Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-11 Thread Igor Roshchin
"Doug Brewer" > Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution > > >> That was the big issue with Shel. It wasn't that he was harsh, but >> that he thought his way was the only way. > > Whatever one thinks of Shel (and I'm pretty sure that most

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-06 Thread David Parsons
Check out www.photosig.com It's a critique site that is based on constructive critique of pictures, and other members can vote both the pictures and critiques as helpful or not. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > >> On 2010-0

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread William Robb
-- From: "eckinator" Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution perhaps we should just have a second list fla...@pdml.net so people could choose which way they want to go =) rule: post to pdml, if you criticize, respond to flam

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread eckinator
2010/7/2 Larry Colen : > > One of my favorite lines, and one which was borrowed by Charlie Stross in > "Iron Sunrise" was posted by Geoff Miller in alt.peeves: > > "Come, Donnie-boy, let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the > wire brush of enlightenment. " > > http://groups.google.c

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola : >> >> When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms, >> Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying >> "please don't be kind". I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've >> been a

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-07-02 8:43, P. J. Alling wrote: You can count to 10 in German and sound like you're cussing someone out. Some comedian, I can't remember who, used to compare French to German by saying that you can say anything in French and it sounds like love coos, and you can say anything in Germa

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread P. J. Alling
On 7/2/2010 5:58 AM, eckinator wrote: 2010/7/2 Madame RD: Inspiration, anyone? http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/ wish i'd had this one when I used to teach English ! just the kind of things you never find in regular textbooks though it might come in handy ;))

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread Mark Roberts
Tom C wrote: >On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, P. J. Alling >wrote: > >> So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me.  The sadist answers; >> No. > >Mark! Tom: "Is P.J. a sadist?" Mark: "Beats me" -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_p

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread eckinator
2010/7/2 Madame RD : >> >> Inspiration, anyone? >> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/81027441/ > > wish i'd had this one when I used to teach English ! just the kind of > things you never find in regular textbooks though it might come in handy > ; vice versa, a guy from NY whom I

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread Madame RD
Le 02/07/10 10:40, eckinator a écrit : 2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola: When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms, Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying "please don't be kind". I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've been abused by professiona

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread eckinator
2010/7/1 Daniel J. Matyola : > > When I post something, I usually say that Comments, Criticisms, > Suggestions and Abuse are all Welcome, which is my way of saying > "please don't be kind".  I spent 5 years in the Marine Corps, so I've > been abused by professionals; it is unlikely  this friendly g

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread eckinator
2010/7/2 Tom C : > On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, P. J. Alling > wrote: > >> So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me.  The sadist answers; >> No. > > Mark! Going by the bumper sticker rationale, not a Mark either, first heard that one in 1985 Cheers Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss M

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-02 Thread Brian Walters
On Thu, 01 Jul 2010 21:15 -0400, "Doug Franklin" wrote: > On 2010-07-01 18:31, Brian Walters wrote: > > > Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images > > comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved. Surely if someone > > post an images and says "comments, sugges

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 1, 2010, at 6:39 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > On 7/1/2010 6:00 PM, eckinator wrote: >> 2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby: >> >>> Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. >>> >>> How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p >>> >> Sure... st

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Tom C
On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 9:39 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: > So the masochist says to the sadist: Hurt me, Hurt Me.  The sadist answers; > No. Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link direct

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 7/1/2010 9:11 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: On 2010-07-01 17:25, Larry Colen wrote: I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating Have you been reading KR's web site again? :-) Oh, please. KR hasn't real

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 7/1/2010 6:31 PM, Brian Walters wrote: On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:00 +0200, "eckinator" wrote: 2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby: Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Sure... sticks a

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 7/1/2010 6:00 PM, eckinator wrote: 2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby: Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =)

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Tom C
I'd say "Bill". Tom C. On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 8:01 PM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/7/2 Larry Colen : >> >> It takes a special kind of person to use "cormorant" as their safe word. > > oh totally but can you envision yourself saying "aperture simulator" > while heading up the creek? > > -- > PDML Pen

