Re: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-03 Thread mike wilson
From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/05/02 Tue PM 11:58:07 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-03 Thread Kenneth Waller
Of course my impact wrench is 35 years old, so maybe that doesn't count. Never mind:-). That's ok cause you used it on a 51 year old car! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-03 Thread P. J. Alling
want to know! We saved our programs in high school on paper tape and entered them at the teletype. DEC10. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Date: Tue

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-03 Thread Tom C
] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 16:36:39 -0400 I'm not as old as I thought, I learned to program on a CRT, (My last assignment, for extra credit, had to be submitted

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Malcolm Smith
William Robb wrote: For the great unwashed, it is also a matter of complacency and lack of interest. I predict that an entire generation of pictures will mostly be lost because the computer is not archiving friendly. For once, my sympathies lie with the public. Operating systems over

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread David Mann
On May 2, 2006, at 4:30 PM, William Robb wrote: I predict that an entire generation of pictures will mostly be lost because the computer is not archiving friendly. I'll predict the same thing because most writable CD/DVD media is cheap crap. Regardless of the future readability of

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A more powerful machine doesn't necessarily mean a machine that's more complicated to operate. While it's true that new programs may require a bit of time to learn, it seems that many, especially those designed for the average user, aren't that difficult to figure out, especially if you've used

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2006, at 11:29 AM, John Forbes wrote: Using a computer and programming a computer are two very different things, as you well know. Writing scripts is programming, and to somebody who has never done it, it represents a major obstacle. Who said anything about writing a script?

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Godfrey, you're being slightly wrong here... Consider this. Find a task which you cannot possibly do. For me it would be fixing my own car on my own

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
A more powerful doesn't necessarily mean a machine that's more complicated to operate. While it's true that new programs may require a bit of time to learn, it seems that many, especially those designed for the average user, aren't that difficult to figure out, especially if you've used earlier

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread graywolf
Hey, Shel, would you copy my 8 floppies to DVD for me? And I've got a half dozen 1/4 512mb SCSI tape cartridges that I would like to have copied too... Oh, yes, about 150 3.5 inch floppies as well; my floppy drive died last year and I do not feel it is worth $5 to replace it although I may get

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Tom C
To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 12:06:07 -0400 Hey, Shel, would you copy my 8 floppies to DVD for me? And I've got a half dozen 1/4 512mb SCSI tape cartridges that I would like to have copied too... Oh, yes

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 2, 2006, at 9:06 AM, graywolf wrote: Humm...? That makes me think. The two modern conveniences I would not want to give up are the indoor bathroom, and the personal computer. Reminds me of a family get together years ago when my great great grandmother was still alive. There were

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread David J Brooks
Quoting graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Humm...? That makes me think. The two modern conveniences I would not want to give up are the indoor bathroom, and the personal computer. graywolf I'd have to say the pants zipper vbg and computer would be mine. Things i can live with out would be local

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Malcolm Smith
Shel Belinkoff wrote: A more powerful machine doesn't necessarily mean a machine that's more complicated to operate. While it's true that new programs may require a bit of time to learn, it seems that many, especially those designed for the average user, aren't that difficult to figure

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread John Forbes
You don't need to have been born in 1880 to have experienced life without modern conveniences. In my young day in East Africa we had a wood fire and a paraffin (kerosene) fridge. Telephones and televisions were unknown. I went to the cinema only twice before I was thirteen (the

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject: RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? And no different is the buying public in wanting the latest, that does more and more but is slowly becoming remote from any ability to use computers as they were

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hi Bill, I may be different from some people in that I spend a lot of time researching whatever interests me or what I need. I'm kind of hard wired that way, perhaps something I picked up from my parents or grand parents. Funny thing is, my brother and sister are that way as well. I've seen my

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Kenneth Waller
Subject: RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? A more powerful doesn't necessarily mean a machine that's more complicated to operate. While it's true that new programs may require a bit of time to learn, it seems that many, especially those designed for the average user

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Tom C
it's too late. Tom C. From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 12:20:01 -0600 - Original Message - From: Malcolm Smith Subject

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2006-05-02 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/2/2006 9:08:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Humm...? That makes me think. The two modern conveniences I would not want to give up are the indoor bathroom, and the personal computer. graywolf I kind of like microwave ovens too. And I doubt I

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? I kind of like microwave ovens too. And I doubt I could live happily without my DVD player now (once my VCR, which I still have, of course). I like my compound

