Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: ERic - do you have the K-5? or above? I shoot a lot of my ebay stuff in mixed fluor and daylight from window and start with AWB - examine the pic and press WB to get the choices to come up, then move the settings around

Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:26 PM, John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: You can use the white-balance eye-dropper tool to color correct the photo that has the gray card in it then synchronize the rest of the images taken in the same light to that first one. I’ll probably be asking for help with

Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 26, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: Under florescent lighting the colour changes as Godfrey suggests but to take it a little further the problem occurs mainly at shutter speeds shorter than a half cycle of the local mains frequency in the case of

Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On May 1, 2014, at 9:05 PM, Bill anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: In difficult light, I just point the camera at a white paper towel and take a custom WB reading off of it. That seems accurate enough. Thanks, Bill.

Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On May 2, 2014, at 12:35 AM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: As the number of cycles covered by an exposure increases so does the colour stability, it's exposure periods of under a full half cycle of the mains that leads to significant colour shift problems. Thanks, Rob. However,

Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On May 2, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: In Lightroom, if you select a bunch of photos and turn on auto synch any change you make in one photo will be applied to others. So you have one photo with a white balance card in it, and then a bunch of other photos

Re: White balance

2014-05-08 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: White balance has to do with matching the colour response of your editing software with the colour temperature of the dominant light source in your scene. You need to know that the usual light source suspects all give

Re: White balance

2014-05-02 Thread Bruce Walker
The fluorescent colour problems don't exist with CFLs or newer electronic ballast fixtures. Between longer persistence phosphor and the high switching frequency, the light output is stable. CFLs are used a lot in video and still studio lighting. This issue is probably seen with old-school

Re: White balance

2014-05-02 Thread John
What are you clicking on with the WB dropper how does it work if that item isn't in every frame? On 5/2/2014 12:06 AM, Bryan Jacoby wrote: I just confirmed that in Lightroom (4) even if two frames shot with AWB have different temperature and tint you can batch adjust them with the WB

Re: White balance

2014-05-02 Thread Bryan Jacoby
In Lightroom, if you select a bunch of photos and turn on auto synch any change you make in one photo will be applied to others. So you have one photo with a white balance card in it, and then a bunch of other photos taken under the same lighting but without the white balance card (unless you

Re: White balance

2014-05-01 Thread Bill
On 30/04/2014 3:14 PM, Eric Weir wrote: On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: ERic - do you have the K-5? or above? I shoot a lot of my ebay stuff in mixed fluor and daylight from window and start with AWB - examine the pic and press WB to get the choices to

Re: White balance

2014-05-01 Thread Bryan Jacoby
I just confirmed that in Lightroom (4) even if two frames shot with AWB have different temperature and tint you can batch adjust them with the WB eyedropper and they will end up the same. So no reason to fear AWB. It's worth repeating that any shutter speeds that don't take in an integer number

Re: White balance

2014-05-01 Thread Rob Studdert
On 2 May 2014 14:06, Bryan Jacoby bryan.jac...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth repeating that any shutter speeds that don't take in an integer number of florescent color shift cycles will be tough to correct with a neutral reference (grey card, color checker, etc.) from a different frame. As the

Re: White balance

2014-04-30 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: ERic - do you have the K-5? or above? I shoot a lot of my ebay stuff in mixed fluor and daylight from window and start with AWB - examine the pic and press WB to get the choices to come up, then move the settings around

Re: White balance

2014-04-30 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 11:26 PM, John jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: What white balance do you have your camera set to? In many ways it doesn't matter which one you choose as long as you choose a specific one and *NOT* auto white balance. Auto white balance in the camera will change the white

Re: White balance

2014-04-30 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
AWB will evaluate and adjust the wb setting each time an exposure is made. They means if you're shooting a lot of exposures around a variety of subtly different light conditions, each will vary a little bit from the others. Each frame needs to be adjusted individually. Setting any fixed WB

Re: White balance

2014-04-30 Thread Bryan Jacoby
I don't have Lightroom in front of me to test it out, but doesn't selecting a bunch of photos and using the white balance eyedropper set all of the photos to the same temperature and tint (versus the same _change_ to temperature and tint), which means that it will cause no headaches if AWB was