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-07-01 18:31, Brian Walters wrote: Back on topic - the debate about 'no holds barred' critiques of images comes up regularly and never seems to get resolved. Surely if someone post an images and says "comments, suggestions, criticisms welcome" (or something similar), we are entitled to t

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-07-01 17:25, Larry Colen wrote: I've seen a few too many examples of people who have just learned that changing aperture would affect the depth of field pontificating Have you been reading KR's web site again? :-) It would be nice if such a group existed, but like most idealistic uto

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread eckinator
2010/7/2 Larry Colen : > > It takes a special kind of person to use "cormorant" as their safe word. oh totally but can you envision yourself saying "aperture simulator" while heading up the creek? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UN

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 1, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: > Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. It takes a special kind of person to use "cormorant" as their safe word. > > How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Why do you think that it

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Brian Walters
On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 00:00 +0200, "eckinator" wrote: > 2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby : > > Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. > > > > How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p > > Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and c

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread eckinator
2010/7/1 Tim Øsleby : > Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. > > How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p Sure... sticks and stones will break my bones but whips and chains excite me =) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.n

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Tim Øsleby
Cormorant could work as a magic stop code, unless the motif is a cormorant. How about S&M as an acronym for people who wants rough critique ;-p -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/7/1 eckinator : > 2010/7/1 Larry Colen : >> >> In any case, I think that such a group would be bet

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread eckinator
2010/7/1 Larry Colen : > > In any case, I think that such a group would be better if it weren't > equipment specific, and that trying to foster that level of open discussion > may not keep the PDML as warm and welcoming to newcomers.  We could try to be > more straightforward when someone asks f

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Doug Franklin wrote: > On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: > >> In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us -- >> especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest >> and a little more critical in our comments on images submit

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-07-01 15:50, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: In any event, this list would be more useful to all of us -- especially the hacks like me -- if we were all a little more honest and a little more critical in our comments on images submitted to the group. I'll agree, if you'll change the word "wou

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I, for one, would appreciate more negative comments on the images I post here. I post PESOs because I know that I'm not a very good photographer and I'm trying to improve. [While others here have hundreds of images accepted by Pentax, they have taken only 13 of the many I submitted, and I know th

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Adam Maas
This is why I post a large picture (no small thumbnails) and any writing below it on my photoblog. Check out the image, read the rest only if you're interested. Note that many photoblogs work this way or simply have large pictures with a short description. -Adam On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:35 AM,

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread P. J. Alling
On 7/1/2010 1:11 PM, Paul Sorenson wrote: Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, although I comment only on a few. From the images I view I get two things that are important to me - a photographic learning experience based on what I like or what I think it would take

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread eckinator
2010/7/1 Larry Colen : > > On Jul 1, 2010, at 5:34 AM, eckinator wrote: > >> 2010/6/30 Larry Colen : >>> >>> It's simple. Your photos suck, but the rest of us rock.  But, we're nice >>> folks, so we let you hang out in the hopes you learn how to use a camera. >> >> My thoughts precisely. Thanks, b

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Paul Sorenson
Like Bob, I try to look at most if not all of the images posted, although I comment only on a few. From the images I view I get two things that are important to me - a photographic learning experience based on what I like or what I think it would take to improve the image, and I can vicariousl

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-07-01 8:35, Tom C wrote: William Robb wrote: Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?" Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? IMO, even that first question is negatively loaded because it's aimed at the photographer, not the image. I agree.

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread eckinator
>>> William Robb wrote: >>> Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?" Context sensitive statement. If I give someone two free punches in a bar fight, it is mockery. If I know someone really well and have my arm around him it is encouragement. I think you are thinking along those lines.

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Tom C
>> William Robb wrote: > >> Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?" >> Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? >> IMO, even that first question is negatively loaded because it's aimed at the photographer, not the image. It implies the photographer is unskil

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Rick Womer
--- On Wed, 6/30/10, William Robb wrote: > ------ > From: "Rick Womer" > Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution > > > Well said, Bill.  I would welcome more > constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. 

