CheekyGeek wrote:
You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot at ISO 6400.
Just wanted to underline that one for next year's book.
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On 4 September 2010 20:53, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping method for film being
pioneered by AGFA that would bring allow film ISO's to exceed 204,800 with
acceptable results IIRC.
How's that project coming along?
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You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot at ISO 6400.
Just wanted to underline that one for next year's book.
: )
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They succeeded. The results are in the Smithsonian. Just to point
out, film photography is still one of our most popular studio art
courses.
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
On 4 September 2010 20:53, P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Somewhere
On 9/7/2010 3:29 PM, Miserere wrote:
On 4 September 2010 20:53, P. J. Allingwebstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote:
Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping method for film being
pioneered by AGFA that would bring allow film ISO's to exceed 204,800 with
acceptable results IIRC.
How's
I'm pretty happy with the K20D at ISO 2500, without preforming heroic
post processing. The K-7 should handle ISO 1600 with no problems.
On 8/31/2010 1:07 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
Thanks for the shots. When needed, I would push the K10D to 800. The
K7 should be at least that good, yes?
My K7 is slightly less noisy than was my K20 at speeds of 800 and above. It
might be slightly more noisy in the shadows at 400, but not significantly.
Paul
On Sep 4, 2010, at 8:22 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
I'm pretty happy with the K20D at ISO 2500, without preforming heroic post
processing.
Somewhere around the 1990's I read about a doping method for film
being pioneered by AGFA that would bring allow film ISO's to exceed
204,800 with acceptable results IIRC.
On 9/1/2010 11:16 AM, Paul Sorenson wrote:
It is kind of mind boggling. When I got my first SLR in the early
1960s
It is much like saying all lenses are sharpest at 2 stops from wide open.
Yes, but If you don't how the lens is optimized, as a general rule of
thumb it works better than most.
On 9/1/2010 6:03 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
One has to wonder how he came to that conclusion. Seems you would
2010/9/2 Miserere miser...@gmail.com:
You need a license to own a gun, but they let anyone shoot at ISO 6400.
Mark =)
Cheers
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As much as I enjoy this, I probably should 'fess up. A friend of a
friend had a K7 and kindly let me try it with my own SD card. I tired
exactly what Mis. mentioned, i.e., I took a few correctly exposed
shots at 1600, 3200, and 6400. I was more than satisfied in that I
probably won't try
From: Miserere
2) The K10D IS NOT RUBBISH at ISO 1600! People say all the time that
the K10D is bad in low light, but never explain what this means. If by
low light you mean not enough light to achieve correct exposure,
then yes, the K10D falls short when you underexpose and then try to
recover
John Sessoms wrote:
I prefer to get exposure right in the camera.
That's always the right thing.
And when I did so at ISO 1600, my K10D just gave me unsatisfactory
performance.
Performance is the kingdom of relativity.
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Subject: Re: K7 or Kx
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Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 10:28 PM
On 1 September 2010 11:02, Boris
Liberman bori...@gmail.com
wrote:
Steve, if camera has highest ISO of 3200, it usually
Rick Womer wrote:
Mis,
I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has
a problem with VPN (vertical pattern noise), which often
screwed up nocturnal landscape shots. Sometimes I
could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
That was dubbed the Italian flag syndrome over
On 2 September 2010 11:43, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote:
Mis,
I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has a problem with VPN
(vertical pattern noise), which often screwed up nocturnal landscape shots.
Sometimes I could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
From: Dario Bonazza
Rick Womer wrote:
Mis,
I agree with you entirely, with one caveat: The K10D has
a problem with VPN (vertical pattern noise), which often
screwed up nocturnal landscape shots. Sometimes I
could make it go away with LR, but sometimes not.
