Re: Degen 1103 portable radio version 2.0

[Dane Trethowan]

Sorry, forgot to paste the link for the review

http://swling.com/blog/2015/11/the-new-degen-de1103-dsp-first-impressions-review/



On 22/07/2016 12:09 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yep point taken but be aware that you can get better travelling radios.


The 1103 is indeed a budget priced radio and the sound is okay but not 
good.



Then it does have some overloading issues to consider.


Some of what the 1103 offers - including setting presets is very 
difficult for a totally blind person though not impossible.



All in all it goes back to what I said a couple of weeks ago, evaluate 
a radio on exactly what you want from it.



The 1103 does perform well over bands but its a cheap radio and I 
myself - if I were travelling - would much prefer the Eton Satellite 
even though its more expensive, its a better performing radio, easily 
accessible etc.





On 22/07/2016 12:04 PM, Donald L. Roberts wrote:
When I go out of town, I don't want to take the 2010 with me.  I want 
something smaller when traveling.



Don Roberts



On 7/21/2016 4:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The price is fairly typical yes but I have a question, you have a 
Sony 2010 do you not so why do you want to downgrade to a Degen 
1103? That’s pretty much what your doing.


The Degen is a much smaller size and - whilst there’s no argument 
whatever that as a budget radio it performs very well - the 2010 is 
better.


The difference between the two versions isn’t very much as far as I 
know, the version 2 has the addition of up/down buttons.



On 22 Jul 2016, at 7:49 AM, Donald L. Roberts 
 wrote:


I have been considering the purchase of the Degen 1103.  But when I 
went to search for it, I found that there is a version 2 release.  
About the best price I noted was $55.00 U.S. with $24 for shipping 
from Hong Kong.



I therefore have two questions.  First, is this price fairly 
typical?  Second, how does the new version differ from the former, 
pros and cons if known?



Thanks.


Don Roberts



**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest 
of the halfwits in this world behind.











--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Degen 1103 portable radio version 2.0

[Dane Trethowan]

Hi!


Ikay, I managed to track down a review of the Degen 1103 Version 2.0 review.


There is quite a difference in design with the version 2.0 over the 
original in that this new version uses a DSP aproach as do most modern 
radios - DSP means Digital Signal Processing so in other words this 
radio is a SDR - Software Defined Radio - with a computer for want of a 
better description running the software which defines how the radio 
functions and what its capable of -.



As you'll see in the review the chaps actually doing the hard yards with 
the radio were hugely disappointed as I would be if I encountered the 
problems mentioned in any Short Wave Radio I have.



Several Suggestions are made regarding alternatives for the 1103 Version 
2.0 - not the least is the original Degen 1103 if you can still get one 
-, I have my own views of the suggested replacements and I offer them thus.



The CC Skywave - whilst a fun an practical radio to use with many 
features - does not have excellent sensitivity on the Medium-Wave band 
and certainly doesn't perform well on Short Wave.



All the Tecsun sets I've tested have performed well on Short Wave but 
are absolutely terrible on Medium Wave, the best Tecsun performer on 
Medium-Wave I've seen is the PL880 and even that was very average 
compared to other sets.



So for a cheap travel radio what would I suggest? Well again depending 
on your needs, if you just want FM/AM then you can't beat the Sangean PDR19.



If its Short Wave listening you want as well then the new Sangean aTS405 
is certainly worth a look.





On 22/07/2016 12:09 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yep point taken but be aware that you can get better travelling radios.


The 1103 is indeed a budget priced radio and the sound is okay but not 
good.



Then it does have some overloading issues to consider.


Some of what the 1103 offers - including setting presets is very 
difficult for a totally blind person though not impossible.



All in all it goes back to what I said a couple of weeks ago, evaluate 
a radio on exactly what you want from it.



The 1103 does perform well over bands but its a cheap radio and I 
myself - if I were travelling - would much prefer the Eton Satellite 
even though its more expensive, its a better performing radio, easily 
accessible etc.





On 22/07/2016 12:04 PM, Donald L. Roberts wrote:
When I go out of town, I don't want to take the 2010 with me.  I want 
something smaller when traveling.