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Larry Colen
On Jul 1, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: > > It's always easier to accept honest feedback of others when the photographer > been honest with him/herself about *both* the strengths and weaknesses of > his/her own work. Moreover, the receiver of feedback is not without power > here

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-07-01 Thread Christine Aguila
the photographer has a very clear understanding of what he or she was trying to do in making the photograph--more difficult when the photographer is less clear. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: "William Robb" To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail

RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Malcolm Smith
> William Robb wrote: > Is one allowed to say: "Is this the best you can do?" > Is one allowed to pass on his disappointment in the photographer? > > The Shel fiasco was more or less that. > It may have gotten jacked past that, but my recollection is that it > started > out pretty much that way.

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread William Robb
-- From: "Rick Womer" Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution Well said, Bill. I would welcome more constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called a golden egg

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Whats a verb or two between friends. On 6/30/2010 3:15 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: Shouldn't that /womanly/ lurking... hehe I didnt get that until I re-read what I wrote but. Shouldn't that be? / Shouldn't that be ?/womanly/lurking ?? :-0 ann On 6/30/2010 11:

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread steve harley
On 2010-06-30 13:57 , John Celio wrote: Blog: a frequently-updated website featuring lots of text about whatever topic the blog covers (be it politics, sports, or the author's growing collection of fruit bat stool samples). May include photos, videos or other media, but is mainly text. this is

RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread John Celio
> I much prefer a single link to an image, or a gallery of thumbnails, > as opposed to an image thumbnail surrounded by a lot of text. If you'd taken a look at the links people have provided so far, you'd have noticed that none of them present images as thumbnails, and most of them don't require a

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Larry Colen
On Jun 29, 2010, at 3:06 PM, Rick Womer wrote: > > > "That is an interesting subject, but the photo would be better if you > included the subject's head, had him in focus, and reduced the exposure by 2 > stops or so." Mark -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Ann Sanfedele
P. J. Alling wrote: Shouldn't that /womanly/ lurking... hehe I didnt get that until I re-read what I wrote but. Shouldn't that be? / Shouldn't that be ?/womanly/lurking ?? :-0 ann On 6/30/2010 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is compl

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Tom C wrote: > My main malfunction (on this topic at least) is that I prefer not to > see the text and general confusion I find associated with many > blogs(in general). Fair enough, I just see that as being orthogonal to the mechanism of delivery (e.g. blog vs.

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Tom C
My main malfunction (on this topic at least) is that I prefer not to see the text and general confusion I find associated with many blogs(in general). It wasn't that I wanted to aggregate the contents of blogs all into one spot, or that clicking to see an image is much of a problem, it's more that

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Tom C wrote: > And what about the text blog? I don't understand the question. I thought we were talking about photography. If you subscribe to a blog that's mostly textual, the text appears in your feed reader. (Some blogs publish the whole text of each post t

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Tom C
And what about the text blog? On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Matthew Hunt wrote: > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Tom C wrote: > >> The blog though, makes me click on the link and see the text of the >> blog. > > No, that's the whole point of a feed reader.  To aggregate the text > and photo

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Tom C wrote: > The blog though, makes me click on the link and see the text of the > blog. No, that's the whole point of a feed reader. To aggregate the text and photos from any number of blogs and other sources into one place. If someone posts a PESO on the li

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Tom C
Well I find it pretty easy to filter the PDML noise. If the subject line doesn't interest me I delete it. The blog though, makes me click on the link and see the text of the blog. I'm not making a big deal of it, I just overall am not enamored with the whole blog concept, twitter, Facebook, etc.