That was dubbed the Italian
The D-Li90 takes forever to charge, i.e., the light won't go out. I
did take a few not fully charged shots of my dog:
http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=IMGP0023.jpg
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
As much as I
On Sep 2, 2010, at 15:51, Steven Desjardins wrote:
The D-Li90 takes forever to charge, i.e., the light won't go out. I
did take a few not fully charged shots of my dog:
http://s857.photobucket.com/albums/ab138/drd1135/PDML/?action=viewcurrent=IMGP0023.jpg
Future charges won't take
What the VPN screwed up the most for me was shots of beautifully illuminated
buildings or cityscapes against a dusk or nighttime sky. Sometimes diddling
with the white balance has helped, but usually it didn't.
Rick
--- On Thu, 9/2/10, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 September 2010
Oddly enough, I somehow missed that message of yours, Miserere.
Rant over. And it wasn't directed at you, Boris. Sorry that
your
message was the one I replied to.
Cheers,
--M.
As to your rant. Very soon after starting reading you I realized it
wasn't specifically for me, so it's ok.
On 8/31/2010 5:58 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I do like your comment But K-x has a sensor second to none. I think
Canon and Nikon might contest that. Of course, it could be a better
sensor than the K7. I'm not one that too fussy about micro-artifacts
however.
It really depends on the
2010/8/31 Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com:
I love the look on the hawk's face. Really? A Pentax? The f'ing
eagles get Nikons. Aren't those things for comorants?
Mark =) I'd like to see a short version on a T-Shirt:
A Pentax? Aren't those things for comorants?
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Well said. Mark!
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:00 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/31/2010 5:58 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I do like your comment But K-x has a sensor second to none. I think
Canon and Nikon might contest that. Of course, it could be a better
sensor than the
I freely admit that I don't think I am really understanding the
implications of ISO 12,800. It's like a person being 20 ft. tall.
My mind has trouble associating that number with that property. I
noticed that one high end Nikon had a max sensitivity of 102,400.
That's like trying to grasp an
On 9/1/2010 5:53 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I freely admit that I don't think I am really understanding the
implications of ISO 12,800. It's like a person being 20 ft. tall.
My mind has trouble associating that number with that property. I
noticed that one high end Nikon had a max
It is kind of mind boggling. When I got my first SLR in the early
1960s High Speed Ektachrome, at ASA 160, was a big step up in speed. :-)
On 9/1/2010 9:53 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote:
I freely admit that I don't think I am really understanding the
implications of ISO 12,800. It's like a
Yes, I remember Tri-X at ISO 400. All I could afford as a 15 year old
kid and I developed it all myself. Interesting that Boris suggest
that a good rule of thumb is EV down from the max ISO. So that puts
the K7 at 1600 and the Kx at 3200. I found an interesting article at
Sorry. The sentence should have read:
Interesting that Boris suggests that a good rule of thumb is two EV
down from the max ISO.
Oy.
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, I remember Tri-X at ISO 400. All I could afford as a 15 year old
kid and I
One has to wonder how he came to that conclusion. Seems you would actually
have to try all the cameras before relying on that.
Perhaps it would be better to try the camera in question before making that
broad of a generalization.
Changes in sensors and support firmware can have a big impact
On 1 September 2010 11:02, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve, if camera has highest ISO of 3200, it usually means that it is
unusable, but ISO 800 is pretty ok. So, if highest ISO is 12,800 (or even
102,400) it probably means that ISO 3200 (or 32,000) is usable. It is like
fuel
On 9/2/2010 1:03 AM, Bruce Dayton wrote:
One has to wonder how he came to that conclusion. Seems you would
actually have to try all the cameras before relying on that.
I apologize if I sounded as stating the fact. I meant to say that if the
top sensitivity is /usually/ marketing enforced
2010/8/31 Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com:
I'm keepin' mine...
So you've come off the fence then?
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On 8/31/2010 12:18 PM, eckinator wrote:
2010/8/31 Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com:
I'm keepin' mine...
So you've come off the fence then?
Well, no. I am on the fence still... There are different ways to sit on
the fence, you know ;-). E.g. one can bring a comfortable chair, attach
it
I thought of that, but I'd like to buy a new body. KEH has two K7 now
for $789 and $819 which is not much of a savings, and I don't think
I'd buy one off ebay, etc.