Don Roberts



On 7/21/2016 4:07 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
The price is fairly typical yes but I have a question, you have a 
Sony 2010 do you not so why do you want to downgrade to a Degen 
1103? That’s pretty much what your doing.


The Degen is a much smaller size and - whilst there’s no argument 
whatever that as a budget radio it performs very well - the 2010 is 
better.


The difference between the two versions isn’t very much as far as I 
know, the version 2 has the addition of up/down buttons.



On 22 Jul 2016, at 7:49 AM, Donald L. Roberts 
 wrote:


I have been considering the purchase of the Degen 1103.  But when I 
went to search for it, I found that there is a version 2 release.  
About the best price I noted was $55.00 U.S. with $24 for shipping 
from Hong Kong.



I therefore have two questions.  First, is this price fairly 
typical?  Second, how does the new version differ from the former, 
pros and cons if known?



Thanks.


Don Roberts



**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest 
of the halfwits in this world behind.











--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

RE: Hurricans vs Sharks

[André van Deventer]

Fanus

Sorry man should have gotten to you earlier.  If you have tunein radio  it 
works on there.  Just search for radio new Zealand sport and you will be good 
to go.  This one still works fine.

Poor sharkies!!

André

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Fanus
Sent: 22 July 2016 08:04 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Hurricans vs Sharks

Hello Andre
I hope you are well.
Have you perhaps found a way to listen to the match tomorrow morning. The 
station on tapin radio does not play and even the New Zealand app on the iphone 
is silent.
Regards
Fanus


From: André van Deventer
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

As far as I understand it it is just an analog input.  At least that is what 
the manual that I downloaded says.

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yes okay, sorry about the miss-understanding there , I've read those 
complaints too in reviews and - whilst those reviewers are very much entitled 
to their viewpoint - I think it trivia givin what the MM3's are but that's 
going over old ground again.


Regarding the line-in? You're correct about audio quality depreciating 
somewhat, its an analogue line-in after all and the MM1'S are based around 
Digital input hence the USB cable from the computer to the MM1's.


Now I can't remember exactly whether the analogue input of the MM1's doubles as 
a Toslink 3.5MM digital input? I know the input socket on the
A7 can be used as both analogue and digital, I have the A7 linked to my Sangean 
DDR63+ through a digital cable so with that - the DDr63 has DAB+ Radio, CD 
Player, Internet Radio, iPod dock etc -, with the A7'S ability to stream 
AirPlay and it linked to my computer via USB I have a pretty powerful system to 
be going on with.




On 22/07/2016 6:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> Dane
>
> Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this 
> list has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge 
> room with sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this. 
>  Perhaps this is what I should have said.
>
> Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
> so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm 
> input of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
> depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the 
> signal processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.
>
> André
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>
> Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
> not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
> complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker 
> set and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer 
> speakers wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that 
> at all.
>
>
> Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
> however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.
>
>
> Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
> have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in 
> front of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - 
> or even house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth 
> considering.
>
>
> I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
> input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
> connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.
>
>
> The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
> speakers.
>
>
> My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music 
> systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any 
> others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other 
> and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a 
> pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.
>
>
> Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits 
> everything in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.
>
>
>
> On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
>> The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very 
>> very good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about 
>> it not filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  

Hurricans vs Sharks

[Fanus]

Hello Andre
I hope you are well.
Have you perhaps found a way to listen to the match tomorrow morning. The 
station on tapin radio does not play and even the New Zealand app on the iphone 
is silent.
Regards
Fanus


From: André van Deventer 
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:03 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

As far as I understand it it is just an analog input.  At least that is what 
the manual that I downloaded says.

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yes okay, sorry about the miss-understanding there , I've read those 
complaints too in reviews and - whilst those reviewers are very much entitled 
to their viewpoint - I think it trivia givin what the MM3's are but that's 
going over old ground again.


Regarding the line-in? You're correct about audio quality depreciating 
somewhat, its an analogue line-in after all and the MM1'S are based around 
Digital input hence the USB cable from the computer to the MM1's.


