On Feb 28, 2004, at 10:44, Bob W wrote:
I don't hold much of a brief for Microsoft (or for Apple,
come to that), but Microsoft appears to take more of the 'Pentax'
approach (see - it is possible to stay on topic!) - they support their
existing users to a greater extent, perhaps, than Apple do.
On Feb 28, 2004, at 03:36, Cotty wrote:
Else, how do you explain people like Dave Mann, who has been using PCs
for years, and decided to buy a Mac? If he thought it was 'lesser',
then
why do you think he made the move? Maybe he likes just staring at
pretty
lights? ;-)
Hmm, my PC has four
On Feb 28, 2004, at 01:25, Boris Liberman wrote:
I have only one frowny comment g... David, if you wanted it to be a
real riddle why you allowed the Ferrari Horse be in the frame?
Arguably it would be far worse without the horse but then the riddle
has a hint... g
I left it in there as an obvious
Hi,
My car is called Mundaneo
that's the exciting big brother of the Ford Fiasco*.
--
Cheers,
Bob
* Copyright Martin Amis.
Hi!
DM On Feb 28, 2004, at 01:25, Boris Liberman wrote:
I have only one frowny comment g... David, if you wanted it to be a
real riddle why you allowed the Ferrari Horse be in the frame?
Arguably it would be far worse without the horse but then the riddle
has a hint... g
DM I left it in
i went to BH yesterday to get one. they are selling only mail order, not
in-store.
Herb...
- Original Message -
From: Joseph Tainter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: pdml [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: DA 16-45/4 is finally available
It's officially da
Hi,
Boris Liberman wrote:
DM - Dave (prefers the styling of Lamborghini but owns a 1985 Nissan
DM Sunny, featured on Top Gear as the blandest car ever made)
DM http://www.digistar.com/~dmann/
My Golf Mk II built on 1992 is blander g...
My car is called Mundaneo
mike
Stan,
while many of the other photos are fine, for me the Farley train
speaks the loudest. The subtle colors, the mist, and a
reasonably good composition all come together to set it head and
shoulders above the rest. Granted, the subject and style are
completely different, but that's what makes
Thanks. Of course, only the ones that are half way decent get posted.
The flops stay at home, y'know ;-))
Peter J. Alling wrote:
You certainly have an eye, Shel. Your snap shots make most planned
shots look bad.
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/pianostrings.html
I understand that nobody may have personal experience with all of the
following lenses, but from what you know how would you rank (sharpness
distortion) the following lenses?
Sigma Digital 18-50mm F/3.5-5.6
Pentax SMCP-DA 16-45mm F4 ED-AL
Also, we currently have
Fisheye Zoom 17-28mm
While the general pose, light and tones are pleasing, there are some ingredients that
make the picture not completely satisfying to my eye.
The hand I think is great. The tan line too (I generally like them - but that's just
my friend the monkey in me...: ) ).
However, the table and the lights
Terrific, Paul. Great composition and I really like the way it's lit.
-Original Message-
From: Paul Stenquist [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: February 27, 2004 7:11 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:PAW: tasteful nudity
I'm quite pleased with this shot. It was done by
I did some similar shots without the table and candles. To me, the
message is gone. I was left with nothing more than a reclining nude,
which is almost a cliche. The candles are symbolic. They're a metaphor
for an altar, a suggestion of homage paid to a woman.
On Feb 28, 2004, at 6:31 AM,
Not boring at all. Quite the opposite. I like it.
I find the crop a bit tight on both sides - necessity or taste?
Thanks,
Lasse
- Original Message -
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:41 PM
Subject: PAW
Something a little
Welcome to the 'hood Mark.
Those samples look just fine on this 'puter.g
I really like my 6x7 for the BW and slide shots.And i think you'll like the Reala.I
searched for a few
month in 2003 for a colour neg that i liked and this does it for me.My Feb PUG was
Reala,btw.
The 55 is next on my
I appreciate all the ideas and advice that have come back on this list
regarding this subject. However I never meant for this thread to go into
which system was truly better then the other or lead to a flame war, since
that's something that will never be agreed upon. I also apologize to those
Not bad for a very inexpensive lens. *ist D and f22.
http://groups.msn.com/BillOwensPhotos/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhotoPhotoID=67
Bill
It would be interesting to see the same lens on a film camera with the same
shot. Hasn't it been discussed about the digital giving more trouble with
flare due to reflections off of the sensor?
