Didn't Kodak say the same thing at one point?
On 4/24/2012 11:58 AM, Stan Halpin wrote:
Recent articles in various newspaper business sections have talked about Sony
Corp's attempts to stop losing money. The general impression is that they have
far too many product lines with much competition
Too bad most of the other parts of Sony don't seem to be making money
either. I remember when I was a kid, my father got a Sony portable
AM/FM radio that could fit in shirt pocket, (huge by today's
standards). But compared to the competition was a.) Extremely well
made, b.) still about half
Recent articles in various newspaper business sections have talked about Sony
Corp's attempts to stop losing money. The general impression is that they have
far too many product lines with much competition rather than cooperation across
various fiefdoms within the corporation. The new President
I had heard some time (over a year) ago that some catastrophic setbacks in the
production of their play station cost so much money, they would never make any
money on it and would likely lose a load of money that would have to be made up
through other parts of Sony.
Jeffery
On Apr 24, 2012,
From: P. J. Alling
I think Sony may have abandoned their full frame line. Both are
discontinued and have been for some time. A pity really since the A900
was supposed to be quite nice, and the A850 was very inexpensive for
what it was.
Somebody around here would know.
--
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Boris,
That's an interesting question.
The rumor around here is that Sony is having profit problems.
They should give the 35mm SLR's more time to take hold.
I'm sure their point-n-shoot sales are being hit by 'no-name' competition,
besides what Canon, Nikon, and other name brands are selling.
Not exactly a rumor, Sony lost about 5 Billion dollars, yes dollars not
yen, last quarter. They have a budget that puts a lot of smaller
countries to shame.
On 4/23/2012 11:44 AM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Boris,
That's an interesting question.
The rumor around here is that Sony is having profit
Thankfully we're not that small, but 5e9 shekels would do us good I
suppose.
I think that Sony is in a bit of restructuring as of late, as they
also are about to cut 1e5 jobs.
Yet, they appear to have passed Nikon, who's now 3rd biggest, Canon
still being the 1st.
On 4/24/2012 00:18, P.
The owners of both of the local stores in Raleigh told me the same
thing. Pentax would not keep them as a dealer unless they *stocked in
inventory* one of every item Pentax offered (excepting endoscopes). Both
were existing dealers who had carried a fair amount of Pentax merchandise.
This was
On 4/20/2012 18:33, Tom C wrote:
The NEX-7 is on the back-burner. I ordered it from Amazon last
September and due to the flooding disaster in Thailand, production was
delayed. I got an email from Amazon in late March saying it would ship
in two days. At that point I had a different financial
I think Sony may have abandoned their full frame line. Both are
discontinued and have been for some time. A pity really since the A900
was supposed to be quite nice, and the A850 was very inexpensive for
what it was.
On 4/22/2012 11:56 PM, Boris Liberman wrote:
On 4/20/2012 18:33, Tom C
On 4/23/2012 07:06, P. J. Alling wrote:
I think Sony may have abandoned their full frame line. Both are
discontinued and have been for some time. A pity really since the A900
was supposed to be quite nice, and the A850 was very inexpensive for
what it was.
It might be so. A pity really. I
Pentax would actually have to respond to stores that want to carry them
for this to even marginally work. The last local and by local I mean
less than 25 miles away from where I sit, if you can call that local,
full service, camera store tells me that they stopped carrying Pentax
because
The best camera must be the 41MP Nokia - most MP per buck ;)
Alex
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Tom C caka...@gmail.com wrote:
The 645D is a 40MP camera. The D800/E is a 36MP camera. Cost per MP
calculation:
645D is $250/MP
800E is $92/MP
(K-5 is $62.50/MP if priced at $1000)
In
On 4/19/2012 5:02 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
Hell, look at what Walt is getting with his collection of obsolete
bodies and lenses that are old enough to vote.
I wouldn't hold that against the whole company, though. :)
In short, are you going to bitch about the prices of gear that you
don't
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com wrote:
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long fast
Boris wrote:
I thought that bitching was kind of allocated for PentaxForums crowds... ;-)
Seriously, however, I can totally feel for you, Tom, because as you said
in another message for your landscape work pixel count is most valuable.
I thought by the way that you were going to get (already
Paul,
I've managed with my A300/4 and the DA60-250.
I'd like the 500/4 for birding.
