RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Ah the 7's using 4.2? Epic.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian Olesen
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2016 11:11 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: SV: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Hi,
Yep. 4.2 to be precise.

Brian

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Fra: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] På vegne af Dane Trethowan
Sendt: 8. september 2016 21:16
Til: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Emne: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I know - 
are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on power usage.



On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:
> Hi!
> Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay.
> But i may have heard wrong.
> /A
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hmm, interesting.
>> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
>> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
>> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
>> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps 
>> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth.
>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
>>> secret sauce.
>>>
>>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
>>>
>>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the 
>>> headphone jack and the Airpod tech and design.
>>>
>>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
>>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz
>>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to 
>>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. 
>>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple 
>>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and 
>>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like 
>>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff 
>>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>>
>>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus 
>>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - 
>>> and that can only be a plus.
>>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 
>>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of 
>>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet 
>>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>>> Arcam DAC .
>>>
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim Noonan
>>> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
>>>
>>> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
>>> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
>>> Skype:   VoiceReadings
>>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
>>>
>>> Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
>>> Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
>>> Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
>>> Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com
>>>
>>>
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>
>>
>>
>

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

I think they looked at a diagram or something. Which isn't the same as
looking at the actual thing and feeling it up. But my Nephew Jonathan said
that from the picks he saw meh it's about the same size. So maybe the
speaker took the space up or the taptic or what ever you call that vibrator
in the new home button. Oh well Se La Vi.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 11:31 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Unless Leo had a good look at the inside of the phone, he is in no position
to know whether they could've kept the port and kept the size the same.
Blowing smoke as usual. That's what these guys on these big bloviating
podcasts do. They blow smoke. They stir the water. Blah blah blah.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren't enough for Apple to
care and so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst
charging. Again their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see
though they also know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that
Change isn't always good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have
to feel the fone up to see if there's anything to when Leo said that they
could have kept the port.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN
RIEHL
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of
hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the
ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of
"thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit
Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they
didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like
wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better.
Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting
that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be
wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords
always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use
for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something
like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree
it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded
but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus
stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone -
and that can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice
additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of
Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet
another standard? I wasn't presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can
plug in DAC's if better sound is what we're after or we have AirPlay.
> I'll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the
Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

I wouldn't dismiss that one, I'm sure I've read something that in the 
media but it went mysteriously quiet.




On 9/09/2016 12:45 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

Somebody on another list I am on said, and I have no idea if they are blowing 
smoke or actually know something, that Apple has some kind of agreement with 
somebody who has developed a wireless charging system where you can be within 
15 feet of the source, and have your device be charging without having to have 
a pad or anything plugged in, except presumably some sort of thing plugged into 
a wall socket. They were speculating that Apple may have found some kind a flaw 
in a chip or somesuch thing which meant they didn't go with wireless charging 
this time. Again, I have no idea. I have certainly red things about companies 
trying to develop wireless charging where you don't have to have direct contact 
between your device and whatever is charging it. And this guy is claiming that 
Apple has an agreement with this company that will make that happen.  I really 
don't see the big deal about wireless charging where you have a pad that's 
plugged into the wall, then you have to put your phone on the pad. What's the 
big deal between that and a dock? If they get this wireless charging where 
somehow the charge is conducted through the air to your device, now that is 
worth pursuing perhaps.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:

Just a lightning connector unfortunately, I wonder why Apple have held back on 
Wireless charging.




On 9/09/2016 11:56 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging 
done wirelessly as well?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

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From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial 
by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial 
capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I 
said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging 
my phone.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.


On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness".


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to u

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Mary Otten]