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread David Savage
What sort of nails do you use to nail air? Dave S. On 5/3/06, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like my compound mitre saw and air nailer... William Robb

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-02 Thread Paul Stenquist
: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? I kind of like microwave ovens too. And I doubt I could live happily without my DVD player now (once my VCR, which I still have, of course). I like my compound mitre saw and air

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 01 May 2006 05:37:42 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Once you put all your files into a repository as large and as fast as a hard drive based backup system, making conversions en masse is simply not an issue. - Move the data to a new archive? Plug in the new

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2006, at 2:45 AM, John Forbes wrote: They say that tight-rope walking over Niagara isn't that difficult - once you pass a certain threshold of resources and understanding. Tightrope walking over Niagra Falls is just as difficult as tightrope walking anywhere else. Once you have

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? It is not comparable to learning how to operate a computer and knowing what to do to move data, which simply takes storage devices, a little time with a book

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2006, at 6:47 AM, William Robb wrote: The very vast majority of people are not interested in this subject. They want technology that works, is simple, and doesn't require much thought or maintenance. Up intil recently, the vadt majority of pictures were stored on a hard copy, and

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/1/2006 6:49:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now that the computer industry has taken over the job of image storage, it has a defacto responsibility to the consumer to emulate the simplicity of film based image storage. This means a responsible

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 01 May 2006 14:38:45 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 1, 2006, at 2:45 AM, John Forbes wrote: They say that tight-rope walking over Niagara isn't that difficult - once you pass a certain threshold of resources and understanding. Tightrope walking over

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2006, at 7:22 AM, John Forbes wrote: It is not comparable to learning how to operate a computer and knowing what to do to move data, which simply takes storage devices, a little time with a book, and a plan to do what is required. Nearly anyone can do it, except for the very

Re: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread mike wilson
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Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Hey, I'm probably at the low end of the technology oriented. Not a complete dunce, but nowhere near as knowledgeable as many people on the list. However, I can burn a CD or DVD, or copy my files to a second hard drive easily enough. I may not always know the fastest way to do things, and I

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2006, at 7:22 AM, John Forbes wrote: It is not comparable to learning how to operate a computer and knowing what to do to move data, which simply takes storage devices, a little time with a book, and a plan to do what is required. Nearly anyone can do it, except for the very

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread graywolf
I imagine the vast majority of photographs were stored like my parents' were when I was a kid. The had a big cardboard box in the attic about 25 inches on a side. In it were a half dozen albums, and half filling it were snapshot prints and negatives just tossed in loose. graywolf

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread John Forbes
On Mon, 01 May 2006 16:50:36 +0100, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On May 1, 2006, at 7:22 AM, John Forbes wrote: It is not comparable to learning how to operate a computer and knowing what to do to move data, which simply takes storage devices, a little time with a book, and

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Shel Belinkoff Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Hey, I'm probably at the low end of the technology oriented. Not a complete dunce, but nowhere near as knowledgeable as many people on the list. However, I can burn

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Adam Maas
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Godfrey DiGiorgi Regards the standards, well, the only thing for certain is that they're a great idea. That's why there are so many of them. The concept of a lot of standards as being a good thing is moronic. William Robb I think

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Shel Belinkoff
WooHoo (is that the correct PDML techno-term?) ... I'm ahead of some people ;-)) Seriously, Bill, there are a lot of folks who are not on this or other lists, who rarely surf the web for computer info, or participate in any technical forums, yet they seem to be able to make backups and burn DVD's

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Tom C
MOST do not. Tom C. From: Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 12:45:42 -0700 WooHoo (is that the correct PDML techno-term?) ... I'm

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On May 1, 2006, at 12:26 PM, Bob W wrote: Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on. You'll be needing Steve Swing Low Cotterell for that... The horse I rode in on isn't interested in Bill, sorry. Cotty? Godfrey

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Bob W
in which their crap software is to be used. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01 May 2006 20:46 To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? WooHoo (is that the correct PDML

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Eactivist
In a message dated 5/1/2006 1:11:08 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I was in control of that team I would immediately send them all on a user-centred design course and make sure they learn to listen to people's needs, and understand the context in which their crap software

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! Tightrope walking over Niagra Falls is just as difficult as tightrope walking anywhere else. Once you have the skill to walk a tightrope high up in open air, you can do it anywhere. All it takes beyond that is courage, insanity or stupidity, depending upon the perspective of the person