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Bruce Dayton wrote: > Well Tom, you have worded my feelings exactly.  Blogging and twitter just > seem like so > much information I don't want to hear about.  I don't have enough time as it > is to want to > sift through all the 'noise' to find the few tidbits

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Tom C
And just to circle back... :-) If you (the royal you) want me to look at an image, I'd prefer it to be introduced as a list post as opposed to imbedded in a blog. My personal preference of course. Tom On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: > Tom C wrote: >> >> I confess having som

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread P N Stenquist
A large part of my daily work consists of writing blog entries for various clients. Don't plan on doing more of that for entertainment. PESOs are fine by me. Paul On Jun 30, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (incl

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Doug Brewer
Tom C wrote: I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find

RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Bruce Dayton
nt: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 8:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 11:35:28AM -0400, Tom C wrote: > I confess having some difficulty with blogs. > . . . > And finally maybe, somewhat rudely, but not intended so, I find a blog > a bit akin to watching someone's home movies. They tend to mean much > more to the creator than to the audience .

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread P. J. Alling
Shouldn't that /womanly/ lurking... On 6/30/2010 11:16 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafu

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Tom C
I confess having some difficulty with blogs. I wasn't going to say it, but since you broached it. I don't really want to do all the reading that a blog presumes I do, and I don't like clicking on the inevitable thumbnail in the blog to get to the larger version of an image. I find most blogs pres

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Ann Sanfedele
I'm manly lurking... real life at the moment is complicated enough... (including a dead keyboard for a bit) but I'm hopping on to second Doug Franklin's approach... having been around in the days of Shel, Dobo, Mafud and the like when nastiness took up too much space . I prefer email from the

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-30 Thread Rob Studdert
On 30/06/2010, eckinator wrote: > This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten > times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the > etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I > rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Christine Aguila
- Original Message - From: "Doug Brewer" It's all so complicated, and I don't have the answers. I would like to keep the list from becoming a flickr group, where every photo is wonderful, but I would also like a more serious level of criticism without the nastiness and personal att

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
I read Doug Brewer's comments, and Bill Robb's, and Doug Franklin's. Lots of what each of them said makes good sense to me. The pictures I post here are often not the greatest, but are current/topical. I'm sorry my standards are so low. I look at almost every picture posted or linked to here. I pr

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-06-29 20:58, William Robb wrote: He was, IIRC, commenting on a very bland photo that was well below the level that the photographer was capable of, and Shel told him that, almost to the letter. And all of a sudden people started throwing poo at him. And that's the main reason that I o

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread paul stenquist
are never fruitful in any discussion. Paul On Jun 29, 2010, at 8:58 PM, William Robb wrote: > > -- > From: "Doug Brewer" > Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution > > >> That was the big issue with

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-06-29 19:39, eckinator wrote: We all have the power to change this - why doesn't everyone who invites and encourages such criticism say so in their posts? In many ways, this is analogous to The Tragedy of the Commons. I can be all sweetness and light, but I can do /nothing/ /else/ to

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Rick Womer
Well said, Bill. I would welcome more constructive commentary, as long as it is respectful. That doesn't mean that a pile of dogshit is called a golden egg, it just means that you don't call =the photographer= a pile of dogshit. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Tue, 6/29/10, Willi

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread William Robb
-- From: "Doug Brewer" Subject: Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution That was the big issue with Shel. It wasn't that he was harsh, but that he thought his way was the only way. Whatever one thinks of Shel (and I'm p

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread David Parsons
How about adding to the PESO subject and use something like PESO-Crit to indicate that the poster is looking for critique on the picture(s) contained, and PESO will be for pictures that are shared for enjoyment. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 7:39 PM, eckinator wrote: > 2010/6/30 Doug Brewer : >> >> wou

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/30 Doug Brewer : > > would also like a more serious level of criticism without the nastiness and > personal attacks. We all have the power to change this - why doesn't everyone who invites and encourages such criticism say so in their posts? How about a nice acronym? I suggest "P.dml'ers EN

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Brewer
eckinator wrote: 2010/6/29 John Celio : I don't post PESOs very often because I pretty much lurk here all the time. It doesn't seem fair to ask people for comments on my photos when I almost never comment on anyone else's. This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten t