Somebody on another list I am on said, and I have no idea if they are blowing 
smoke or actually know something, that Apple has some kind of agreement with 
somebody who has developed a wireless charging system where you can be within 
15 feet of the source, and have your device be charging without having to have 
a pad or anything plugged in, except presumably some sort of thing plugged into 
a wall socket. They were speculating that Apple may have found some kind a flaw 
in a chip or somesuch thing which meant they didn't go with wireless charging 
this time. Again, I have no idea. I have certainly red things about companies 
trying to develop wireless charging where you don't have to have direct contact 
between your device and whatever is charging it. And this guy is claiming that 
Apple has an agreement with this company that will make that happen.  I really 
don't see the big deal about wireless charging where you have a pad that's 
plugged into the wall, then you have to put your phone on the pad. What's the 
big deal between that and a dock? If they get this wireless charging where 
somehow the charge is conducted through the air to your device, now that is 
worth pursuing perhaps.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> Just a lightning connector unfortunately, I wonder why Apple have held back 
> on Wireless charging.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/09/2016 11:56 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote:
>> Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is 
>> charging done wirelessly as well?
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Steve Jacobson
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
>> Campos
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now 
>> what? What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord 
>> anyways. Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what 
>> evs.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
>> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
>> underwater... (smiles)
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
>> Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
>> about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining 
>> something substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, 
>> but I'm losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and 
>> charge my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting 
>> several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound 
>> one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
>> There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
>> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
>> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon 
>> would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in 
>> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing 
>> condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
>> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
>> about it all.
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
>>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
>>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.
>&

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Just a lightning connector unfortunately, I wonder why Apple have held 
back on Wireless charging.




On 9/09/2016 11:56 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote:

Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging 
done wirelessly as well?

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial 
by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial 
capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I 
said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging 
my phone.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.


On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness".


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t 
presented with much information on them

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Steve Jacobson]

Was it specified whether there is still a lightning connector, or is charging 
done wirelessly as well?  

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 10:04 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my 
phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and 
listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Blueto

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Once upon a time that may have been true but Apple devices - as far as I 
know - are using the newer Bluetooth 4.x standards which cut down on 
power usage.




On 9/09/2016 1:53 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay.
But i may have heard wrong.
/A

On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Hmm, interesting.
I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps that’s 
why Apple chose Bluetooth.


On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan  wrote:

The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret 
sauce.

Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.

Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
jack and the Airpod tech and design.

Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz

On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC 
.

**
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halfwits in this world behind.






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Phone:   +61 419 779 669
Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
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Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Again I must be missing something absolutely vitally important, I've 
never seen any sense whatever in owning an Apple Watch particularly from 
an audio point of view.




On 9/09/2016 1:40 AM, Anders Holmberg wrote:

Hi!
Yes i will wait to update as i have the Iphone SE on a pay plan.
I would like to buy the new apple watch though.
/

On 8 Sep 2016, at 00:46, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC 
.

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Fitting isn't the problem, the Apple hardware may very well be.



On 9/09/2016 1:18 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

This connects by lightning right? Sweet Watter has that mike. It should I
don't see why it wouldn't fit.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:55 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I
am not sure it will even fit on the 7!  The Rode support people would not
comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400,
Dane Trethowan wrote:

Whilst I don?t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound

one at that - thus I believe I?m in a position to comment as I have done.

There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I?ve seen cases

already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.

As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon

would be up to the job not that I?ve had absolute personal experience in
this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing
condition but that?s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this
list.

I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just

whine about it all.

On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of

hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the
ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.

I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of

"thinness".


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than

blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they
didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like
wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better.
Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting
that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be
wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords
always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use
for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something
like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree
it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded
but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus

stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone -
and that can only be a plus.

According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice

additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of
Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet
another standard? I wasn?t presented with much information on them.

No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can

plug in DAC?s if better sound is what we?re after or we have AirPlay.

I?ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on

the Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of

the halfwits in this world behind.







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halfwits in this world behind.





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How do
you spend it?

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  cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

But the funny thing about all this is that no one has to change, hang on 
to your iPhone 6 or ^S and use it, you don't have to buy a 7 and I 
certainly don't intend to though the Headphone socket isn't the reason 
.




On 9/09/2016 1:13 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Maybe. It's just human nature though. We don't like sudden change but we also 
resist if we can. We'll continue in the old way if it's not taken away.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.


On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness".


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC 
.

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.







**
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halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

You watch, in 3 weeks all this will have been forgotten.



On 9/09/2016 1:09 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren’t enough for Apple to care and 
so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. Again 
their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though they also 
know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't always 
good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the fone up to 
see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept the port.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness".


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC 
.

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep quite, I couldn't give much of a damn either but I guess it gets 
everyone out of the house to complain about something.




On 9/09/2016 1:03 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something substantial 
by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm losing a substantial 
capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my phone at the same time. As I 
said, I take train trips lasting several hours and listen to books, etc, while charging 
my phone.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.


On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important.
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness".


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC 
.

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.