I do like your comment But K-x has a sensor second to none. I think
Canon and Nikon might contest that. Of course, it could be a
Steven Desjardins wrote:
I thought of that, but I'd like to buy a new body. KEH has two K7 now
for $789 and $819 which is not much of a savings, and I don't think
I'd buy one off ebay, etc.
I do like your comment But K-x has a sensor second to none. I think
Canon and Nikon might contest
The problem is that I'm not spending $1600 on a camera. The new Kr
will be about the same price as the current K7, but I suspect it will
be a better version of the Kx. That's really good but it probably
won't have K7 features. I see the K7 as my shoot the race body with
the FA135 and the E-P1
Funny thing about the low light question...before I got a K-x, I didn't shoot
low light much without a tripod but that was really because my K20 and earlier
cameras couldn't shoot low light. Now that I have a K-x, my shooting
techniques and style s have been changing due too the new
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
Now that I have a K-x, my shooting techniques and style s have been changing
due too the new capability. . . . Get the K-x because it lets you try things
you haven't done before.
+1
It isn't JUST the sensor. It
Dario,
Do you have some inside information?
Dario Bonazza dario.bona...@virgilio.it wrote:
Steven Desjardins wrote:
I thought of that, but I'd like to buy a new body. KEH has two K7 now
for $789 and $819 which is not much of a savings, and I don't think
I'd buy one off ebay, etc.
I do
On the other hand, if you plan to shoot in bad weather or if you work your
cameras as hard as I do, you'll probably want the K7. While the K7 does begin
to show some noise in exposures at ISOs above 400, the noise doesn't ramp up
all that much at levels above 400. My photo for the Pentax show
on the kx (and the k7) and
correct their shortcomings in future models, they could kick some serious butt
in the market place.
What it would take would be a k7, with incrementally better focus and metering,
kx sensitivity, Kx color choices, and in the stores.
And yes, I'm serious about the color choices
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Dario,
Do you have some inside information?
Sorry, no.
Dario
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Thanks for the shots. When needed, I would push the K10D to 800. The
K7 should be at least that good, yes? I am intrigued by Bruce's
comment. We are now reaching the stage where digital will begin to
have capabilities that will change the way people shoot. HDR might
also that it they ever get
Make that HDR might also do that it they ever get it right.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the shots. When needed, I would push the K10D to 800. The
K7 should be at least that good, yes? I am intrigued by Bruce's
comment. We are now
One big difference for me was that with the K20 and earlier I really had
to have good conditions (lighting, processing, etc) to make a high
ISO shot reasonable. For instance, when shooting weddings I could
take a couple of shots with the 50/1.4 lens close to wide open and no
flash, then process
Bruce,
You're evil...
Maybe the K-5 will be K-X like??
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Dayton bkday...@daytonphoto.com wrote:
For me, the K-x was
really a game changer in thought process and fun. Prior to that,
pretty much the old thought process all the way back into
I certainly hope so. Of course then I would have to figure out how to afford
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Bruce,
You're evil...
Maybe the K-5 will be K-X like??
Regards, Bob S.
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Bruce Dayton
Bruce, I like your point of view so much and I totally agree with you.
Steve, don't skip his excellent advice!
Dario
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One big difference for me was that with the K20 and earlier I really had
to have good conditions (lighting, processing, etc) to make a high
ISO shot reasonable. For instance, when shooting weddings I could
take a couple of shots with the 50/1.4 lens close to wide open and no
I love the look on the hawk's face. Really? A Pentax? The f'ing
eagles get Nikons. Aren't those things for comorants?
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:33 PM, paul stenquist
pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:
On the other hand, if you plan to shoot in bad weather or if you work your
cameras as hard
Hello John,
I have both the K10 and K20 and the low light on the K10 is much
worse, as you have experienced. The K20 and K7 have basically the
same sensor so the low light performance between them is very
similar. There are a few who think the K7 is better and a few who
think the K20 is better.