The A300 plus the AF1.7X comes close, but the image quality could be better.
I see the guys like Ken Waller running around with big glass on Wembly head
and I'm jealous.
Regards, Bob S.
On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at
- Original Message -
From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
Paul,
I've managed with my A300/4 and the DA60-250.
I'd like the 500/4 for birding.
The A300 plus the AF1.7X comes close, but the image quality could be better.
I see the guys like Ken
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
Paul,
I've managed with my A300/4 and the DA60-250.
I'd like the 500/4 for birding.
The A300 plus the AF1.7X comes close, but the image quality could be better.
I see the guys like Ken Waller running around with big glass on Wembly head
and I'm
/kennethwaller
- Original Message -
From: Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
Ken,
Earlier this year, Lynn I visited her old hometown, the Quad-cities.
We spent an hour or two at Mississippi Lock Dam #14 on the Iowa side.
The Bald Eagles were
a) The bane of the problem is comparison of Pentax to the Canikons for
everything. Remember unrest in a family starts when we start chiding
and comparing our son with uncle Joe's.
b) It is true MSRP always co-existed with Street Prices. And we
enjoyed buying gear at Street Prices. Look at DP
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
I'm certainly a value/bang-for the buck kind of guy. I'm terribly late
to the K-5 party, but I'm hoping to snag one soon. I believe that it
is *still* near the top of the heap (if not at the top) of the best
APS-C cameras available today. I'm pretty
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long fast
AF glass for Pentax.
The only option is to go Canon/Nikon.
So I am beginning to
on 2012-04-18 17:30 Stan Halpin wrote
So Tom, are you saying that the only reason you and others use Pentax gear is
to get a lower price? I, and at least a few others, use Pentax because we
prefer their product to Nikon, Canon, and other brands.
i bought my K200d because it seemed like a
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long fast
AF glass for Pentax.
The only option is to go Canon/Nikon.
So I am
Quoting Bob Sullivan rf.sulli...@gmail.com:
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long fast
AF glass for Pentax.
The only
On 4/19/2012 1:11 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long fast
AF glass for Pentax.
The only
An impetus for my feeling this way is the new lens pricing policy.
I've damaged my DA 14/2.8 and a new one is almost $1000. The deeper I
let Pentax into my pocket the harder it will be to get them out. A new
lens and a K-5 is almost 2/3 the price of a D800E.
That 14/2.8 is currently $949.50
In short, are you going to bitch about the prices of gear that you don't
have? Or go out and take pictures with the gear that you do?
--
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est)
I reserve the right to both bitch AND take pretty pictures with my crappy gear.
Tom C.
--
PDML
On 4/19/2012 3:33 PM, Tom C wrote:
In short, are you going to bitch about the prices of gear that you don't
have? Or go out and take pictures with the gear that you do?
--
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est)
I reserve the right to both bitch AND take pretty pictures with my crappy
On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Tom C wrote:
In short, are you going to bitch about the prices of gear that you don't
have? Or go out and take pictures with the gear that you do?
--
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est)
I reserve the right to both bitch AND take pretty pictures
Larry, very well spoken (wait typed), Joe
On 4/19/2012 1:11 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy
From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info
And it is certainly a tribute to your photographic skills that you are able
to take such fine pictures with such a limited system! (;-)
My mother in her later years commented I don't mind change; I just would
rather that things stayed the same.
On Apr 19, 2012, at 4:11 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Tom,
I have to say that I'm beginning to feel like you.
I've faithfully upgraded my way thru Pentax cameras to the K-5. (DS,
K-10, K-20, K-7, K-5)
Now I'm beginning to wonder where/when I'll be able to buy long fast
AF glass for Pentax.
I
On 4/20/2012 01:33, Tom C wrote:
In short, are you going to bitch about the prices of gear that you don't
have? Or go out and take pictures with the gear that you do?
--
Larry Colen l...@red4est.com (from dos4est)
I reserve the right to both bitch AND take pretty pictures with my crappy
on 2012-04-19 16:02 Larry Colen wrote
Let's say that Ned is right, in order to get Pentax into more stores, they have
to be more aggressive about enforcing pricing. One thing that they can't do,
while their existing customers have a bunch of stock on the shelves is drop
MSRP too much. It's
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
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That makes perfect sense. While I'm not really keen on the actual
prices being enforced (who likes to pay more?), getting the product in
stores for a similar price as online may actually get me to shop in a
store if I want to try a lens out.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Christine Nielsen
No ties to Cnadian stores.:-) The assistanr manager at the Henrys
store in Newmarket Ontario i deal with, and just recently bought my
K-5 from, said to me they could sell a lot of Pentax gear if they
would stock them more. Not sure if its bs cause i was buying a pentax
product or not.???