Re: White balance

2014-04-30 Thread David Parsons
Changes in colors in the frame will affect the AWB algorithm as well. Move the camera a little bit and some more red is now in the frame and the WB calculations change. Move the other way, and now there is more green in the shot. etc. On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi

Re: White balance

2014-04-30 Thread Ann Sanfedele
It's a nice feature I kinda found by accident... the only thing is to remember to put the setting back to AWB when you finish what you are doing :-) ann On 4/30/2014 17:14, Eric Weir wrote: On Apr 25, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: ERic - do you have the K-5? or

Re: White balance

2014-04-26 Thread Rob Studdert
Under florescent lighting the colour changes as Godfrey suggests but to take it a little further the problem occurs mainly at shutter speeds shorter than a half cycle of the local mains frequency in the case of conventionally driven florescent lighting. CFLs and some new batons with electronic

Re: White balance

2014-04-26 Thread Zos Xavius
Yeah, a grey card isn't the best solution ever, but it sure beats hoping that the white shirt you are trying to get a WB reading off of is really a good white and won't color cast the picture itself. In desperation it works better than nothing, but a grey card will at least give you a mostly

Re: White balance

2014-04-26 Thread Zos Xavius
FWIW, I must say that I rarely use a grey card and find that the AWB is pretty good in camera. If I have to wing it, I'll try looking for neutral spots with the WB tool. Usually that gets me close enough to where I can manually adjust it to decent skin tones at least. On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:46

Re: White balance

2014-04-26 Thread Bruce Walker
On Sat, Apr 26, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Zos Xavius zosxav...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW, I must say that I rarely use a grey card and find that the AWB is pretty good in camera. If I have to wing it, I'll try looking for neutral spots with the WB tool. Usually that gets me close enough to where I can

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
White balance under mixed fluorescent and daylight is very tricky … it's constantly changing as the fluorescents cycle 60 times a second, never mind how the daylight might be changing as well due to passing clouds, etc. The AWB setting is constantly trying to match what it sees and determine a

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godfreydigio...@me.com wrote: If I'm going to be doing a lot of shooting in mixed daylight and fluorescent illumination, I lock the camera's white balance to some arbitrary color temperature and shoot a few sample frames of a Color Checker

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Eric Weir
On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: what' said Damn spellcheck! Screws up perfectly normal hyphenation a every time. Needless to say, shoulda been what's a. Regards, Eric Weir -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Zos Xavius
A gray card is your friend here. On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: On Apr 25, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Eric Weir eew...@bellsouth.net wrote: what' said Damn spellcheck! Screws up perfectly normal hyphenation a every time. Needless to say, shoulda been what's

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Bruce Walker
White balance has to do with matching the colour response of your editing software with the colour temperature of the dominant light source in your scene. You need to know that the usual light source suspects all give off light of different hues, based on their native colour temperature. For

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
A gray card gives your camera or the white balance tool in LR a single point of reference to adjust the RGB mix to a neutral balance. But flourescents are not continuous spectrum light and a single point reference is not enough to fully correct color crossovers. The use of a Color Checker and

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread Ann Sanfedele
ERic - do you have the K-5? or above? I shoot a lot of my ebay stuff in mixed fluor and daylight from window and start with AWB - examine the pic and press WB to get the choices to come up, then move the settings around til the screen looks like what I see myself.. it isn't always spot on but

Re: White balance

2014-04-25 Thread John
What white balance do you have your camera set to? In many ways it doesn't matter which one you choose as long as you choose a specific one and *NOT* auto white balance. Auto white balance in the camera will change the white balance for every image. If you choose a specific white balance,

Re: white balance in PSEL 9

2011-03-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:04 PM, David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: You adjust it in the Camera RAW module, not in Elements per se. These are jpgs from a converted Canon G3. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshopelements/using/WSDE17BC1A-EEBF-4118-B815-88C1F4D45DBB_WIN.html BTW, have

Re: white balance in PSEL 9

2011-03-04 Thread David J Brooks
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 8:12 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 07:50:58PM -0500, David J Brooks wrote: I have done a few searches on this, but not finding what i hope i would. In LR and i think in real PS, there is a WB selector that you can walk around the photo

Re: white balance in PSEL 9

2011-03-03 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 07:50:58PM -0500, David J Brooks wrote: I have done a few searches on this, but not finding what i hope i would. In LR and i think in real PS, there is a WB selector that you can walk around the photo to adjust the WB. I don't see one of these in EL 9. Is there one.