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-05-01 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Godfrey, you're being slightly wrong here... Consider this. Find a task which you cannot possibly do. For me it would be fixing my own car on my own. Find another

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Boris Liberman Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Will there be a program, a software piece able to read the PEFs or DNGs or JPGs or TIFFs in 25 years? We are having a similar problem with defunct film formats. We

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread John Forbes
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 06:00:37 +0100, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I discovered the need more storage thread just now, by looking in the archives. Long term storage is a hot topic among my friends over here at the moment, but nobody seems to have any best practice to point

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread graywolf
CD's are already being replaced by flash memory. DVD's are being replaced by DL DVD's, and eventually will probably be replace by flash memory too. What will replace flash memory, who knows? You can bet that no media will ever have a useful life expectancy of more than 10 years before it is

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread Bob W
Will there be a program, a software piece able to read the PEFs or DNGs or JPGs or TIFFs in 25 years? Boris, you are not going to go to sleep like Rip Van Winkle, and wake up in 30 years to find that JPEGS are history. You'll see a new format introduced (if it is), and make new

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread John Forbes
On Sun, 30 Apr 2006 14:26:06 +0100, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will there be a program, a software piece able to read the PEFs or DNGs or JPGs or TIFFs in 25 years? Boris, you are not going to go to sleep like Rip Van Winkle, and wake up in 30 years to find that JPEGS are history.

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread George Sinos
Bob - I don't see the time or cost of format conversion as different than the investment I'm making in scanning slides and prints into digital formats. And digital files are much easier and cheaper to convert to new formats than film and paper. Usually these conversions can be performed over a

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Once you put all your files into a repository as large and as fast as a hard drive based backup system, making conversions en masse is simply not an issue. - Move the data to a new archive? Plug in the new drive, plug in the original, tell the OS to copy it. Have lunch or go to bed. It

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-29 Thread Boris Liberman
Hi! I discovered the need more storage thread just now, by looking in the archives. Long term storage is a hot topic among my friends over here at the moment, but nobody seems to have any best practice to point to. Nobody includes me too :-) but I would very much like to establish a good

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread David Savage
On 4/28/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The keeping quality of inkjet prints depends upon both the ink type and the mating of paper and ink, as well as the archival qualities of the paper itself. I'm not sure what you mean by reticulation ... What I see in my older dye-based

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 27, 2006, at 11:08 PM, David Savage wrote: Reticulation, like on film, the surface looks like a cracked dried lake bed. I've seen it on some of my old inkjet prints too. Ah, ok. Sounds like a poor mating of ink and paper surface. I haven't seen that particular deterioration on any

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Ryan Lee
Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Dear gang, I discovered the need more storage thread just now, by looking in the archives. Long term storage

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread David Mann
On Apr 28, 2006, at 5:22 AM, graywolf wrote: And then, the house I had the negatives and prints from my serious photography period stored at burned down. With digital media it is easy to have copies in two or more locations. Yes, one set of my DVD backups is stored offsite for this very

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Cotty
Negs in binders. Digital camera originals on two separate hard drives and DVD. I'm leaning towards hard drive storage in the future. I increasingly find DVDs are antiquated and cumbersome technology. I print about 1 % of my work for reasons of cost and space. I shoot about 6000 frames a year.

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Markus Maurer
Hi Ryan I agree after seeing that you backup to other media too. sorry for the misunderstanding. greetings Markus -Original Message- From: Ryan Brooks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:45 PM To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Apr 28, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Ah, ok. Sounds like a poor mating of ink and paper surface. That, or the base shrunk and the top coating cracked and bubbled and came off. -Aaron

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread David Savage
It's only happened to prints made on cheap Kodak paper, which in my experience didn't get along too well with Epson's inks. Dave S. On 4/28/06, Aaron Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 28, 2006, at 2:12 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Ah, ok. Sounds like a poor mating of ink and paper

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2006-04-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers' recommended OEM papers, of course. Godfrey On Apr 28, 2006, at 7:31 AM, David Savage wrote: It's only happened to prints made on cheap Kodak paper, which in my experience didn't get along too well with Epson's inks. Dave S. On

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread David Savage
Yep. My experience convinced me to stick with Epson's paper. I have had good results with Ilford's paper though. Dave S. On 4/28/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers' recommended OEM papers, of course. Godfrey On Apr 28,