**
Those of 

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

What John said pretty much applies to many of Apple's facilities for 
what of a better way to describe them, AirPlay is another example which 
I suspect is one of the reasons why so many manufacturers just aren't 
bothering with AirPlay these days prefering to use Bluetooth aptX.


I have a set of Philips cans - can't remember the model number now - 
which are equipped with a Lightning doc connector.


Now these cans cost well over $400 Australian but they're worth every 
cent as far as I'm concerned, audio is excellent through the in-built 
DAC of these cans so you guessed it, the cans take the digital stream 
straight from the iPhone itself.


Philips do make a 3.5MM minijack version of the same cans for around the 
same amount of money.




On 9/09/2016 1:00 AM, Hamit Campos wrote:

Yeah that sucks. Does it cost anything to use APTX? Why could it be that they 
don't use it? Lausless is epic!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:50 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, I wouldn't mind so much about the removal of the jack if Apple 
granted licence to use the lightning connector to others free of charge. As 
things stand any headphone manufacturer making use of the lightning connector 
has to pay Apple a fee as Apple holds the patent. That will unnecessarily 
restrict the numbers of manufacturers to those with the cash and willing to 
design products just for Apple gear that are useless for anything else.

Oh, by the way, the pods that come with the iPhone are lightening,, you have to 
pay 150 bucks for the airpods. And to date Apple don't even use the optional 
Bluetooth lossless APTEX standard

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:54
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret 
sauce.

Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.

Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
jack and the Airpod tech and design.

Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz

On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the Arcam DAC 
.

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.






Tim Noonan
Consultant  Speaker  Coach

Phone:   +61 419 779 669
Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
Skype:   VoiceReadings
Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan

Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[John Covici]

It would connect, but it wants to press the home button and there is none.
On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 11:18:43 -0400,
Hamit Campos wrote:
> 
> This connects by lightning right? Sweet Watter has that mike. It should I
> don't see why it wouldn't fit.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John
> Covici
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:55 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I
> am not sure it will even fit on the 7!  The Rode support people would not
> comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test.
> 
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400,
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
> > 
> > Whilst I don?t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound
> one at that - thus I believe I?m in a position to comment as I have done.
> > There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I?ve seen cases
> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
> > As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon
> would be up to the job not that I?ve had absolute personal experience in
> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing
> condition but that?s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this
> list.
> > I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just
> whine about it all.
> > 
> > > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> > > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of
> "thinness". 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-----
> > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > Hamit Campos
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> > > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> > > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> > > 
> > > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than
> blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better.
> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting
> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be
> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords
> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use
> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something
> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree
> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded
> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> > > Dane Trethowan
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> > > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> > > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> > > 
> > > Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> > > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus
> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone -
> and that can only be a plus.
> > > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice
> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of
> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet
> another standard? I wasn?t presented with much information on them.
> > > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can
> plug in DAC?s if better sound is what we?re after or we have AirPlay.
> > > I?ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on
> the Arcam DAC .
> > > 
> > > **
> > > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of
> the halfwits in this world behind.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > **
> > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
> halfwits in this world behind.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
> 
>  John Covici
>  cov...@ccs.covici.com
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, i thought it was Bluetooth that was was a power hog not Airplay.
But i may have heard wrong.
/A
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 02:58, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, interesting.
> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps 
> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth.
> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>> 
>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
>> secret sauce.
>> 
>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
>> 
>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
>> jack and the Airpod tech and design.
>> 
>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 
>> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be 
>> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords 
>> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use 
>> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something 
>> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree 
>> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded 
>> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
>> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
>> can only be a plus.
>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
>> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
>> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
>> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>> Arcam DAC .
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Noonan
>> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
>> 
>> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
>> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
>> Skype:   VoiceReadings
>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
>> 
>> Coaching & Consulting:   www.timnoonan.com.au
>> Inspirational Speaking:  www.visionarycommunications.com.au
>> Gemwater Bottles:www.timnoonan.com.au/water
>> Voice Readings:  www.voicereadings.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes i will wait to update as i have the Iphone SE on a pay plan.
I would like to buy the new apple watch though.
/
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 00:46, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Mary Otten]