Here's another K-X example if you need low light capabilities. Pretty
much a straight import into LR3 - at ISO 12,800. The noise isn't
objectionable at normal viewing. (K-X, fa80-...@320mm,1/1...@f5.6)
http://www.studio1941.com/photos/content/IMGP0631_large.html
-p
On 8/31/2010 1:34 PM,
There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
announced, there'll be a lot of people selling their K7's and K-x's (and
other, older bodies) in order to upgrade. At this moment, you may find
an excellent specimen of K7 or K-x for more than a reasonable price.
Personally,
as the serious work camera, like a motorcycle race.
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Good
On Aug 29, 2010, at 21:15, P N Stenquist wrote:
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:
Frankly, I don't think you could ever regret getting a K-x. IF the K-r
is indeed an upgrade then cross that bridge when you come to it. The
K7 I would consider only if having the two dials is
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing is
coming back on anything other than flagship model.
Weather sealing was one reason I personally liked the K200D and I'm
sorry it
2010/8/30 CheekyGeek cheekyg...@gmail.com:
And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing is
coming back on anything other than flagship model.
As long as they keep it on one model I'll be happy. It is why I chose
Pentax in the first place.
Cheers
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:16 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Robinson
charl...@visi.com wrote:
And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing is
coming back on anything other than flagship model.
Weather sealing was
On Aug 30, 2010, at 11:12 , P N Stenquist wrote:
On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:16 AM, CheekyGeek wrote:
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:50 AM, Charles Robinson
charl...@visi.com wrote:
And weather sealing.
I'll go on record as saying that I don't think that weather sealing
is
coming back on
On 30 August 2010 02:18, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
announced, there'll be a lot of people selling their K7's and K-x's...
Yeah, and my K10D. Any takers??? :-D
One thing you didn't mention about the K-7: It only
M,
I've got some spray paint cans, we can make any color you want. :-)
Regards, Bob S.
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 August 2010 02:18, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote:
There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
I was at WallyWorld today and saw Pop Photo for the first time in
ages. Big Ol' K7 on the cover. They extolled the virtues of the K7
and the DA 55-300 as a serious but affordable nature kit. They like
the Kx two lens kit as well, but the K7 with a Sigma 10-20 made the
cover as a
I'm keepin' mine...
On 8/31/2010 12:06 AM, Miserere wrote:
On 30 August 2010 02:18, Boris Libermanbori...@gmail.com wrote:
There is yet another possibility, Steve. When new Pentax cameras are
announced, there'll be a lot of people selling their K7's and K-x's...
Yeah, and my K10D. Any
. I just did a major culling of the Pentax gear and
only have the FA20-35, FA50 1.4 and the FA135 2.8 left. I need a new
main body (I do have the *ist D and Ds left but not what I want to go
with). The Kx and K7 should be coming down a bit in price because of
the Kr and K5. I have about $900
Gee, I'll have to go back and read that Leica thread now. However, it
is my considered opinion before reading it that a good number of list
members need to up their intake of fibre.
: )
My thoughts on YOUR question...
I went from a K200D to a K-x. Honestly, if I had to choose between a
K7 and a
On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:46 PM, CheekyGeek wrote:
Gee, I'll have to go back and read that Leica thread now. However, it
is my considered opinion before reading it that a good number of list
members need to up their intake of fibre.
: )
My thoughts on YOUR question...
I went from a K200D to a
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Gee, I'll have to go back and read that Leica thread now. However, it
is my considered opinion before reading
, FA50 1.4 and the FA135 2.8 left. I need a new
main body (I do have the *ist D and Ds left but not what I want to go
with). The Kx and K7 should be coming down a bit in price because of
the Kr and K5. I have about $900 but the Kr looks a lot like an
upgraded Kx with the same sensor. I can go
with the macro 50 it's my walk around Disney
World, etc., kit. I just did a major culling of the Pentax gear and
only have the FA20-35, FA50 1.4 and the FA135 2.8 left. I need a new
main body (I do have the *ist D and Ds left but not what I want to go
with). The Kx and K7 should be coming down
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Good question, with only opinions for answers. First off you have to ask
yourself what the primary use of this camera will be. Any professional use or
strictly amateur. The K-x
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