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 28, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Aaron Reynolds wrote: This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers' recommended OEM papers, of course. Except my base shrinkage and cracking problem occurred with a supposedly archival Epson paper (since discontinued), using an archival Epson

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Apr 28, 2006, at 11:20 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: This is one of the arguments for using the manufacturers' recommended OEM papers, of course. Except my base shrinkage and cracking problem occurred with a supposedly archival Epson paper (since discontinued), using an archival Epson

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread graywolf
Well you are taking about theory and I am talking about observed prints. Those prints I were made about 6 months ago on a current model Epson with Epson ink and Epson paper. However it is a low end model printer as I can not afford anything else. I was showing them outdoors to a friend and

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Badri A
So it turns out quite a few people feel the way I do. I would print my most important images and try to store them archivally. Print and transparency are, after all, the only storage media that don't require readers (apart from human vision, and I don't know when that will be antiquated). I

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-28 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
35mm slides do require readers, but they're very simple readers ... magnifying glasses or projectors. This became painfully apparent at the course I'm taking last evening when one person who brought in her art work as slides but didn't bring a light box or projector: it made it impossible

OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Jostein
Dear gang, I discovered the need more storage thread just now, by looking in the archives. Long term storage is a hot topic among my friends over here at the moment, but nobody seems to have any best practice to point to. Nobody includes me too :-) but I would very much like to establish a

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread brooksdj
So far, a back up onto a 120 gig Maxtor as well as a CD or DVD burn.For small files a CD burn and for larger files a DVD burn, so i have them backed up twice. With shooting Pef's and Nef's it does not take long to get a large folder, so its mostly Maxtor and DVD now. I'm thinking now that i

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Roberts
This looks interesting: http://www.imaginginfo.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=3id=1641

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Jostein
Thanks Dave, How long do you expect your backup copies to last? Jostein Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So far, a back up onto a 120 gig Maxtor as well as a CD or DVD burn.For small files a CD burn and for larger files a DVD burn, so i have them backed up twice. With shooting Pef's and

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Jostein
Very interesting indeed. Long-life media is a good start. If even the minimum estimate of 80 years holds, media lifetime will not be the limiting factor. Second question: Will there be any CD-R readers to go round in 80 years from now? Personal computers have been with us for 25 years, and

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread David Savage
On 4/27/06, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second question: Will there be any CD-R readers to go round in 80 years from now? Probably only in museums landfill. Personal computers have been with us for 25 years, and we've already passed through several generations of storage media that can

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Leon Altoff
Storage is not just for computers any more. When CD's came out the vinyl record disappeared, you can still get record players. Computers have become so tied up with the whole multi-media thing that they NEED to maintain compatibility with people's CD and DVD collections. My DVD collection

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody includes me too :-) but I would very much like to establish a good practice for myself. I keep all my negatives in nice safe box. Kevin -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Rick Womer
That's ducky, but who will have equipment to read a DVD in 300 years??? Rick --- Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This looks interesting: http://www.imaginginfo.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=3id=1641 http://www.photo.net/photos/RickW

Re: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread mike wilson
From: Leon Altoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/04/27 Thu PM 12:59:58 GMT To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Storage is not just for computers any more. When CD's came out the vinyl record disappeared, you can still get

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Jostein
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]: True. But there is usually a transition period where you can copy your data to whatever new storage medium is coming through. Exactly. Whatever media one choose, it has to be renewed regularly. Question is how often. Every five years seems to be a good

RE: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Malcolm Smith
Jostein wrote: Very interesting indeed. Long-life media is a good start. If even the minimum estimate of 80 years holds, media lifetime will not be the limiting factor. Second question: Will there be any CD-R readers to go round in 80 years from now? Personal computers have been with

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27 Apr 2006 at 23:41, Kevin Waterson wrote: This one time, at band camp, Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nobody includes me too :-) but I would very much like to establish a good practice for myself. I keep all my negatives in nice safe box. Is it hermetically sealed and what's

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Joseph Tainter
Mark Roberts wrote: This looks interesting: http://www.imaginginfo.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=3id=1641 - Some time ago when I was backing up to CDs I researched this on the web. The consensus for archival quality seemed to point to the gold CDs made by Mam-a -- a Japanese

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Rob Studdert
On 27 Apr 2006 at 22:59, Leon Altoff wrote: Computers have become so tied up with the whole multi-media thing that they NEED to maintain compatibility with people's CD and DVD collections. My DVD collection is only about 100 or so, but I know people with over 500 DVD's and countless CDs.