Unless Leo had a good look at the inside of the phone, he is in no position to 
know whether they could've kept the port and kept the size the same. Blowing 
smoke as usual. That's what these guys on these big bloviating podcasts do. 
They blow smoke. They stir the water. Blah blah blah.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2016, at 8:09 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren’t enough for Apple to care 
> and so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. 
> Again their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though 
> they also know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't 
> always good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the 
> fone up to see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept 
> the port.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah I wanna hear itEspecially since in mike turms they did mid side stereo not 
the usual which would be more like X Y.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:19 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

guess you’ll have to read the compatibility notes on that microphone if you do 
decide to upgrade to a 7.
I won’t be upgrading but I am curious to hear what a 7 sounds like given it has 
stereo speakers.
The speaker in the iPhone 6 and 6S sounds absolutely glorious compared to 
Apple’s past IOS efforts.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:55 AM, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> 
> I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, 
> and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7!  The Rode support people 
> would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test.
> 
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400,
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound 
>> one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
>> There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
>> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
>> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon 
>> would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in 
>> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing 
>> condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
>> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
>> about it all.
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
>>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
>>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
>>> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
>>> "thinness". 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Hamit Campos
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>> 
>>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to 
>>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. 
>>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple 
>>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and 
>>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like 
>>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff 
>>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>> 
>>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus 
>>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - 
>>> and that can only be a plus.
>>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 
>>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of 
>>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet 
>>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>>> Arcam D

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

I would find that so hypocritical if that's the case. I mean you trash talk 
blue tooth oh but hush hush we are using it with our appleness. Like Seriously 
Apple?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:58 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Hmm, interesting.
I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps that’s 
why Apple chose Bluetooth.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan <t...@timnoonan.com.au> wrote:
> 
> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
> secret sauce.
> 
> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
> 
> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
> jack and the Airpod tech and design.
> 
> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 
> 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Noonan
> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
> 
> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
> Skype:   VoiceReadings
> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
> 
> Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au
> Inspirational Speaking:   www.visionarycommunications.com.au
> Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water
> Voice Readings:   www.voicereadings.com
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

This connects by lightning right? Sweet Watter has that mike. It should I
don't see why it wouldn't fit.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John
Covici
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:55 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone, and I
am not sure it will even fit on the 7!  The Rode support people would not
comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400,
Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Whilst I don?t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound
one at that - thus I believe I?m in a position to comment as I have done.
> There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I?ve seen cases
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon
would be up to the job not that I?ve had absolute personal experience in
this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing
condition but that?s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this
list.
> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just
whine about it all.
> 
> > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of
hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the
ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of
"thinness". 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Hamit Campos
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> > 
> > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than
blue tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they
didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like
wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better.
Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting
that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be
wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords
always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use
for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something
like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree
it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded
but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Dane Trethowan
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> > 
> > Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus
stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone -
and that can only be a plus.
> > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice
additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of
Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet
another standard? I wasn?t presented with much information on them.
> > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can
plug in DAC?s if better sound is what we?re after or we have AirPlay.
> > I?ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on
the Arcam DAC .
> > 
> > **
> > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of
the halfwits in this world behind.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Maybe. It's just human nature though. We don't like sudden change but we also 
resist if we can. We'll continue in the old way if it's not taken away.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah I guess either the death sad as it is weren’t enough for Apple to care and 
so far as charging and using goes well use the air pods whilst charging. Again 
their be a man and suck it attitude maybe too harsh, but see though they also 
know humans hate change. Now there is a point too that Change isn't always 
good. New isn't always better. I hae no idea. I'd have to feel the fone up to 
see if there's anything to when Leo said that they could have kept the port.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:29 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". 


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

To be honest I don't really much care. Other than the fact that oh so now what? 
What of the analog head phones I have? But I for 1 wanna cut the cord anyways. 
Wires are annoying. They tangel they can break and so on. So what evs.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my 
phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and 
listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
> I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of min

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah that sucks. Does it cost anything to use APTX? Why could it be that they 
don't use it? Lausless is epic!

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2016 5:50 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, I wouldn't mind so much about the removal of the jack if Apple 
granted licence to use the lightning connector to others free of charge. As 
things stand any headphone manufacturer making use of the lightning connector 
has to pay Apple a fee as Apple holds the patent. That will unnecessarily 
restrict the numbers of manufacturers to those with the cash and willing to 
design products just for Apple gear that are useless for anything else.