Nice shot, I actually like most of the way the sun rays are working in this
photo and lens, the main
http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/orchid.jpg
Still can't hold a proper camera, but managed this with a Sony S85.
World famous Hauserman's Orchids is having their annual open house this
weekend. Over 5 acres of orchids, many in full bloom, and at half price.
Regards, Bob S.
Thanks Shel. I had stopped in Farley to take pictures of a
snowman, walked across the tracks to the other side of the
levee to see if the wintering geese were up and around.
Heard the train coming and knew immediately that I wanted
some shots of it coming and going. What I did not count on
- Original Message -
From: Larry Hodgson
Subject: RE: PAW Arizona Landscape
This location is only 3 hours from where I live so it's easy to get
to. In
fact, I pass by the Grand Canyon on the way.
I am envious.
William Robb
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:44:56 +0800, you wrote:
Just for my interest. Are the Leica R-line lens generally MUCH better than Pentax to
justify the expensive price?
Of course they are much much better. Why would they cost that much
more if they weren't that much better?
--
John Mustarde
Since somebody was showing some interest in my F1 pictures, maybe you could
also like those rally shots:
http://www.dariobonazza.com/rally03e.htm
Most of them were taken around 28mm with FA 24-90mm. Isn't this what
reporters call to be into the scene?
Dario Bonazza
You didn't add the maniacal laughter after the statement, John!
Why, he might think you were serious!
keith whaley
John Mustarde wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:44:56 +0800, you wrote:
Just for my interest. Are the Leica R-line lens generally MUCH better than Pentax
to justify the
Don't forget the Ford Aspire, what does it Aspire to be? A real car.
(Of course based on looks I'd guess it realy wanted to be a Pontica Aztek).
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
My car is called Mundaneo
that's the exciting big brother of the Ford Fiasco*.
Better in what way? Lenses? Metering? Durability? Which Leica R? Some are built by
Minolta, some have had lots of
problems with electronics. None have auto focus (if that's important to you). Some of
their lenses are not very
good, others are exceptional. Which Pentax bodies are you
Well since we're only guessing I'd say the Pentax is sharper with better
flair resistance while
the sigma will have less distortion, if you can tell through fog. BTW
the K 17mm looks like a
nothing more than a 24mm with lots of barrel distortion.
mapson wrote:
I understand that nobody may
Hi Bob ...
Not bad for still being week shouldered. Something to try with the Sony for
close-ups. Use macro mode in portrait mode. I've sometimes gotten some
outstanding bokeh that way.
Glad to see you're up and about and snapping away.
shel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just got my Nomad Muvo 2 and removed its Hitachi 4-gb microdrive
according to the instructions at
http://www.pcconsultant.com/microdrive.htm
It required a simple size No. 0 Philips precision screwdriver to
complete the disassembly.
Then I put the drive in the *istD, formatted it from the camera
Almost got me LOL
Keith Whaley wrote:
You didn't add the maniacal laughter after the statement, John!
Why, he might think you were serious!
keith whaley
John Mustarde wrote:
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:44:56 +0800, you wrote:
Just for my interest. Are the Leica R-line lens generally
Thanks for all the comments. I'm going to delete the file now. I told
the model I would post it only long enough for the forum members to see
it. She doesn't want to be a permanent internet attraction.
Paul
On Feb 28, 2004, at 11:17 AM, Cotty wrote:
On 28/2/04, PAT WHITE disgorged:
What an
No but all the camera geeks will fawn over the name, (and you'll be a
much better photographer because your equipment costs so much...).
You'll also get all the girls, your hair will grow back, the crabgrass
will disappear from your lawn, etc. etc.
Frankie Lee wrote:
Just for my interest. Are
That should have been, ...than a 24mm with lots of barrel distortion on
an *ist-D.
Peter J. Alling wrote:
Well since we're only guessing I'd say the Pentax is sharper with
better flair resistance while
the sigma will have less distortion, if you can tell through fog. BTW
the K 17mm looks
I like it, but it looks over sharpened. Is that a characteristic of the
Sony?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/orchid.jpg
Still can't hold a proper camera, but managed this with a Sony S85.
World famous Hauserman's Orchids is having their annual open house this
Peter, I've been using Leicas for a few years, and my experience runs counter to your
suggestions other than camera
geeks fawning over the name. The best that's ever happened was that a woman with a
hairy back that came to pull the
crab grass from my lawn commented on how silly a fat old bald
Hi Cotty,
on 27 Feb 04 you wrote in pentax.list:
[snip]
How about popping over to London in May and we'll buy you some decent
beer and you can check out my in-camera sharpening ?