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread pnstenquist
General interest photos are stored on a hard drive and backed up to DVD. Important photos are stored on two hard drives and backed up to two DVDs. It's convenient and adequate for my needs. I burn DVDs on a regular basis while doing something else. That way it doesn't become a burden. Paul

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Apr 27, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Jostein wrote: Whatever media one choose, it has to be renewed regularly. Question is how often. Every five years seems to be a good number to me. I gravitate towards this because it's a number that has been mentioned for life-time expectancy of both CD/DVDs and

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Jack Davis
It does..look interesting. My skipping style of reading may have missed the method of 'pressing' vs 'burning'. I store all CD's in individual styrene (?) cases, some clear, some colored. I wonder if the colored cases would provide a further light inhibiting advantage. Seems possible. Interesting

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
The size of files created by PEFs (and I suppose some other raw formats) doesn't seem particularly large or cumbersome, considering that a scanned color 35mm file is about 140mb or so (Nikon Coolscan, 4000ppi), while a PEF (from the DS) is only about 10mb, and as little as about 1/2 that if

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Apr 27, 2006, at 10:08 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: I don't recall people complaining, or commenting, g about large-sized scanned files as much as they do the smaller RAW files. Think of me -- the 4000 dpi scans from 6x7 clock in at well over 500mb apiece. What knocks me out is how my

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Ryan Lee
Message - From: Jostein [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax-discuss@pdml.net Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 9:09 PM Subject: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity? Dear gang, I discovered the need more storage thread just now, by looking in the archives. Long term storage

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
1) make high quality prints of the stuff you want to keep around forever and put them into high quality storage binders. 2) digital images ... As has been said many times before, the key to storage and archiving of digital images is replication and maintenance, not permanence of the media.

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Shel Belinkoff
Id does? Why is that? I've not noticed any significant difference between large scanned file and raw files. Maybe it's the software you're computer is having trouble with, not specifically the files. Shel [Original Message] From: Aaron Reynolds Think of me -- the 4000 dpi scans from

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Ryan K. Brooks
I store all my photos and scans on a dedicated RAID 5 setup.In my case, I built one using a 3ware card, my old PC, a gig-e card and FreeBSD. Today, I'd probably buy something like the ReadyNAS NV. I make backups to firewire disks and store those off-site. To me, this is the only way

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread brooksdj
I would hope as lomg as a negative would hold out. I know the longevity numbers thrown out are from lab tests, but i would hope as long as computers are made to read my formats, or atleast give me time to upgrade them to what ever format comes along in the future. 30-50 years would be nice as

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Mark Roberts
Jostein wrote: Will there be any CD-R readers to go round in 80 years from now? That will probably be determined by things like these gold archival disks: If enough people and institutions use these disks or something like them for long-term storage, then there will be a market for equipment to

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Kevin Waterson
This one time, at band camp, Rob Studdert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it hermetically sealed and what's the fire rating? not sure if they are hermitically sealed, but they are sealed. and the fire rating is 2 hours. UL72 Class 350 / ECBS.S says the panel on the back. Kind regards Kevin --

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Eactivist
I have my pictures on my desktop hard drive. And since I have a laptop I am thinking of copying pictures I don't want to lose to it as well. I could easily lose 80-90% of my photos. :-) Only some do I really, really like. I make backups of various picture directories to DVDs periodically. I

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread brooksdj
Its mostly a jpeg or raw thing for me Shel. My equine work is 99.9% jpeg, so i can get a 3 day weekend on a CD assuming 700mb of data or less. However, if i do my personal shooting over a weekend, i might have enough pef's or nef's to fill 3-4 CD's, so i use dvd's to keep space in my

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Aaron Reynolds
On Apr 27, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Id does? Why is that? I've not noticed any significant difference between large scanned file and raw files. Maybe it's the software you're computer is having trouble with, not specifically the files. Could be -- but regardless, if the

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Apr 27, 2006, at 6:14 AM, Jostein wrote: ... However, from a consumer perspective I think it sucks big time that you have to migrate your archive every five years to maintain your memories. With film, memories could pass down through generations without much maintenance. I can't

Re: OT: How do you store your precious moments for posterity?

2006-04-27 Thread Jostein
From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] And after I'm gone, well, I figure my interest in the work will likely diminish. It will be someone else's affair as to whether it is worth keeping around. I think private persons have higher stakes in this than do professionals; it's the the

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