RE: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page
Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
[OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Already out – discussed on the list on the 9th… From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Dave Walker Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 9:31 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint. except for the surface pro 3. sigh. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
The dock for Surface 3 will drive your 4K screen, and there's a gigabit Ethernet dongle. I'm impressed with reports on the pen / OneNote use (but battery?) Ian Thomas Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8 From: Stephen Pricemailto:step...@perthprojects.com Sent: 22/05/2014 0:37 To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint. except for the surface pro 3. sigh. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Yes, I know the pens have been around a while (several Android devices, Windows laptops) – I knew the battery as D425 (looked up: same as ). _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:48 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor It’s an N-Trig digitizer – they all use batteries. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 9:25 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor The dock for Surface 3 will drive your 4K screen, and there's a gigabit Ethernet dongle. I'm impressed with reports on the pen / OneNote use (but battery?) Ian Thomas Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8 _ From: Stephen Price mailto:step...@perthprojects.com Sent: 22/05/2014 0:37 To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint. except for the surface pro 3. sigh. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Don't really like the batteries, my Dell Venue 8 has a pen that takes that and it only lasted 3 months. They were also *REALLY* hard to find a place that sell them and they don't have rechargables. At least I know where to get them so will buy a stack of them. I hope they didn't change from Wacom just for politics or whatever. ie a real reason to do so feature wise. I couldn't find anything about them tho. Anyone got any info on what N-Trig has over Wacom? On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: Yes, I know the pens have been around a while (several Android devices, Windows laptops) – I knew the battery as D425 (looked up: same as ). -- Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Schaefer *Sent:* Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:48 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor It’s an N-Trig digitizer – they all use batteries. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Ian Thomas *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 9:25 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor The dock for Surface 3 will drive your 4K screen, and there's a gigabit Ethernet dongle. I'm impressed with reports on the pen / OneNote use (but battery?) Ian Thomas Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8 -- *From: *Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com *Sent: *22/05/2014 0:37 *To: *ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com *Subject: *Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint. except for the surface pro 3. sigh. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
[OT] Browser use
This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
N-Trig’s traditionally had a bad rap. I think the Sony Vaio Flip is the only mainstream laptop that uses their latest tech DuoSense 2. Dunno if the Surface 3 will have something newer/better, or DuoSense 2. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:41 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor Don't really like the batteries, my Dell Venue 8 has a pen that takes that and it only lasted 3 months. They were also *REALLY* hard to find a place that sell them and they don't have rechargables. At least I know where to get them so will buy a stack of them. I hope they didn't change from Wacom just for politics or whatever. ie a real reason to do so feature wise. I couldn't find anything about them tho. Anyone got any info on what N-Trig has over Wacom? On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.commailto:il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: Yes, I know the pens have been around a while (several Android devices, Windows laptops) – I knew the battery as D425 (looked up: same as ). Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:48 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor It’s an N-Trig digitizer – they all use batteries. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.commailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 9:25 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor The dock for Surface 3 will drive your 4K screen, and there's a gigabit Ethernet dongle. I'm impressed with reports on the pen / OneNote use (but battery?) Ian Thomas Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8 From: Stephen Pricemailto:step...@perthprojects.com Sent: 22/05/2014 0:37 To: ozDotNetmailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint. except for the surface pro 3. sigh. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.commailto:rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.commailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.commailto:rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
Re: [OT] Browser use
I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
Re: [OT] Browser use
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.comwrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) Here comes a shitstorm. [?] David.