Re: white balance in PSEL 9

2011-03-03 Thread David Parsons
You adjust it in the Camera RAW module, not in Elements per se. http://help.adobe.com/en_US/photoshopelements/using/WSDE17BC1A-EEBF-4118-B815-88C1F4D45DBB_WIN.html BTW, have you tried swapping the red and blue channels for your IR shots? It works great for making the sky blue with minimal

Re: white balance in PSEL 9

2011-03-03 Thread Paul Sorenson
Yup - works that way in PSE9, too. -p On 3/3/2011 7:12 PM, John Francis wrote: On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 07:50:58PM -0500, David J Brooks wrote: I have done a few searches on this, but not finding what i hope i would. In LR and i think in real PS, there is a WB selector that you can walk

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-03 Thread mike wilson
Dario Bonazza wrote: K-7 manual, page 192: Mark! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-03 Thread Boris Liberman
Yes indeed. Apparently I wasn't sufficiently thorough :-). Corrected that little bugger :-). There is another interesting option on the same menu page. It says how WB behaves when flash is attached. Default is - AWB. Boris On 12/3/2010 1:04 AM, Miserere wrote: I think you might be

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-02 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, This is the issue: http://shutterfinger.typepad.com/shutterfinger/2010/08/automation-strikes-again.html Igor might want to run a test similar to Gordon's to make sure his camera is fine, but I suspect it is. This is simply a case of Pentax trying

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-02 Thread Miserere
I think you might be unpleasantly surprised :-D On 02/12/2010, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 12/1/2010 10:01 PM, Miserere wrote: Boris, This is the issue: http://shutterfinger.typepad.com/shutterfinger/2010/08/automation-strikes-again.html Igor might want to run a test

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 11/30/2010 5:42 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Bob and Boris: I usually shoot with AWB (and RAW), but this time I fixed it the WB to minimize necessity for corrections, as the light was very consistent and the flash was not allowed at all. Igor, is it at all possible then to have you make a

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-01 Thread Dario Bonazza
Boris Liberman wrote: On 11/30/2010 5:42 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Bob and Boris: I usually shoot with AWB (and RAW), but this time I fixed it the WB to minimize necessity for corrections, as the light was very consistent and the flash was not allowed at all. Igor, is it at all possible then

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-01 Thread Boris Liberman
On 12/1/2010 11:05 AM, Dario Bonazza wrote: Uh? Why do you suppose Igor's camera to be broken when Igor himself agreed on my suggestion to just change the set WB from go where you like (Pentax default) to fixed? Let's wait and see if such a menu setting is enough to solve the problem. Dario

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-12-01 Thread Miserere
On 1 December 2010 03:57, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/30/2010 5:42 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Bob and Boris: I usually shoot with AWB (and RAW), but this time I fixed it the WB to minimize necessity for corrections, as the light was very consistent and the flash was not

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-30 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Nov 29, 2010, at 23:15 , Dario Bonazza wrote: Strong means the camera compensates for the warm cast, perfoming a white-balanced (neutral) shot. The default is strong which looking at the proof sheet of the dancers submitted is what the camera tried to do on some of the shots, leaving the

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-30 Thread Boris Liberman
Igor, On 11/29/2010 5:39 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Has anybody experienced anything of this sort? What could be the reason (besides some malfunction of the camera)? I will have to look in my collection but I am fairly certain that all three cameras I've been shooting with (*istD, K10D, K-7)

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-30 Thread Igor Roshchin
Mon Nov 29 16:00:51 CST 2010 Dario Bonazza wrote: Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:46, Dario Bonazza wrote: Is [11. WB Adjustable Range] in the [C Custom Setting 2] menu set to [Fixed]? If not, that could explain that behaviour. Don't ask me why one should select

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-30 Thread Margus Männik
Hi, I've experienced the same problem and it seems that Tungsten WB is not fixed WB setting. Instead, it tries to adopt to lighting conditions. Shooting JPEG, try fixed K value instead - for me it have been worked fine. Of course, RAW would be the best (but a bit more time-consuming)