Now I can't remember exactly whether the analogue input of the MM1's doubles as 
a Toslink 3.5MM digital input? I know the input socket on the
A7 can be used as both analogue and digital, I have the A7 linked to my Sangean 
DDR63+ through a digital cable so with that - the DDr63 has DAB+ Radio, CD 
Player, Internet Radio, iPod dock etc -, with the A7'S ability to stream 
AirPlay and it linked to my computer via USB I have a pretty powerful system to 
be going on with.




On 22/07/2016 6:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> Dane
>
> Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this 
> list has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge 
> room with sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this. 
>  Perhaps this is what I should have said.
>
> Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
> so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm 
> input of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
> depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the 
> signal processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.
>
> André
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>
> Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
> not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
> complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker 
> set and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer 
> speakers wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that 
> at all.
>
>
> Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
> however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.
>
>
> Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
> have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in 
> front of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - 
> or even house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth 
> considering.
>
>
> I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
> input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
> connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.
>
>
> The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
> speakers.
>
>
> My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music 
> systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any 
> others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other 
> and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a 
> pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.
>
>
> Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits 
> everything in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.
>
>
>
> On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
>> The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very 
>> very good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about 
>> it not filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not 
>> designed to do that.They are designed to give you clear sound without 
>> booming bass when you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is 
>> incredibly clear and detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a 
>> small set of speakers but it is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough 
>> you can actually feel the bass on the desktop where they are standing.  They 
>> cost 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[André van Deventer]

As far as I understand it it is just an analog input.  At least that is what 
the manual that I downloaded says.

Regards

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 12:48 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yes okay, sorry about the miss-understanding there , I've read those 
complaints too in reviews and - whilst those reviewers are very much entitled 
to their viewpoint - I think it trivia givin what the MM3's are but that's 
going over old ground again.


Regarding the line-in? You're correct about audio quality depreciating 
somewhat, its an analogue line-in after all and the MM1'S are based around 
Digital input hence the USB cable from the computer to the MM1's.


Now I can't remember exactly whether the analogue input of the MM1's doubles as 
a Toslink 3.5MM digital input? I know the input socket on the
A7 can be used as both analogue and digital, I have the A7 linked to my Sangean 
DDR63+ through a digital cable so with that - the DDr63 has DAB+ Radio, CD 
Player, Internet Radio, iPod dock etc -, with the A7'S ability to stream 
AirPlay and it linked to my computer via USB I have a pretty powerful system to 
be going on with.




On 22/07/2016 6:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> Dane
>
> Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this 
> list has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge 
> room with sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this. 
>  Perhaps this is what I should have said.
>
> Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
> so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm 
> input of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
> depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the 
> signal processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.
>
> André
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>
> Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
> not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
> complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker 
> set and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer 
> speakers wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that 
> at all.
>
>
> Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
> however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.
>
>
> Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
> have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in 
> front of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - 
> or even house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth 
> considering.
>
>
> I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
> input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
> connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.
>
>
> The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
> speakers.
>
>
> My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music
> systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any
> others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other
> and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a
> pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.
>
>
> Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits
> everything in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.
>
>
>
> On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
>> The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very 
>> very good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about 
>> it not filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not 
>> designed to do that.They are designed to give you clear sound without 
>> booming bass when you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is 
>> incredibly clear and detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a 
>> small set of speakers but it is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough 
>> you can actually feel the bass on the desktop where they are standing.  They 
>> cost me both my arms and both my legs but are certainly worth it.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>>
>> Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes okay, sorry about the miss-understanding there , I've read 
those complaints too in reviews and - whilst those reviewers are very 
much entitled to their viewpoint - I think it trivia givin what the 
MM3's are but that's going over old ground again.



Regarding the line-in? You're correct about audio quality depreciating 
somewhat, its an analogue line-in after all and the MM1'S are based 
around Digital input hence the USB cable from the computer to the MM1's.



