Orwell's book in early high school it had a deep and

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread mike smith
+1 for reading list. It does look rather like a certain company with 2 circles in its name. Amazon's been suggesting scrum books of late to me, before that it was hacking techniques. (move along, nothing to see here) On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Joseph Cooney joseph.coo...@gmail.comwrote:

Re: [OT] Facebook advertising

2013-12-01 Thread Stephen Price
A side note... Never sharebypur Amazon account with your wife. I eventually had to rename my account, change the email address to my wife's and make myself a new one. The romance novel recommendations were unbearable. Lol Sure you can tell it not to use certain books for suggestions but I