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-30 Thread Dario Bonazza
Margus Männik wrote: I've experienced the same problem and it seems that Tungsten WB is not fixed WB setting. Instead, it tries to adopt to lighting conditions. Shooting JPEG, try fixed K value instead - for me it have been worked fine. Of course, RAW would be the best (but a bit more

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread P N Stenquist
On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Hi All, While shooting an argentine tango performance over the weekend I set the WB of my K-7 to Tungsten light. I was surprised to see that while ~80% of shots were with about the right color, some considerable number of shots had a

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Igor Roshchin
Mon Nov 29 09:52:30 CST 2010 P N Stenquist wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Hi All, While shooting an argentine tango performance over the weekend I set the WB of my K-7 to Tungsten light. I was surprised to see that while ~80% of shots were with about

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread P N Stenquist
On Nov 29, 2010, at 1:57 PM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Mon Nov 29 09:52:30 CST 2010 P N Stenquist wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Igor Roshchin wrote: Hi All, While shooting an argentine tango performance over the weekend I set the WB of my K-7 to Tungsten light. I was

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
Shooting RAW and AWB I know the colors will shade differently in the same light as composition changes. The Synch function in lightroom is your friend in such cases. Regards, Bob S. On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Igor Roshchin s...@komkon.org wrote: Mon Nov 29 09:52:30 CST 2010 P N

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Christine Nielsen
I have experienced the same thing with my k-7! Here is an example: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028...@n04/sets/72157625120080220/ Two photos, same subject framing, same WB, exposure settings. Correctable in post, but, still odd. -c On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Igor Roshchin

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Bob Sullivan
I wonder if some of this isn't connected to flourescent lighting and the new energy efficient bulbs that are replacing incandescents. I wonder if these bulbs flicker at a 60 cycle per second rate and deliver different color temperatures in different parts of the cycle. Regards, Bob S. On Mon,

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:38, Bob Sullivan wrote: I wonder if some of this isn't connected to flourescent lighting and the new energy efficient bulbs that are replacing incandescents. I wonder if these bulbs flicker at a 60 cycle per second rate and deliver different color temperatures in

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Igor Roshchin wrote While shooting an argentine tango performance over the weekend I set the WB of my K-7 to Tungsten light. I was surprised to see that while ~80% of shots were with about the right color, some considerable number of shots had a distinctive. It was not as red as it would have

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:46, Dario Bonazza wrote: Is [11. WB Adjustable Range] in the [C Custom Setting 2] menu set to [Fixed]? If not, that could explain that behaviour. Don't ask me why one should select a given white balance and then allow the camera to change it, but Pentax thinks of

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Mark Roberts
Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:38, Bob Sullivan wrote: I wonder if some of this isn't connected to flourescent lighting and the new energy efficient bulbs that are replacing incandescents. I wonder if these bulbs flicker at a 60 cycle per second rate and deliver different

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:46, Dario Bonazza wrote: Is [11. WB Adjustable Range] in the [C Custom Setting 2] menu set to [Fixed]? If not, that could explain that behaviour. Don't ask me why one should select a given white balance and then allow the camera to change it,

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
I wrote: it looks a lot like that mad idea of allowing you to select SEL for AF points selector and then reverting back to auto select, which was the behaviour of the AF selector before a firmware fix. Please read it as: it looks a lot like that mad idea of allowing you to set the AF points

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Charles Robinson
On Nov 29, 2010, at 16:00, Dario Bonazza wrote: Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:46, Dario Bonazza wrote: Is [11. WB Adjustable Range] in the [C Custom Setting 2] menu set to [Fixed]? If not, that could explain that behaviour. Don't ask me why one should select a given

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:24 , Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 16:00, Dario Bonazza wrote: Charles Robinson wrote: On Nov 29, 2010, at 14:46, Dario Bonazza wrote: Is [11. WB Adjustable Range] in the [C Custom Setting 2] menu set to [Fixed]? If not, that could explain that

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Miserere
I'm pretty sure it's what Dario is saying. When I received the K-5 last week the first thing I did was go through the Custom menu and change stuff like this. I don't understand why the default setting is to allow the camera to change WB when on AutoWB, but it is. On 29/11/2010, Dario Bonazza