Dave
Christine,
Thanks for posting this.
So Pentax,USA is going to force BH to charge full Manufacturer's
Suggested Retail Price on the internet. And this price umbrella will
support our local Brick Mortar shops profits??? 30+ years ago, long
before the internet, folks read photo magazine adds and
10:31 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
Christine,
Thanks for posting this.
So Pentax,USA is going to force BH to charge full Manufacturer's
Suggested Retail Price on the internet. And this price umbrella will
support our local Brick Mortar shops profits
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
I believe its illegal for a company to force no discounting policies on
retailers.
The Supreme Court ruled otherwise (at least under some circumstances) in 2007:
http://www.fvldlaw.com/?t=40an=923format=xml
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...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sullivan
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:31 AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
Christine,
Thanks for posting this.
So Pentax,USA is going to force BH to charge full Manufacturer's
Suggested
This tracks with the enforced pricing compliance I had recently read was
coming.
Jack
- Original Message -
From: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 6:40 AM
Subject: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
http
: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
If it is part of the contract that both parties agree to, why would it
be illegal? The retailer is not being forced to sell Pentax products.
If they don't like the terms of the deal, then they won't sell
Pentax.
It certainly hasn't stopped Apple from selling
AM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:33 AM, J.C. O'Connell hifis...@gate.net wrote:
I believe its illegal for a company to force no discounting policies on
retailers.
The Supreme Court ruled otherwise (at least under some
That makes perfect sense. While I'm not really keen on the actual
prices being enforced (who likes to pay more?), getting the product in
stores for a similar price as online may actually get me to shop in a
store if I want to try a lens out.
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Christine
The one small problem I see with this policy is that it can only
extend to new items.
Thus, I think we'll see a plethora of open box demo models being
sold as used at whatever the market will bear. I wonder if this is
already taking place. The DA 35mm f2.8 Macro Limited (that will
finally be in
on 2012-04-18 7:40 Christine Nielsen wrote
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
full of unsupported claims about benefits
quaint and romantic as the idea is (or isn't, when it's Walmart), a physical
retail store is just a lousy proposition if it has
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
wrote:
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
Correct subject line this time (crap)...
And this statement: To clarify, we have not raised the prices on
any lenses. is a bit
On Apr 18, 2012, at 10:57, Darren Addy wrote:
Keep in mind that in the past, the really low prices you saw
advertised were for Grey Market lenses that didn't come with USA
warranties anyway.
I got my 16-50 from BuyDig.com back in 2008 and it came with a U.S. warranty.
AND it was only
-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
wrote:
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
Correct subject
Christine Nielsen wrote on Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:40:14 -0700
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
Seems like Pentax is not alone in doing this. Nikon has already made a similar
move:
On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Charles Robinson charl...@visi.com wrote:
I got my 16-50 from BuyDig.com back in 2008 and it came with a U.S. warranty.
AND it was only $649.00.
Current list is, what, about 2 1/2 times that? It's not going to sell at
that price.
Not to me.
Dave
This is like Restrictive Trade Practices worth the notice of the
Commerce Dept. Just that Mr. Bunnell has used lots of words - cotton
wooling in British slang - to detract from the main point.
Hope Ricoh - Pentax sees sense.
Regards. Bipin - from a far away enchanting land.
--
PDML
In India it is mandatory by law that every item or product for sale
carry an MRP (maximum retail price) on the carton as well as the item
inside. However the TV channels keep educating people on their rights
saying, you do not have to pay MRP - exercise your right.
For example a 500 ml bottle of
James King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote:
Christine Nielsen wrote on Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:40:14 -0700
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
Seems like Pentax is not alone in doing this. Nikon has already made a
similar move:
On 2012-04-18 12:48, Jack Davis wrote:
I suppose there is the hope that time will soften the sting of higher prices
(especially to those largely upset with the fates for having waited too long
before buying) when a leveling has been in place for awhile.