Oh, by the way, the pods that come with the iPhone are lightening,, you have to 
pay 150 bucks for the airpods. And to date Apple don't even use the optional 
Bluetooth lossless APTEX standard

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:54
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret 
sauce.

Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.

Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
jack and the Airpod tech and design.

Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 

On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.






Tim Noonan
Consultant  Speaker  Coach

Phone:   +61 419 779 669
Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
Skype:   VoiceReadings
Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan

Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

And in stereo too!

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 7:39 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
> underwater... (smiles)
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
> Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
> about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
> substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
> losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge 
> my phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several 
> hours and listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound 
> one at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
> There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon 
> would be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this 
> area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing 
> condition but that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
> about it all.
> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
>> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
>> "thinness". 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
>> Campos
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be 
>> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords 
>> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use 
>> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something 
>> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree 
>> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded 
>> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
>> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
>> can only be a plus.
>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
>> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
>> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
>> standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them.
>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>> plug in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
>> I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>> Arcam DAC .
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[John Gurd]

Actually, I wouldn't mind so much about the removal of the jack if Apple 
granted licence to use the lightning connector to others free of charge. As 
things stand any headphone manufacturer making use of the lightning connector 
has to pay Apple a fee as Apple holds the patent. That will unnecessarily 
restrict the numbers of manufacturers to those with the cash and willing to 
design products just for Apple gear that are useless for anything else.

Oh, by the way, the pods that come with the iPhone are lightening,, you have to 
pay 150 bucks for the airpods. And to date Apple don't even use the optional 
Bluetooth lossless APTEX standard

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Tim Noonan
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:54
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret 
sauce.

Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.

Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
jack and the Airpod tech and design.

Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 

On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn�t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.






Tim Noonan
Consultant  Speaker  Coach

Phone:   +61 419 779 669
Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
Skype:   VoiceReadings
Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan

Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[John Gurd]

Ah, but now with the removal of the 3.5mm jack you'll be able to listen 
underwater... (smiles)

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: 08 September 2016 01:52
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my 
phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and 
listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don�t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I�m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I�ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I�ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that�s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn�t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC�s if better sound is what we�re after or we have AirPlay.
> I�ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Mary Otten]

Thanks for posting that article, Tim. I just have a couple of comments on it. 
Somebody on another list I am on pointed out that the Samsung S7 and S7 active 
have that waterproof speck of 68 IPS is it 68, not 67. They have a headphone 
jack, and their spec is actually better than the new iPhone in that respect. 
Since they are actually really waterproof up to the standard that the watch is, 
rather than the less stringent standards that the new iPhone 7 meets.
The other thing is about the AirPods. These things cost 160 bucks. And they're 
not held into your ears buy anything. For instance, I have a Bluetooth earpiece 
from Plantronics, the voyager legend. It has kind of a clip thing that goes 
behind your ear. It's not going anywhere. It's not going to drop out of your 
ear. I can just imagine how many people are going to lose an air pot along the 
way and not realize it. At $160 a pop, that is going to elicit a lot of 
irritation rather quickly I think. I suspect there will be a third-party 
solutions for people who really feel they need to have both the ability to 
listen to headphones and charge their phone at the same time and who don't want 
to go wireless with stereo phones. These AirPods, they sound great. But they 
don't seem practical, because I think they will be far far too easy to 
inadvertently drop out of your ear.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Tim Noonan  wrote:
> 
> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
> secret sauce.
> 
> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
> 
> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
> jack and the Airpod tech and design.
> 
> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 
> 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Noonan
> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
> 
> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
> Skype:   VoiceReadings
> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
> 
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> Voice Readings:www.voicereadings.com
> 
> 

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Mary Otten]

Airplay requires Wi-Fi. I found that out the hard way, when I tried to stream 
something to my airplay enabled stereo from my phone which was on LTE at the 
time, not Wi-Fi. No joy.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Hmm, interesting.
> I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
> Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
> streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
> Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps 
> that’s why Apple chose Bluetooth.
> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan  wrote:
>> 
>> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
>> secret sauce.
>> 
>> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
>> 
>> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
>> jack and the Airpod tech and design.
>> 
>> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
>> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 
>> 
>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be 
>> wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords 
>> always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use 
>> for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something 
>> like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree 
>> it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded 
>> but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>> 
>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
>> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
>> can only be a plus.
>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
>> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
>> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
>> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>> Arcam DAC .
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Noonan
>> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
>> 
>> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
>> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
>> Skype:   VoiceReadings
>> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
>> 
>> Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au
>> Inspirational Speaking:www.visionarycommunications.com.au
>> Gemwater Bottles:www.timnoonan.com.au/water
>> Voice Readings:www.voicereadings.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