Re: [OT] Browser use
I totally agree with Stephen. I use Chrome for surfing and for dev. Will occassionally use IE if something is not working well in Chrome, although it is pretty rare these days that IE will work where Chrome doesn't. On 22 May 2014 12:01, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.comwrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
Re: [OT] Browser use
I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.comwrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.comwrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
This N-Trig page shows which Windows devices use their gear: http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=Windows8 Anecdotally (sample size: 3) there have been driver problems. I also see some chatter on the web. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 9:48 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor N-Trig’s traditionally had a bad rap. I think the Sony Vaio Flip is the only mainstream laptop that uses their latest tech DuoSense 2. Dunno if the Surface 3 will have something newer/better, or DuoSense 2. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:41 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor Don't really like the batteries, my Dell Venue 8 has a pen that takes that and it only lasted 3 months. They were also *REALLY* hard to find a place that sell them and they don't have rechargables. At least I know where to get them so will buy a stack of them. I hope they didn't change from Wacom just for politics or whatever. ie a real reason to do so feature wise. I couldn't find anything about them tho. Anyone got any info on what N-Trig has over Wacom? On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:14 AM, ILT (O) il.tho...@outlook.com wrote: Yes, I know the pens have been around a while (several Android devices, Windows laptops) – I knew the battery as D425 (looked up: same as ). _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 8:48 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor It’s an N-Trig digitizer – they all use batteries. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 9:25 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor The dock for Surface 3 will drive your 4K screen, and there's a gigabit Ethernet dongle. I'm impressed with reports on the pen / OneNote use (but battery?) Ian Thomas Sent from my Nokia Lumia 920 - Windows Phone 8 _ From: Stephen Price mailto:step...@perthprojects.com Sent: 22/05/2014 0:37 To: ozDotNet mailto:ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor h don't encourage me like that!! i'm showing amazing restraint. except for the surface pro 3. sigh. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
RE: [OT] Browser use
I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but
RE: [OT] Browser use
Use Chrome myself. It simply works better than IE in many cases. That doesn't particularly mean I support them, especially in light of their involvement with the NSA. But if the US government wants to expose my porn viewing to further their agenda in future, well so be it I guess. Ha. T. Sent from my Windows Phone -- From: anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: 22/05/2014 12:26 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported.
Re: [OT] Browser use
I tend to us Firefox for general use - mix of chrome, ffox, ie for dev work Jason Roberts Journeyman Software Developer Twitter: @robertsjason Blog: http://DontCodeTired.com Pluralsight Courses: http://bit.ly/psjasonroberts From: Bec Carter Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 9:43 AM To: ozDotNet This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over https and both are ASP.net apps with very minor differences. The major differences are in their proxy configurations. I can understand why credentials are required but not why they seem to be automatically offered in one case but not in the other. Where can I find some documentation about how Windows and Office conspire together to grab CSS files so Word can decide what text formatting to offer? -- Regards, noonie
Re: [OT] Browser use
So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data any way they want? The underdog so to speak? Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money! If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:*
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What data and how can/do they use it? Emails? Don't think anybody cares about my silly emails :-) On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:25 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for credentials on one site but not on another, similarly configured, site. Both sites are basic auth over
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Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a few…it also inspires competition and innovation. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data any way they want? The underdog so to speak? Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money! If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of noonie Sent: Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. --
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I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too many people. I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated. There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11. You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”. Wish it wasn’t so. Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our web site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us. Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a few…it also inspires competition and innovation. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data any way they want? The underdog so to speak? Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money! If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com mailto:anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com mailto:step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com mailto:david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com mailto:bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie
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We care, Bec. We care. :) On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: What data and how can/do they use it? Emails? Don't think anybody cares about my silly emails :-) On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:25 PM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 6:10 PM, noonie neale.n...@gmail.com wrote: Ken, Different browsers different behaviours and now I know why. Different sites may be different user behaviours and I suspect I know why. Now all I have to figure out is how to make it go away because, fundamentally, that's all that users want ;-) -- noonie On 21/05/2014 3:54 PM, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: So you’re using different browsers to access the different sites? What if you swap the browsers around? Does the behaviour follow the browser? Or stay with the website? That will probably give you a clue as to whether it’s a browser, proxy or website issue. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Wednesday, 21 May 2014 3:29 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Thanks Ken, IE and Chrome behave differently and, as the clipboard is involved here, things get even murkier. We're warming up WireShark as I write ;-) -- noonie On 20 May 2014 13:48, Ken Schaefer k...@adopenstatic.com wrote: I’d start by finding out whether the challenge is coming from the proxy server or not. Packet capture on the proxy server can probably help you here, as it should show what the proxy server is doing vs. what is coming directly from the web server. Cheers Ken *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 May 2014 8:22 AM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Probably not IE as the user agent string is slightly different ending in MSOffice 12 which indicates Outlook or Word. It identifies itself as an earlier version of IE tahn the version installed as the browser. -- noonie On 19 May 2014 19:22, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I would assume word is using the IE to grad the urls, hence if you have logged into the website using IE, then word may be aware of this? Just my suggestion…not sure how true it is! *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *noonie *Sent:* Monday, 19 May 2014 6:20 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* [OT] Copy Paste from protected Web page Greetings, I'm trying to figure out an issue that a user has reported. When they copy text from a Web page into Microsoft Word they are prompted for
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Aside from all the good qualities of Chrome as a 'normal' browser user, I'm so habituated on the Chrome dev tools that I couldn't change even if I wanted to. Joseph On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.comwrote: I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too many people. I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated. There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11. You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”. Wish it wasn’t so. Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our web site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us. Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *anthonyatsmall...@mail.com *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM *To:* 'ozDotNet' *Subject:* RE: [OT] Browser use Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a few…it also inspires competition and innovation. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [ mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Price *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data any way they want? The underdog so to speak? Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money! If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig van Nieuwkerk *Sent:* Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM *To:* ozDotNet *Subject:* Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorshiphttp://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR. (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across different browsers. Even on my now dead Macbook I used Chrome and just find it nicer than Safari or IE. Just curious :-) On
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On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.comwrote: You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”. Wish it wasn’t so.
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Though Chrome is my main browser and has been for awhile, I recently switched over to using Firefox (Aurora channel) for dev stuff. The main reason was to have a look at the recent additions to their dev tools https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/editable-box-model-multiple-selection-sublime-text-keys-much-more-firefox-developer-tools-episode-31/ On 22 May 2014 14:20, David Connors da...@connors.com wrote: On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 1:32 PM, GregAtGregLowDotCom g...@greglow.comwrote: You can't even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk to the ATO, they just say Use Chrome. Wish it wasn't so.
RE: [OT] Browser use
GregL - I thought I saw, 2-3 weeks/months ago? - that IE11 can be put into Edge Mode (IE8) – but of course that requires your visitors to be aware of that. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of GregAtGregLowDotCom Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:33 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use I never thought I’d change my default browser but I had to do so with IE11. Moved to using Chrome as a default. I eventually I got to a point where I just had to get things done and whether or not Microsoft believe they did the right thing by removing the agent string entries, they “broke the internet” for too many people. I don’t think they understood the politics of this. If someone is browsing ok, and updates to IE11 and then so many sites don’t work, they won’t blame the sites, they’ll blame what they just updated. There were lots of Microsoft’s own properties that wouldn’t work with IE11. You can’t even lodge a BAS return here in Australia with IE11 and if you talk to the ATO, they just say “Use Chrome”. Wish it wasn’t so. Last month was the first month where I noted more Chrome use than IE use at our web site, and we’re a Microsoft related site. That’s a big change for us from 6 months ago. It used to be an IE majority for us. Apart from the lack of compatibility with so many existing sites, I quite like many things about IE11. I just can’t get work done when it’s my default browser. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: http://www.sqldownunder.com/ www.sqldownunder.com From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of anthonyatsmall...@mail.com Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:23 AM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: [OT] Browser use Just want to spread my use of technology amongst many companies instead of a few…it also inspires competition and innovation. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Price Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 1:18 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use So you would rather support a small non powerful company that uses your data any way they want? The underdog so to speak? Personally, I'd rather use the browser that does everything I want it to and none of the things I don't. Targeted advertising? Sure I want that. I *WANT* to see ads for the latest and greatest Tablet or Monitor. I *don't* want to see tampon ads. Sign me up. Shut up and take my money! If said company becomes an issue, I'll change. I'm a fickle customer, more so than they are. I'm using them more than they are using me. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:25 AM, anthonyatsmall...@mail.com wrote: I use Firefox, Chrome is great but I do not want to support a company that is so powerful and use your data what ever way they want. From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Craig van Nieuwkerk Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:06 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: [OT] Browser use I am pretty much with you. I find IE works better with VS so use it for most development unless I need to do a lot of client side debugging in which case I use Chrome. I then use Chrome for everyday use. I only use Firefox for cross browser testing. Craig On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: I disagree. I think? I find I use Chrome and IE. For development it depends what I'm doing. If I want to hit a breakpoint in VS then IE does that. If I want to use the debugger in the browser then I use Chrome. IE keeps changing their Developer tools and even though they are improving I still find Chrome more productive for debugging. For actual USE I use Chrome for most things but occasionally something doesn't work right and I switch. Pluralsite for example seems to hang after a while in Chrome. No issues in IE. Not used Firefox in some years. Toggling between two is fine. A third becomes too much. On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 9:53 AM, David Burstin david.burs...@gmail.com wrote: I was using Firefox on some machines, but recently moved to Chrome as a political statement, not because I love Google but rather because I wanted to show my dissatisfaction with Firefox's political correctness/censorship http://readwrite.com/2014/04/03/brendan-eich-mozilla-resigns-ceo#awesm=~oEX2WzjEhsumsR . (And in case you were wondering, I do support marriage equality but even more than that I support peoples right to disagree with me. Agree?) On 22 May 2014 11:43, Bec Carter bec.usern...@gmail.com wrote: This thread got me wondering if anybody here actually uses a browser other than Chrome. By *use* I mean to personally browse and not to just test sites across
Re: [OT] Samsung U28D590D 4K Monitor
Dave, I blame you entirely. I got the monitor (Samsung 4K) and have mixed results. It's entirely dependant on what your graphics card can do. When I plug it into my desktop (sporting a GTX690) it only seems to support 2560x1440. That said there is a box to enter a custom res which I can select 3840x2160 @ 30hz. It won't go higher (which I think is normal see note following regarding QuadHD laptop). It works but it seems somewhat blurry. I'm not sure yet if I will use it at higher res or drop back to the one it wants to use. It seems way crisper/sharper at that. If I go that route then its an expensive Ultra monitor. (which is future proof when my graphics cards catch up). I did plug in my Samsung Book 9 plus which is QuadHD (on the laptop) and the output looked fantastic. So there's nothing wrong with the monitor. The laptop (using mini hdmi or whatever it is, a strange small connector) to HDMI did 3840x2160 @ 30hz and looked crisp and clear. I may end up putting my 30inch back in the middle (which is amazingly much larger considering 28 vs 30 is only 2) and using the new samsung 4K monitor as second screen for my laptop. (I usually RDP to my laptops to get 4 screen support anyway so... ahh) So my take on this, if you have a new machine with Haswell chipset then I'd say go for it. Anything else and you may well be dissapointed (although it might trigger further graphics card upgrades which is always good haha) Stephen (your friendly neighbourhood Guinea Pig) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:42 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.com wrote: Do you need some enabling? You should buy one Stephen. Then tell the rest of us how it is for coding/etc. On 21 May 2014 18:38, Stephen Price step...@perthprojects.com wrote: Yeah I've been looking at that monitor for a week now. Austin Computers has them in stock. http://www.austin.net.au/shop-categories/monitor/samsung-u28d590d-28-3840-x-2160-widescreen-le.html To be honest I'm not even sure why I don't have one now. Delaying the impulse buy as long as I can... :) On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 7:31 PM, Dave Walker rangitat...@gmail.comwrote: Anyone looking to get a U28D590D 4K / 3840 X 2160 monitor when they are released? Look pretty awesome.. http://www.samsung.com/levant/consumer/computers-peripherals/monitors/led-monitor/LU28D590DS/ZN