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread John Sessoms
From: Igor Roshchin Yes, that could do it in principle, but it doesn't make sense in the current situation. Since I _fixed_ the WB to a particular setting, very slight changes shouldn't affect the WB. To better illustrate what I observe, - let me show you this image:

Re: White Balance on K-7

2010-11-29 Thread Dario Bonazza
Joseph McAllister wrote: B. Custom 12) Subtle or Strong variations in AWB or fixed should definitely be on Subtle to prevent the very wrong shift in your photos. No, that's another solution, for a problem other than the one we are discussing here and, in case, it's the other way round. That

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
I prefer a grey card. I like to think they are more accurate plus they provide me an 18% exposure readout which the caps don't do. Also, I kind of assume they have limitations depending on where you point your camera. Further to that I've seen those caps sold from as low as € 1.99 (eBay) to as

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Maas
A couple things to remember: 1. Grey cards aren't always neutral. The Kodak ones in particular are somewhat warm. 2. Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO standard). Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel Adams suggestion). Thus grey cards do not actually

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread eckinator
2010/6/8 Adam Maas a...@mawz.ca: A couple things to remember: 1. Grey cards aren't always neutral. The Kodak ones in particular are somewhat warm. 2. Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO standard). Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel Adams

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread CheekyGeek
Oops. I'm apparently sending Rich Text messages to this list again. RESEN On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:17 PM, eckinator eckina...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC there is a way to correct this in LR. Of course you can correct it. The idea of using the white balance cap shot is so you don't have to. : )

RE: White Balance Lens Cap [Scanned][Spam score:8%]

2010-06-08 Thread John Whittingham
...@pdml.net [pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Adam Maas [a...@mawz.ca] Sent: 08 June 2010 17:14 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: White Balance Lens Cap [Scanned][Spam score:8%] A couple things to remember: 1. Grey cards aren't always neutral. The Kodak ones in particular are somewhat warm

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Mark Roberts
Adam Maas wrote: Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO standard). I believe it's ANSI standard ANSI PH3.49-1971 As far as I know it hasn't been made into an ISO standard. Did I miss it? Cards are calibrated to 18% grey (Kodak's choice at Ansel Adams suggestion). Thus grey

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Adam Maas
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:27 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Your meter is calibrated for approximately 12.5% grey (ISO standard). I believe it's ANSI standard ANSI PH3.49-1971 As far as I know it hasn't been made into an ISO standard. Did I miss it? ISO

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread David Parsons
A frosted Pringles cap or coffee can lid works exactly the same. Perrsonally, I'll take my WB off a sheet of white paper when I have to set a custom WB. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't heard of these.  Has anyone tried them and, if so, do

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread David J Brooks
I have a 77mm Expo disk if thats what you are referring to. I used it for two years on my equine work. Worked well. Dave On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I hadn't heard of these.  Has anyone tried them and, if so, do they work? -- Steve Desjardins

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread Larry Colen
I picked one up, and never use it. The thing I liked the best was a plastic greycard about the size of a business card. Unfortunately, mine went awol, and I need to get another. I wish I could get business card stock in neutral grey and print my business cards on it, so that I'd always have

Re: White Balance Lens Cap

2010-06-08 Thread David Parsons
You should be able to get cards and stickers from any printer (any printer worth their salt would be able to do this). It's a pretty good idea really. There is a printer across the street from me, I'll go over tomorrow and ask what it would cost for a set. More than VistaPrint for sure. :) On

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-23 Thread David J Brooks
- From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: White Balance Problem Bill, just to side track a tad, Have you tried the expo disk. I was shooting in the some what bad indoor horse place today. I had the older arena, with higher, plastic covered windows on the South, East and West

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-23 Thread David Savage
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:19 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a link to what i shot today. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rcra22/index.htm Used the expo disk. Alot of bright and darker shots, but these will be workable should sales arize Dave Dave this smile

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-23 Thread David J Brooks
On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 6:51 AM, David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 23, 2008 at 7:19 PM, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a link to what i shot today. http://www.caughtinmotion.com/2008-rcra22/index.htm Used the expo disk. Alot of bright and

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-22 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks for that. Dave On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting thread! A few things I like to contribute: * No machine can fully compete with the AWB in our brains. A person sitting under a green sunshade might get a greenish skin