Now I can't remember exactly whether the analogue input of the MM1's 
doubles as a Toslink 3.5MM digital input? I know the input socket on the 
A7 can be used as both analogue and digital, I have the A7 linked to my 
Sangean DDR63+ through a digital cable so with that - the DDr63 has DAB+ 
Radio, CD Player, Internet Radio, iPod dock etc -, with the A7'S ability 
to stream AirPlay and it linked to my computer via USB I have a pretty 
powerful system to be going on with.





On 22/07/2016 6:49 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

Dane

Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this list 
has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge room with 
sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this.  Perhaps 
this is what I should have said.

Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm input 
of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the signal 
processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.

André

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker set 
and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer speakers 
wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that at all.


Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.


Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in front 
of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - or even 
house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth considering.


I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.


The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
speakers.


My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music
systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any
others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other
and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a
pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.


Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits everything
in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.



On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very very 
good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about it not 
filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not designed to do 
that.They are designed to give you clear sound without booming bass when 
you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is incredibly clear and 
detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small set of speakers but it 
is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can actually feel the bass on 
the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me both my arms and both my 
legs but are certainly worth it.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not the 
type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting sound too 
far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you sitting nearly in 
front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting either side of 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[André van Deventer]

Dane

Perhaps I have not expressed myself correctly.  Definitely no one on this list 
has complained about the fact that these speakers do not fill a huge room with 
sound.  But I have read quite a few reviews complaining about this.  Perhaps 
this is what I should have said.

Like you I like the fact that the DAC is actually built into the the speakers 
so that you will only need a USB connection.  I have not tried the 3.5 mm input 
of the speakers yet but according to what I have read the sound quality 
depreciates quite a bit - which makes me think that perhaps much of the signal 
processing is actually done at the DAC stage of the speakers.

André

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 10:15 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 speaker set 
not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm aware of has 
complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait of this speaker set 
and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop pair of computer speakers 
wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're not designed to do that at all.


Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse sound 
however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as computer speakers.


Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before as I 
have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with you in front 
of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its room filling - or even 
house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 are worth considering.


I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - a USB 
input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card would be 
connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.


The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop computer 
speakers.


My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music
systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any
others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other
and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a
pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.


Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits everything
in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.



On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:
> The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very 
> very good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about 
> it not filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not 
> designed to do that.They are designed to give you clear sound without 
> booming bass when you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is 
> incredibly clear and detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small 
> set of speakers but it is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can 
> actually feel the bass on the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me 
> both my arms and both my legs but are certainly worth it.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>
> Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
> through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later 
> on today.
>
> You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
> thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re 
> not the type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at 
> projecting sound too far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi 
> sound with you sitting nearly in front of them at your computer desk with the 
> M1’s sitting either side of you pounding up the rich sound.
>
> On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
> and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
> something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
> up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker 
> system.
>
>
>> On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>
>> Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is 
>> a wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a 
>> small desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on 
>> occasionally for quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, 
>> no damage apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is 
>> some kind of sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, 
>> that the occasional sound coming through 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Can I ask you who has complained about the Bowers And Wilkins MM1 
speaker set not filling a house with sound? No one on this list that I'm 
aware of has complained about that, I've meerly mentioned it as a trait 
of this speaker set and its perfectly acceptible to think that a desktop 
pair of computer speakers wouldn't fill a house with sound as they're 
not designed to do that at all.



Logitech and other cheaper manufacturers do make speakers that disperse 
sound however they don't sound nearly as good as the MM1's do as 
computer speakers.



Again I make the obvious point which you're making and have made before 
as I have done, the MM1 speakers are great placed on your desktop with 
you in front of them or near them to fully enjoy them however if its 
room filling - or even house filling - sound you want then the A7 or A5 
are worth considering.



I think of the A7 as a computer speaker because it has - like the MM1 - 
a USB input so it can be connected to your computer as a USB sound card 
would be connected - as is the case with the MM1's -.



The A7 is more a speaker music system whereas the MM1's are desktop 
computer speakers.



My only other comment is that I really wish I knew of other music 
systems that had a USB input as the A7 does so if anyone knows any 
others then perhaps they may wish to comment? I only know of one other 
and that's the Kef X300 I think its call and that system is actually a 
pair of bookshelf speakers so they're rather large.