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
Yo mama's so big, she's livin' large =) 2010/6/30 Tim Øsleby : > It was, until you turned up :p > > -- > MaritimTim > > http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ > > > > 2010/6/30 P. J. Alling : >> I thought it was an open invitation. >> >> On 6/29/2010 6:33 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: >>> >>> You're not Doug are

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
It was, until you turned up :p -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/30 P. J. Alling : > I thought it was an open invitation. > > On 6/29/2010 6:33 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: >> >> You're not Doug are you? >> >> -- >> MaritimTim >> >> http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> 2010/

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
I thought it was an open invitation. On 6/29/2010 6:33 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: You're not Doug are you? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/30 P. J. Alling: You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. :-P On 6/29/2010 5:22 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I can see why y

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
You're not Doug are you? -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/30 P. J. Alling : > You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. :-P > > On 6/29/2010 5:22 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: >> >> I can see why you do Doug. >> But don't you think others could learn from those "honest" commen

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
OK no sick Ledger jokes... now /I/ feel better =) 2010/6/30 P. J. Alling : > Heath, health, health.  There now I feel better. > > On 6/29/2010 6:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: >> >> He has heath issues. >> >> On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: >>> >>> What happened to Shel? >>> His comments could

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
Heath, health, health. There now I feel better. On 6/29/2010 6:14 PM, P. J. Alling wrote: He has heath issues. On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: What happened to Shel? His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/29 Malco

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
You're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. :-P On 6/29/2010 5:22 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: I can see why you do Doug. But don't you think others could learn from those "honest" comments? In other words: Please feel free to criticise me in public. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread P. J. Alling
He has heath issues. On 6/29/2010 5:18 PM, Tim Øsleby wrote: What happened to Shel? His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith: Hi Ecke, This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply ab

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Rick Womer
--- On Tue, 6/29/10, Doug Franklin wrote: > I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to > criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do it > privately by direct email. It's all in how it's done. Incorrect: "That photo is a steaming dungheap so foul that even flies avoid it." Corr

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-06-29 17:22, Tim Øsleby wrote: I can see why you do Doug. But don't you think others could learn from those "honest" comments? Yes, learning can surely occur in these situations, with some caveats (lots of open minds, civility by all parties, ...). Unfortunately, I've seen it devolve

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
I can see why you do Doug. But don't you think others could learn from those "honest" comments? In other words: Please feel free to criticise me in public. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/29 Doug Franklin : > On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: > >> In a nutshell I woul

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 Doug Franklin : > > I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a > little, I'll typically do it privately by direct email. Whenever you see fit in my case, please by all means do. Thanks Ecke -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Doug Franklin
On 2010-06-29 16:15, eckinator wrote: In a nutshell I would love for the etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work[...] I'll praise a photo in public, but if I'm going to criticize it more than a little, I'll typically do

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Tim Øsleby
What happened to Shel? His comments could be hard to take, but I miss them. -- MaritimTim http://maritimtim.blogspot.com/ 2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith : > Hi Ecke, > >> This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten >> times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
I hear you Malcolm, ty for letting me know. Too bad though... Ecke 2010/6/29 Malcolm Smith : > Hi Ecke, > >> This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten >> times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the >> etiquette of this list to make room for more critic

RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread Malcolm Smith
Hi Ecke, > This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten > times and deleted it again. In a nutshell I would love for the > etiquette of this list to make room for more critical comments, I > rarely see anyone saying an image doesn't work but I do see an > enormous differenc

Re: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread eckinator
2010/6/29 John Celio : > > I don't post PESOs very often because I pretty much lurk here all the > time.  It doesn't seem fair to ask people for comments on my photos when > I almost never comment on anyone else's. This is something currently on my mind. I wrote this reply about ten times and dele

RE: Feed Us Your Photoblog--The Solution

2010-06-29 Thread John Celio
> It can be hard to keep up with the PDML. How is one supposed > to check each of umpteen photo blogs every day to see if > they've been updated? Rick, the whole idea of an RSS reader is to collect all the blogs (and other frequently-updated sites) you read into one central location. I follow doz