guess you’ll have to read the compatibility notes on that microphone if you do 
decide to upgrade to a 7.
I won’t be upgrading but I am curious to hear what a 7 sounds like given it has 
stereo speakers.
The speaker in the iPhone 6 and 6S sounds absolutely glorious compared to 
Apple’s past IOS efforts.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:55 AM, John Covici <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
> 
> I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone,
> and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7!  The Rode support people
> would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test.
> 
> On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400,
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound 
>> one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
>> There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
>> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
>> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon 
>> would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in 
>> this area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing 
>> condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
>> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
>> about it all.
>> 
>>> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
>>> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
>>> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
>>> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
>>> "thinness". 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
>>> Campos
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
>>> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
>>> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>> 
>>> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
>>> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
>>> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
>>> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
>>> Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
>>> that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to 
>>> be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. 
>>> Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple 
>>> themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and 
>>> break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like 
>>> that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff 
>>> that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
>>> 
>>> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
>>> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus 
>>> stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - 
>>> and that can only be a plus.
>>> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 
>>> additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of 
>>> Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet 
>>> another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
>>> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
>>> plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
>>> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
>>> Arcam DAC .
>>> 
>>> **
>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
> 
> John Covici
> cov...@ccs.covici.com
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Hmm, interesting.
I have seen AirPlay devices that are around which are in perfect sync with 
Airplay - that is to say there’s no delay between source and target when 
streaming - so I thought Apple may have perhaps used that method.
Then again AirPlay streaming does take a fair amount of power so perhaps that’s 
why Apple chose Bluetooth.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:53 AM, Tim Noonan  wrote:
> 
> The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple 
> secret sauce.
> 
> Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.
> 
> Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
> jack and the Airpod tech and design.
> 
> Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
> https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 
> 
> On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List 
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Noonan
> Consultant  Speaker  Coach
> 
> Phone:   +61 419 779 669
> Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
> Skype:   VoiceReadings
> Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan
> 
> Coaching & Consulting:www.timnoonan.com.au
> Inspirational Speaking:   www.visionarycommunications.com.au
> Gemwater Bottles: www.timnoonan.com.au/water
> Voice Readings:   www.voicereadings.com
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[John Covici]

I may not be able to go to the 7, I just bought a Rode xyl microphone,
and I am not sure it will even fit on the 7!  The Rode support people
would not comment, I suppose I could always go somewhere and test.

On Wed, 07 Sep 2016 20:37:46 -0400,
Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound 
> one at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
> There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
> already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
> As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon 
> would be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this 
> area given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing 
> condition but that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
> I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
> about it all.
> 
> > On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> > hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> > ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> > I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> > "thinness". 
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> > Campos
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> > To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> > Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> > 
> > Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> > tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> > didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> > wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. 
> > Leo Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting 
> > that they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to 
> > be wider at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. 
> > Cords always tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple 
> > themselves use for the ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and 
> > break something like I've done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like 
> > that. I agree it's not fare for those that have bought mad expensive stuff 
> > that is corded but oh well se la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> > Trethowan
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> > To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> > Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> > 
> > Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> > The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus 
> > stereo speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - 
> > and that can only be a plus.
> > According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice 
> > additions, a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of 
> > Airbuds, interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet 
> > another standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> > No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can 
> > plug in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> > I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> > Arcam DAC .
> > 
> > **
> > Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> > halfwits in this world behind.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Tim Noonan]

The Airpots are still using Bluetooth, but wrapped in all sorts of Apple secret 
sauce.

Probably some aspects from the now announced BT 5.0 spec.

Here is a fuller description of the justification for removing the headphone 
jack and the Airpod tech and design.

Inside iPhone 7: Why Apple Killed The Headphone Jack - BuzzFeed News 
https://t.co/TV2Kps3Mvz 

On 8 Sep 2016, at 9:15 AM, Hamit Campos  wrote:

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.






