Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-25 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sat, 2010-04-24 at 19:46 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: marketing lingo I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are: That's not marketing lingo. Instead, you would be saying : « I am sure that it meets your

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-24 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: marketing lingo I am not sure, if it meets your criteria, but some of it features are: That's not marketing lingo. Instead, you would be saying : « I am sure that it meets your criteria. NetPd has the features that YOU need. You are a hard-working

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-23 Thread colet . patrice
-list@iem.at Envoyé: Jeudi 22 Avril 2010 19h27:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? Hi Patko On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 18:27 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: I just wanted to check if someone has

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-22 Thread João Pais
that's of course true. but two details are against it: - if you really know what you want, you'll want to design your own patch for that, and won't take any other already made programs - but if you go for it, you'll spend your time programming the mixer, instead of the project you were

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-22 Thread Lorenzo
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, João Pais wrote: if you need a program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good programs around. There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-22 Thread João Pais
if you need a program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good programs around. There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to reinventing such programmes inside of pd : it gives you a mixing

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-22 Thread João Pais
- if you really know what you want, you'll want to design your own patch for that, and won't take any other already made programs - but if you go for it, you'll spend your time programming the mixer, instead of the project you were thinking of in the first place. I would guess that unless someone

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-22 Thread colet . patrice
hmmm, in fact I'm using workstations like ardour, (I don't often use ardour thought even if I've set a bunch of scripts to configure jackd and pd with it) since ages for producing sounds or instruments made with dataflow stuff, I just wanted to check if someone has invented this wheel in

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-21 Thread João Pais
So maybe you need and want a shitty clarinet to achieve the objective you have, maybe you need a quite expensive one. Nevertheless, the point is what you do with it. The clarinetist of one chamber orchestra I've wrote for had to use a 'C' clarinette that sounded like shit to play all the

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-21 Thread colet . patrice
Envoyé: Mercredi 21 Avril 2010 14h28:31 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? So maybe you need and want a shitty clarinet to achieve the objective you have, maybe you need a quite expensive one

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-21 Thread Matt Barber
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Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-21 Thread João Pais
anyway, whatever I'd say after this, the answer would be that I'm not a good musician, or that pd is not made for me, or even worth, that I don't have a good taste in music, etc... you're being paranoid. and if someone do, you ask them why, in case it's worth it. My conclusion is that

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-21 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Thu, 22 Apr 2010, João Pais wrote: if you need a program to mix tracks in a session, then there's no point in even thinking of programming something like that in pd, just use any of the very good programs around. There is a very simple and oft-overlooked point to reinventing such

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-17 Thread colet . patrice
/ Vienne //Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? //A djembé drummer says: You cannot make dance music alone, you need //other drummers as well. Patko says: Making dance music requires //advanced technologies. Roman says: Where is the sine? I cannot dance //without an [osc~ =20

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-17 Thread Alexandre Porres
+01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? without a good media, we can't get good results Guess my point wasnt clear yet. I'm saying every media has its potential, there's no good or bad, anything can be best

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Thu, 4/15/10, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu wrote: From: Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 7:49 PM In addition to disagreeing vehemently with your main point (Pd

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
...@free.fr Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 5:53 PM Matteo Sisti Sette a écrit : Frank wrote: It's not so much the tool, as it is the skills that makes music sound good. That is true for really

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
thanks, :) Selon Rory Walsh rorywa...@ear.ie: Sure and wood is ONLY for burning. I don't mean to be rude either but if you think music only qualifies as music if people can dance to it then that I think perhaps you should learn a little more about it. Until then you can get your rocks off to

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
I would care about how the clarinette is sounding, if I or a skilled clarinetist can't make a melody with it, i would play with noises... Selon Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: pd is just a tool for learning dsp, there is no such project that show how pd is cool to make people moving on

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Fri, 4/16/10, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: PD list pd-list@iem.at, Phil Stone pkst...@ucdavis.edu Date: Friday, April 16, 2010, 8:11 AM --- On Thu, 4/15/10

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Alexandre Porres
Oh, wasn't the metaphor clear, really? well, no problem, here you go then... once more... We don't care to know if someone says; Hey, I got a clarinet, we wanna know what he is doing with it, in a sense that it'd make more sense if the person would come and say; Hey, check out, look what I do

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. Btw- I don't mean this will be a 'Hello World' for Pd at some future point in its development. I just mean it's a good way for users to test how flexible and expressive their software is in a live setting. I mean let's face it-- you crash at

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread olsen
ej bonitos just pasting some mustard to this topic too: in german there's a saying wenn der bauer nicht schwimmern kann liegts an der badehose translated somehow: when the farmer can't swim it's because of his bathing trunks so it's about swimming not dancing! crossfading salutis ø don't

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
Oh, wasn't the metaphor clear, really? nope well, no problem, here you go then... once more... there you go We don't care to know if someone says; Hey, I got a clarinet, we wanna know what he is doing with it, in a sense that it'd make more sense if the person would come and say; Hey,

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Lorenzo
This (rather pointless) discussion is really clogging the list since ages now, whithout IMHO giving any real suggestion on improvements for Pd... It started IIRC with someone coming to mailing list about software A and sayng hey software B is much better (smoother, uh?) than A which sucks.. I

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. That interests me. Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by mixing? Then I'd be also interested in what way Pd fails and how another software (you name it) succeeds in doing it

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread hard off
just uploaded 2 vanilla workouts. these are not tracks. just me jamming in the staffroom of the school where i work. not sure if they will change anyone's mind on anything, but i think they show a bit of dynamic range and the possibilities offered by vanilla pd and perseverance.