Good idea! I haven't been in GB before - might be a nice weekend trip to
make a scientific examination of cameras,
Nice Bob, very nice.
Norm
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.members.aol.com/rfsindg/orchid.jpg
Still can't hold a proper camera, but managed this with a Sony S85.
World famous Hauserman's Orchids is having their annual open house this
weekend. Over 5 acres of orchids, many in full bloom, and at
On 28/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
David Miers:
I build my own PC's, can I do the same effectively with a Mac?
Anders Hultman
I suppose you could, but Macs seldom are sold in parts like PCs often
are. I.e while you can buy an assembled PC *or* all the parts and
assemble yourself, I
On 28/2/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] disgorged:
The important concerns here for me are do I need to be competent on a Mac to
be competent in the industry?
What industry?
Which system will give
me a more productive workflow specifically working with graphics
applications?
Unknown. Only you can decide
On 28/2/04, DARIO disgorged:
My main business is in the photography field as a technical
translator/writer and copywriter. If I can get some money from my pictures,
I won't reject it, but it happens sooo rarely!
That day I was working at the track as a technical interpreter, invited
there by a
And we won't mention what the middle model is called.
Bob W wrote:
Hi,
My car is called Mundaneo
that's the exciting big brother of the Ford Fiasco*.
--
Cheers,
Bob
* Copyright Martin Amis.
- Original Message -
From: Cotty
Subject: Re: PAW: tasteful nudity
On 28/2/04, PAT WHITE disgorged:
What an elegant image! It's nude, but non-carnal
You speak for yourself mate!
Bloody Brits and their bum fetishes.
William Robb
On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:44, Frankie Lee wrote:
Just for my interest. Are the Leica R-line lens generally MUCH better than
Pentax to justify the expensive price? --
Try fitting a Pentax K-Lens on a Leica R body, the machining costs alone would
exceed the value of the Leica R-glass.
Rob
I must have some brit ancestors.
On Feb 28, 2004, at 2:02 PM, William Robb wrote:
Bloody Brits and their bum fetishes.
William Robb
Minnie and Duki? We won't even ask where these come from...
Norm ;-)
Cotty wrote:
The latter is called Minnie and Duki, and the other drive is
called PS Scratch. Minnie has 10.3 on, and Duki has 9.1 on.
Hi all
Does anyone know this lens?
Best regards
Jens
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Peter J. Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sendt: 28. februar 2004 18:30
Til: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Emne: Re: Digital lenses
That should have been,
Yes, I have one.
Jens Bladt wrote:
Hi all
Does anyone know this lens?
Best regards
Jens
Hi,
Rob Studdert wrote:
On 28 Feb 2004 at 19:44, Frankie Lee wrote:
Just for my interest. Are the Leica R-line lens generally MUCH better than
Pentax to justify the expensive price? --
Try fitting a Pentax K-Lens on a Leica R body, the machining costs alone would
exceed the value
On 28 Feb 2004 at 8:16, David Miers wrote:
The important concerns here for me are do I need to be competent on a Mac to be
competent in the industry? (Yes, I probably do)
No that's pure BS. All the major printed publications in Oz have been PC based
for over 15 years. Only little self
Me, too. 8-)
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
Yes, I have one.
Jens Bladt wrote:
Hi all
Does anyone know this lens?
Best regards
Jens
It's great having the access when it's quiet. Unfortunately for us, here
in the UK, during race days we cannot get accreditation as the sole UK TV
access is granted only to ITV Sport, and even though we are ITV News, we
can't get in! I think the Beeb and Sky get a crew each in, but that's
On 28 Feb 2004 at 10:02, John Mustarde wrote:
Note: others wishing to use this drive should review the many messages
at dpreview.com storage and media forum. Since my ancient computer
hiccupped at upgrading the Muvo firmware, and I was not trying to
retain the player itself, I simply
Not personally.
Norm
Jens Bladt wrote:
Hi all
Does anyone know this lens?
Norm,
I suggest you take that lens out for dinner and a show.
LOL
Norm Baugher wrote:
Not personally.
Norm
Jens Bladt wrote:
Hi all
Does anyone know this lens?
On 28 Feb 2004 at 21:45, mapson wrote:
Also, we currently have
Fisheye Zoom 17-28mm f/3.5-4.5
Would the digital lenses offer much less distorted picture than the 17-28
'analogue' ;-) lens?