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-22 Thread David J Brooks
Bill, just to side track a tad, Have you tried the expo disk. I was shooting in the some what bad indoor horse place today. I had the older arena, with higher, plastic covered windows on the South, East and West side. As this was dressage, were they are all over the arena, i decided to go with a

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-22 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: David J Brooks Subject: Re: White Balance Problem Bill, just to side track a tad, Have you tried the expo disk. I was shooting in the some what bad indoor horse place today. I had the older arena, with higher, plastic covered windows on the South, East

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-21 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: White Balance Problem wendy beard wrote: With the faster shutter speed you are seeing the change between different banks of lights - hence the apparent split lighting on each frame. If I understand the way the fluorescent

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-21 Thread Christine Aguila
LOL! But seriously, this did help clarify matters a bit for me. So, thanks. Cheers, Christine - Original Message - From: Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] You're asking a two year old to interpret Kafka when you set the camera to AWB. -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-21 Thread Jos from Holland
Interesting thread! A few things I like to contribute: * No machine can fully compete with the AWB in our brains. A person sitting under a green sunshade might get a greenish skin colour, our brain knows about this effect and corrects for it. The greenish skin colour might

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
Good points, Jos. And a clear explanation of what's going on with fluorescent lights. Paul On Mar 21, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Jos from Holland wrote: Interesting thread! A few things I like to contribute: * No machine can fully compete with the AWB in our brains. A person sitting

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread pnstenquist
I don't know what's causing that, but I've seen a bit of it as well. It happened to me in a room with mixed fluorescent and tungsten lighting. Only once have I seen it change from one shot to the next. I expect it will go away with the first firmware update. Paul -- Original

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I've seen shifts like that whenever I'm working in conditions where there is flourescent lighting, with any camera. The cycling of fourescent lights is what's to blame, in my opinion. They only hold a particular color temperature for a fraction of a second, their color temperature is only

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread David Savage
I just put it down to the nature af AWB. I've had similar situations with all my DSLR's. Cheers, Dave On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 11:30 PM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned a few days ago that I had some problems with the white balance on the K20. If some technically minded

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 20, 2008, at 9:44, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I've seen shifts like that whenever I'm working in conditions where there is flourescent lighting, with any camera. The cycling of fourescent lights is what's to blame, in my opinion. They only hold a particular color temperature for a

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: White Balance Problem Not that it will help you catch a moving dog, but... if you have access to that room again and want to shoot a series of shots at something closer to 1/30 second, you might find that the WB is a lot

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread Charles Robinson
On Mar 20, 2008, at 10:33, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: White Balance Problem Not that it will help you catch a moving dog, but... if you have access to that room again and want to shoot a series of shots at something closer to 1

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread David J Brooks
I have experience similar, other than the second last one. I think its the AWB and the type of lighting in the room. Dave On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 10:30 AM, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I mentioned a few days ago that I had some problems with the white balance on the K20. If some

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread Doug Franklin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know what's causing that, but I've seen a bit of it as well. It happened to me in a room with mixed fluorescent and tungsten lighting. Only once have I seen it change from one shot to the next. I expect it will go away with the first firmware update. I've

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Charles Robinson Subject: Re: White Balance Problem I think you meant LONGER exposure time, right? Just checking to see if you are paying attention William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread William Robb
- Original Message - From: Doug Franklin Subject: Re: White Balance Problem My guess is that those differences in content are what make it pick different WBs in a situation like this. Thanks Doug. The one thing that I do find both interesting and kind of disturbing, is that I

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread Doug Franklin
William Robb wrote: The one thing that I do find both interesting and kind of disturbing, is that I can't bring the badly balanced shots into something resembling good WB. It's almost as if the sensor has failed to pass on some of the colour data to the file. This sequence was shot in RAW,

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread pnstenquist
Interesting. That's a very logical explananation. I suspect I've seen it a lot more than i realize. I may just correct it in conversion without giving it much thought. Because if this shift occurs with the kind of regularity others have suggessted, I must have seen quite a bit of it in 30,000

Re: White Balance Problem

2008-03-20 Thread Doug Franklin
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. That's a very logical explananation. I suspect I've seen it a lot more than i realize. I may just correct it in conversion without giving it much thought. Because if this shift occurs with the kind of regularity others have suggessted, I must have seen

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