Its a beautiful set of speakers without a doubt and exhibits everything 
in sound that Kef speakers are well known for.




On 22/07/2016 5:35 PM, André van Deventer wrote:

The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very very 
good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about it not 
filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not designed to do 
that.They are designed to give you clear sound without booming bass when 
you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is incredibly clear and 
detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small set of speakers but it 
is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can actually feel the bass on 
the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me both my arms and both my 
legs but are certainly worth it.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not the 
type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting sound too 
far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you sitting nearly in 
front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting either side of you pounding 
up the rich sound.

On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker system.



On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:

Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is a 
wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a small 
desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally for 
quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I was 
not actually using the Mac.
Mary


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On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay  wrote:

  mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. I 
think i'd be interested.  Chris
- Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers


This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you leave 
it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using it, it's 
fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have done on 
occasion, yes, it does get hot.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Hi 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

[André van Deventer]

The mm1 is manufactured as a desk top set and that is the job it does very very 
good.  I really cannot understand the complaints some folks have about it not 
filling up the whole house or big room with sound.  They are not designed to do 
that.They are designed to give you clear sound without booming bass when 
you are sitting in front of them.  And the sound is incredibly clear and 
detailed.  The bass is definitely there for such a small set of speakers but it 
is not a booming sound.  Interestingly enough you can actually feel the bass on 
the desktop where they are standing.  They cost me both my arms and both my 
legs but are certainly worth it.



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 22 July 2016 01:12 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers

Yep fair point about the “Standby” issue unless something could trigger them 
through the USB port connection perhaps? I’ll do some research on that later on 
today.

You’re right about opinion on sound being very subjective .  The one 
thing I’ll say about the M1’s from hearing them that often is that they’re not 
the type of speaker for a lounge room - meaning they’re not good at projecting 
sound too far - so obviously they’re meant to enjoy good Hi-Fi sound with you 
sitting nearly in front of them at your computer desk with the M1’s sitting 
either side of you pounding up the rich sound.

On the other hand - if you want something that projects sound far and wide - 
and sounds as good at one end of the house as it does the other - then 
something like the A7 might be the go, the A7 I have myself and it also hooks 
up to the USB port of your computer which is a great touch for a speaker system.


> On 22 Jul 2016, at 8:25 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>
> Well, opinion of sound is always quite subjective, but I think the BMW M1 is 
> a wonderful speaker. For their size, they are downright amazing. They are a 
> small desk top speaker. And yes, even though I have left mine on occasionally 
> for quite some time, and the right speaker did get rather warm, no damage 
> apparently resulted from that. I don't honestly know if there is some kind of 
> sleep or standby mode. It could also be even if there is one, that the 
> occasional sound coming through my Mac, such as a mail notification or 
> whatever, would've been enough to keep triggering the speakers even when I 
> was not actually using the Mac.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 12:04 PM, chris ramsay  wrote:
>>
>>  mary what is your opinion of the sound of the b and w speakers. 
>> I think i'd be interested.  Chris
>> - Original Message - From: "Mary Otten" 
>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins MM1 Computer Speakers
>>
>>
>> This beaker containing all the amplification stuff does get hot. If you 
>> leave it on for a long time. If you just turn it off when you're not using 
>> it, it's fine. But if you forget and leave it on for a long time as I have 
>> done on occasion, yes, it does get hot.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Dane Trethowan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there!
>>>
>>> I know that people on this list have these speakers and I’m saving for a 
>>> pair myself.
>>>
>>> So to my question, I read another review on these fine speakers which 
>>> states that the speakers get hot after use.
>>>
>>> Well I’ve seen and listened to them enough and I’ve never noticed any real 
>>> heat generation from them though to be perfectly fair I’ve never used a 
>>> pair over a long period of time in a home environment so I put the question 
>>> to you all.
>>>
>>> I’m sure the MM1’s generate a little heat but - as I’ve seen them thus far 
>>> - no more than body heat type temperature.
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>
>>
>>
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halfwits in this world behind.





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