Given that the new lens is a rectilinear design not a fisheye then yes it won't
produce the
Eee...
is it any good?
Sharpness, contrast, distortion? Or should I guess, since you have one, it's
very good?
Guidance is appreciated, please!
All the best
Jens Bladt
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://hjem.get2net.dk/bladt
-Oprindelig meddelelse-
Fra: Shel Belinkoff
wo, 2 this week.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/wrobb/paw/roy1.html
William Robb
I understand that nobody may have personal experience with all of the
following lenses, but from what you know how would you rank (sharpness
distortion) the following lenses?
Sigma Digital 18-50mm F/3.5-5.6
Pentax SMCP-DA 16-45mm F4 ED-AL
Be guided by the price. Lenses are priced according
I work for an advertising agency with close to 3000 employees,
including approximately 700 designers, art directors, and writers.
While the other 2300 employees use PCs, all creatives use Macs. You
don't get a choice, because we have to be transparently interconnected
within the creative
Alex, help with a little test, would you? Set the *ist D to mtf (custom
function 1), then test it outside in program mode on a day with good
light. What f-stops do you get at different focal lengths? I got the
following, which seemed odd:
16-28 mm. f4.0
35 mm. f4.5
45 mm. f5.6
I e-mailed
Well I've never gotten any respect when carrying my IIIC. However a
very attractive young woman ran up to me to admire my Pentax
it was a MZ-3 with the 28-200 Tamaron re-badge on it. She though it
looked Cool, especially since it was all silver with the big tulip hood.
Sheeish
Shel
Cotty:
I don't think that case, motherboard etc for a Mac
can be bought separately...
Yes they can.
All right. I've just never seen new Mac parts for sale, while PC
parts are all over the place.
Is it like Linux where different drives or partitions simply have
different directory names?
I don't
On 28 Feb 2004 at 15:30, Paul Stenquist wrote:
I work for an advertising agency with close to 3000 employees,
including approximately 700 designers, art directors, and writers.
While the other 2300 employees use PCs, all creatives use Macs. You
don't get a choice, because we have to be
On 28 Feb 2004 at 15:52, Peter J. Alling wrote:
Well I've never gotten any respect when carrying my IIIC. However a
very attractive young woman ran up to me to admire my Pentax
it was a MZ-3 with the 28-200 Tamaron re-badge on it. She though it
looked Cool, especially since it was all
I've never known anyone who has this lens to be dissatisfied. It's the only
manual focus zoom from Pentax that I've tried that I ~REALLY~ like. Since the
zoom range is so small, it's more like a cropping adjuster than a real zoom,
but that's its charm and its strength. My only complaint is that
On 28/2/04, NORM disgorged:
Minnie and Duki? We won't even ask where these come from...
Norm ;-)
Cotty wrote:
The latter is called Minnie and Duki, and the other drive is
called PS Scratch. Minnie has 10.3 on, and Duki has 9.1 on.
LOL. Waddya think? CATS! Minnie the Minx and an Aduki bean...
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I've never known anyone who has this lens to be dissatisfied. It's the only
manual focus zoom from Pentax that I've tried that I ~REALLY~ like. Since the
zoom range is so small, it's more like a cropping adjuster than a real zoom,
but that's its charm and its
mike.wilson écrit:
Hi,
This camera has been for a brief swim. Unfortunately, before I could
stop him, the owner turned it on to see if it was still working.
After the fireworks subsided, it became obvious that it wasn't..
It has been thoroughly dried out, just in case - no such
William Robb wrote.
As to wrong spelling,I'm afraid,and I think Canadians would agree,that
Americans,with all due respect have been distorting the Englishlanguage
for aeons.Center for centre etc.to name just one.Another is pedophilefor
paedophile,and the list goes on.You are also wrong about
Thanks, Shel.
The camera is cute anyway, you can see a photo here
(mine is obviously more battered):
http://www.collection-appareils.com/kinax/html/kincadet.php
Regards
Albano
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Very creative, Albano ... when given a broken camera
and
lacking
I took this a local state park The swimming pond is maintained by a semi
circular dam. I used a 17mm fisheye
to echo the effect on the horizon.
http://www.mindspring.com/~pjalling/PAW--FisheyeWaterfall.html
Works just fine for me.
Cute dog.
Regards
Albano
--- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've just put up the start of the QuikSnap® web page
and I'd
like some testers please. Just a few pics for now.