They can hope that if they want, but
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Bipin Gupta
In India it is mandatory by law that every item or product for sale
carry an MRP (maximum retail price) on the carton as well as the item
inside. However the TV channels keep educating people on their rights
From: steve harley p...@paper-ape.com
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
full of unsupported claims about benefits
quaint and romantic as the idea is (or isn't, when it's Walmart), a physical
retail store is just a lousy proposition if it has to
James King jamesk8...@mac.com wrote:
http://nedbunnell.posterous.com/lens-prices-and-our-channel-strategy-in-the-u
Seems like Pentax is not alone in doing this. Nikon has already made a
similar move:
http://nikonrumors.com/2011/10/14/the-new-nikon-us-pricing-policy-explained.aspx/
Mark
The most disingenuous statement Mr. Bunnell makes is that Pentax did
not raise prices (ostensibly because, by knocking off the discounts
any additional profits go to the camera store and not Pentax). That's
crazy talk. The Pentax/Ricoh policy *did* raise prices for The
Consumer (ultimately the
The price differential between Nikon/Canon and Pentax should evolve to previous
levels in a reasonably short [period of time.
Jack :-)
- Original Message -
From: Tom C caka...@gmail.com
To: pdml@pdml.net
Cc:
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens
-
-Original Message-
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Jack
Davis
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 4:23 PM
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
Subject: Re: Mr. Bunnell on lens pricing...
The price differential between Nikon/Canon and Pentax should evolve to
previous levels
From: Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
The most disingenuous statement Mr. Bunnell makes is that Pentax did
not raise prices (ostensibly because, by knocking off the discounts
any additional profits go to the camera store and not Pentax). That's
crazy talk. The Pentax/Ricoh policy *did*
On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Tom C wrote:
I've never paid MSRP. MSRP has always been artificially high so that
anything below that looks like a discount.
In fact if Pentax had demanded MSRP for their products, my association
with Pentax would have been over at the time I was choosing
So Tom, are you saying that the only reason you and others use Pentax gear is
to get a lower price? I, and at least a few others, use Pentax because we
prefer their product to Nikon, Canon, and other brands.
stan
On Apr 18, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tom C wrote:
So basically all the camera
On Apr 18, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Darren Addy wrote:
The Pentax/Ricoh policy *did* raise prices for The
Consumer (ultimately the only one we care about).
I also care about the store that sells me the goods and the company that makes
the product. If you focus only on the lowest price, then soon
Stan,
You are on a slippery slope here.
Pentax users are the people who drive old cars and search for good values.
We've verified that in prior discussions.
We don't need the cashe that comes with Nikon or Canon or Leica.
Low prices and good value are keys for us.
Regards, Bob S.
On Wed, Apr 18,
From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info
On Apr 18, 2012, at 11:48 AM, Tom C wrote:
I've never paid MSRP. MSRP has always been artificially high so that
anything below that looks like a discount.
In fact if Pentax had demanded MSRP for their products, my association
with Pentax would
I came for the value (the K-x) and I'm staying because I'm a bit of a
romantic.
-- Walt
On 4/18/2012 8:17 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote:
Stan,
You are on a slippery slope here.
Pentax users are the people who drive old cars and search for good values.
We've verified that in prior discussions.
We
So Tom, are you saying that the only reason you and others use Pentax gear is
to get a lower price? I, and at least a few others, use Pentax because we
prefer their product to Nikon, Canon, and other brands.
stan
On Apr 18, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tom C wrote:
So basically all the camera
I'm certainly a value/bang-for the buck kind of guy. I'm terribly late
to the K-5 party, but I'm hoping to snag one soon. I believe that it
is *still* near the top of the heap (if not at the top) of the best
APS-C cameras available today. I'm pretty pleased with the 20x30
prints I've seen from
On 2012-04-18 15:51, Tom C wrote:
I wonder if this is not an industry wide effort to stave off the
ongoing price drop as technology becomes less expensive to
manufacture, as well as, to a degree, slow the downward price spiral.
My seat-of-the-pants thought is that it's a symptom of the same
On Apr 19, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Doug Franklin wrote:
My seat-of-the-pants thought is that it's a symptom of the same malady
afflicting the music business ... the world has changed but the business
model hasn't, or not enough. For hard goods manufacturers like Pentax,
it's probably more
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