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd

2010-04-16 Thread Matt Barber
Matteo Sisti Sette a ?crit : Frank wrote: It's not so much the tool, as it is the skills that makes music sound good. That is true for really good tools. Needless to say that Pd is one of them. sorry, I might going to be rude,  but I've never heard some music completely made with

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
Smoother Audio than Pd? This (rather pointless) discussion is really clogging the list since ages now, whithout IMHO giving any real suggestion on improvements for Pd... It started IIRC with someone coming to mailing list about software A and sayng hey software B is much better (smoother, uh?) than

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Phil Stone
...@ucdavis.edu Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: PD list pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 7:49 PM In addition to disagreeing vehemently with your main point (Pd is good for little more than experimentation), I find this a piss-poor acid test for music

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? just uploaded 2 vanilla workouts. these are not tracks. just me jamming in the staffroom of the school where i work. not sure if they will change anyone's mind on anything, but i think they show a bit of dynamic range and the possibilities offered

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread colet . patrice
-list@iem.at Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Avril 2010 18h53:40 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: show me

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 12:53 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. That interests me. Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by mixing?

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hi, On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 02:18:17PM +0200, olsen wrote: ej bonitos just pasting some mustard to this topic too: in german there's a saying wenn der bauer nicht schwimmern kann liegts an der badehose I didn't know this one, it's very good. As we've started the quoting business, I recently

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Lorenzo wrote: - Switch to some other greater, uhm.. smother :), software Wait, what is this thread about : [A] make Pd smoother [B] make Pd smother _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone:

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Alexandre Porres
without a good media, we can't get good results Guess my point wasnt clear yet. I'm saying every media has its potential, there's no good or bad, anything can be best applied for some purpose, even a shitty clarinet... it can produce sounds irregularly and with spectral content that other

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Ben Baker-Smith
From: colet.patr...@free.fr sorry, I might going to be rude, but I've never heard some music completely made with PureData that really sound good. From: hard@gmail.com just uploaded 2 vanilla workouts. these are not tracks. just me jamming in the staffroom of the school where i work.

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Alexandre Porres
(sorry to continue this thread) Matt By the way, I am Really sorry too... please forgive me. alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Fri, 16 Apr 2010, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 14:04 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: show me a patch that correctly mix soundfiles. That interests me. Can you elaborate a bit more what you mean by mixing? Interesting, I was more concerned by the use of the word «

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Roman Haefeli
- De: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca À: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Cc: colet patrice colet.patr...@free.fr, pd-list pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Avril 2010 18h53:40 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Ariane stolfi
À: Roman Haefeli reduzie...@yahoo.de Cc: colet patrice colet.patr...@free.fr, pd-list pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Vendredi 16 Avril 2010 18h53:40 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne Objet: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? On Fri, 16 Apr 2010

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Ariane stolfi arianesto...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ariane stolfi arianesto...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: colet.patr...@free.fr Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at, reduzie...@yahoo.de Date: Saturday, April 17, 2010, 1:49 AM

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-16 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Sat, 4/17/10, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: colet.patr...@free.fr, Ariane stolfi arianesto...@gmail.com Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at, reduzie...@yahoo.de Date: Saturday

[PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 28, 2010, at 8:13 AM, cyrille henry wrote: Matteo Sisti Sette a écrit : Frank wrote: It's not so much the tool, as it is the skills that makes music sound good. That is true for really good tools. Needless to say that Pd is one of them. But there are a lot of tools out there with

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread cyrille henry
yep, i've got lot's of work to do on this lib. but no time. the help file can work with a minor adjustement so i will not update it now. cyrille Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Mar 28, 2010, at 8:13 AM, cyrille henry wrote: Matteo Sisti Sette a écrit : Frank wrote: It's not so

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread colet . patrice
Matteo Sisti Sette a écrit : Frank wrote: It's not so much the tool, as it is the skills that makes music sound good. That is true for really good tools. Needless to say that Pd is one of them. sorry, I might going to be rude, but I've never heard some music completely made with

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Thu, 4/15/10, colet.patr...@free.fr colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: From: colet.patr...@free.fr colet.patr...@free.fr Subject: Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd? To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Thursday, April 15, 2010, 5:53 PM Matteo Sisti Sette a écrit : Frank wrote

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread Alexandre Porres
pd is just a tool for learning dsp, there is no such project that show how pd is cool to make people moving on the dance floor. Is that what you are really expecting pd to be or sound like? Well, indeed, I disagree Pd would be a proper tool for that. And you are really wrong to assume pd is

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread Phil Stone
In addition to disagreeing vehemently with your main point (Pd is good for little more than experimentation), I find this a piss-poor acid test for music that sounds good: colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: there is no such project that show how pd is cool to make people moving on the dance floor.

Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?

2010-04-15 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 17:53 +0200, colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: Matteo Sisti Sette a écrit : Frank wrote: It's not so much the tool, as it is the skills that makes music sound good. That is true for really good tools. Needless to say that Pd is one of them. sorry, I might going