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/
I haven't gotten all the navigation
Cheers to that John! I had been having the longest day (or 2 or 3) prior and
was so afraid it'd show. Quite wonderful the energy you can draw from good
company! So PDMLers have found themselves face to face in Brisbane too-
another achievement (can I say?) for the list?
John and I were wondering
Shel,
It works fine for me, (Mozilla 1.5).
Shel Belinkoff wrote:
I've just put up the start of the QuikSnap® web page and I'd
like some testers please. Just a few pics for now.
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/
I haven't gotten all the navigation set, so after viewing an
image
you'll
All the links work great Shel- slightly sluggish loading, but probably
normal considering the moderately large file sizes and my slow dial-up.
Also, the images display well (even on my old, dimming notebook LCD). Can't
wait to see it all when it's finished!
Cheers,
Ryan
- Original Message
At 06:46 PM 2/28/2004, Shel wrote:
Mostly I want to be sure the pics come up when the t-nails are clicked, and,
of course, if you have any problems viewing the pics I'd like to know -
whatever they may be.
Shel, all the thumbnails are working in IE 6.
Pat in SF
Forgot to add.. IE6 :)
- Original Message -
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: PDML [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Testing the QuikSnap® Page
I've just put up the start of the QuikSnap® web page and I'd
like some testers please. Just a
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've just put up the start of the QuikSnap® web page and I'd
like some testers please. Just a few pics for now.
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/
Works fine with Netscape 7.1
Mark
works fine in Safari
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, at 10:11 PM, Mark Dalal wrote:
From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I've just put up the start of the QuikSnap® web page and I'd
like some testers please. Just a few pics for now.
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/
Works fine with
At 06:46 PM 2/28/2004 -0800, you wrote:
I've just put up the start of the QuikSnap® web page and I'd
like some testers please. Just a few pics for now.
http://home.earthlink.net/~digisnaps/
I haven't gotten all the navigation set, so after viewing an
image
you'll need to hit your browsers back
Please note my comments:
I haven't gotten all the navigation set ...
Mostly I want to be sure the pics come up ...
There will certainly be navigation controls when
the site is further along.
Thanks for jumping in, Tiger.
Shel
Tiger Moses wrote:
At 06:46 PM 2/28/2004 -0800, you wrote:
I've
Hi Ryan ... is it the thumbnail page that's slow loading, or the individual
images? I know that some of the pics are large, and plan to reduce 'em at some
point. How slow is your connection? They're not to bad on my 56K dial up ...
shel
Ryan Lee wrote:
All the links work great Shel-
Paul,
I don't know what you're thinking, this doesn't look like Big Bird at
all...not even close.
Cory Waters
has two little girls who watch Sesame street, really...
http://www.photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=2170790size=lg
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Paul,
The PAW Police are off for the weekend, so you are able to get away with a
double PAW. Don't worry, we won't tell ;-))
The goose looks great, but the background doesn't do anything to set it
off, to afford any contrast. The poor thing almost looks camouflaged ...
shel
Paul Stenquist
John and I were wondering if we'd call it 'BPDML', 'BRPDML', and for the
life of us couldn't think of a US state starting with 'B', just in case.
Go for QPDML, there is no US stste starting with Q, not even does it
appear in any of the state's name. You can only be then afraid of Canadians
- Original Message -
From: John Francis none of the wandering around the track and
gentlemanly sharing of spots
that I see on the CART (or ALMS) circuit.
Oh what I wouldn't give for a few plane tickets and those credentials.
CW
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I worked today and we had a SuperCross event. Everything was going alright
with my responsibilities so I could shoot for a while. I filled-up my 256Mb
flash card, deleting a few obvious losers as I went.
Come home after twelve hours at the Dome, looked at my shots and damn, they
mostly stink.
Oh
Might do that later in the year, Robert, my wife has a brother and a sister
in Adelaide!
John Coyle
Brisbane, Australia
- Original Message -
From: mapson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: First Brisbane PDML a huge success!
Joseph Tainter a écrit :
Alex, help with a little test, would you? Set the *ist D to mtf
(custom function 1), then test it outside in program mode on a day
with good light. What f-stops do you get at different focal lengths? I
got the following, which seemed odd:
16-28 mm. f4.0
35 mm. f4.5
Thanks all
I might try to get one. I love wide angle, but sometines the 2.8/20mm is too
wide. I don't have a 24mm or 35mm, just the A 2.8/20mm and a SMCA 2.8/28mm,
so this focal length 24-35 seems to be what I'm missing.
All the best
Jens
Jens Bladt
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