Tim Noonan
Consultant  Speaker  Coach

Phone:   +61 419 779 669
Email:   t...@timnoonan.com.au
Skype:   VoiceReadings
Twitter: twitter.com/TimNoonan

Coaching & Consulting:  www.timnoonan.com.au
Inspirational Speaking: www.visionarycommunications.com.au
Gemwater Bottles:   www.timnoonan.com.au/water
Voice Readings: www.voicereadings.com

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[JOHN RIEHL]

Actually, there's a difference between "whining" and legitimate complaints 
about a feature that one values that is now lost. If I were gaining something 
substantial by losing the headphone jack I'd feel better about it, but I'm 
losing a substantial capability -- the ability to use headphones and charge my 
phone at the same time. As I said, I take train trips lasting several hours and 
listen to books, etc, while charging my phone. 

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:38 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Well perhaps with all these radio waves and all the aliens might finally take 
away all those who just like complaining all day long .

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:35 AM, Peter Scanlon <sca...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> 
> We have enough radio waves bombarding our body, now we have to use Blue Tooth 
> if we want to charge and listen. 
> 
> P.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
> Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:29 AM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Dane Trethowan]

Whilst I don’t travel on planes I do have a hearing impairment -a profound one 
at that - thus I believe I’m in a position to comment as I have done.
There are ways around the charging problem  as you put it, I’ve seen cases 
already that have one or two additional lightning dock connectors.
As far as listening on a plan goes? Well my hearing instruments I reckon would 
be up to the job not that I’ve had absolute personal experience in this area 
given its a bit risky flying on planes with my particular hearing condition but 
that’s bye the bye and not of particular interest to this list.
I think the main problem here is that a lot of folks would rather just whine 
about it all.

> On 8 Sep 2016, at 10:28 AM, JOHN RIEHL <realma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of 
> hearing, or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the 
> ability to use headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
> I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of 
> "thinness". 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit 
> Campos
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
> To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
> tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they 
> didn't seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like 
> wireless headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo 
> Laporte and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that 
> they could have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider 
> at best. Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always 
> tangle especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the 
> ear pods. Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've 
> done to my Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare 
> for those that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se 
> la vi. At least they give ya an adaptor.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced
> 
> Indeed it has and no real surprises.
> The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
> speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
> can only be a plus.
> According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, 
> a lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, 
> interesting to know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another 
> standard? I wasn’t presented with much information on them.
> No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
> in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
> I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
> Arcam DAC .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Peter Scanlon]

We have enough radio waves bombarding our body, now we have to use Blue Tooth 
if we want to charge and listen. 

P.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of JOHN RIEHL
Sent: Thursday, 8 September 2016 10:29 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". 


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[JOHN RIEHL]

What you don't realize is that for some folks who are deaf or hard of hearing, 
or people like me who travel on trains and planes, having the ability to use 
headphones and charge your phones is pretty important. 
I resent having a substantive capability taken away for the sake of "thinness". 


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2016 7:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah not much was said but it sounds like they are more wireless than blue 
tooth. They talked trach about blue tooth. I mean just to say that they didn't 
seem keen to use it. So I guess it's some kind of wireless like wireless 
headphones and keyboards use. Which for distance is much better. Leo Laporte 
and Andy Anatco were pissed about the jack. They kept insisting that they could 
have kept it. But that would mean the phone would have to be wider at best. 
Right? AAlso I agree with Shiller time to cut the cord. Cords always tangle 
especially the cheep spegetty cord like Apple themselves use for the ear pods. 
Or you could axidentally step on them and break something like I've done to my 
Bose OE2I head phone kable. Stuff like that. I agree it's not fare for those 
that have bought mad expensive stuff that is corded but oh well se la vi. At 
least they give ya an adaptor.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 6:46 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List 
Subject: So the new iPhone 7 has been announced

Indeed it has and no real surprises.
The headphones socket has gone to make way for another speaker - thus stereo 
speakers which should dramatically improve the sound of the phone - and that 
can only be a plus.
According to the blurb I read the iPhone comes with two very nice additions, a 
lightning dock to 3.5MM headphones adapter and a set of Airbuds, interesting to 
know whether these use AirPlay, Bluetooth or yet another standard? I wasn’t 
presented with much information on them.
No mention of atpX unfortunately, at least we have the dock where we can plug 
in DAC’s if better sound is what we’re after or we have AirPlay.
I’ll still be holding onto my iPhone 6 having spent a small fortune on the 
Arcam DAC .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.