Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/4/2011 22:02, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: The OK button of my, or rather Michael's, K10D has stopped working. Just got the cost estimate for the repair: 310,45 euros! My DS gave up after 4 years (rear thumbwheel erratic, repair too expensive), the K10D, 4 1/2 years old, is now beyond

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 April 2011 17:56, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: I cannot possibly disagree that QC does not appear improving over the years, but then so does the complexity of the cameras. I don't think you could outright deny that other manufacturers are completely trouble free too. Yet I

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/5/2011 11:06, Rob Studdert wrote: Where this argument falls flat is that the vast majority of the problems reported, ie wonky mirrors, sticky buttons, failing rotary actuators, motors/gears/clutches in lenses, spots on sensors are all generally of mechanical nature. None of these issues are

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: But I certainly agree that things such as buttons or control wheels all should function 120% perfect. ...which they patently don't. The troubles aren't with 100% mirrors or other complex features but with the most basic knobs and buttons. Their trigger

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/5/2011 11:37, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: ...which they patently don't. The troubles aren't with 100% mirrors or other complex features but with the most basic knobs and buttons. Their trigger button problems go back as far as my Program A and P50 of... well... when? 20 years ago or is it

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 5, 2011, at 2:58 AM, Boris Liberman wrote: On 4/5/2011 11:37, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote: ...which they patently don't. The troubles aren't with 100% mirrors or other complex features but with the most basic knobs and buttons. Their trigger button problems go back as far as my

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread eckinator
Most of the problems I've had were with a piece of equipment made slightly over 50 years ago, and came without a warranty. one that can be made in minutes by cheap unskilled labor? well what do you expect? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 5, 2011, at 3:49 AM, eckinator wrote: Most of the problems I've had were with a piece of equipment made slightly over 50 years ago, and came without a warranty. one that can be made in minutes by cheap unskilled labor? By my calculations it was about 380,000 minutes, though only

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread eckinator
2011/4/5 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: By my calculations it was about 380,000 minutes, though only about the last day of the process is usually referred to as labor.  I do expect that while the initial assembly likely took less than an hour, the technicians involved may object to the term

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 5, 2011, at 4:14 AM, eckinator wrote: 2011/4/5 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com: By my calculations it was about 380,000 minutes, though only about the last day of the process is usually referred to as labor. I do expect that while the initial assembly likely took less than an hour,

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-05 Thread steve harley
On 2011-04-05 05:09 , Larry Colen wrote: By my calculations it was about 380,000 minutes, though only about the last day of the process is usually referred to as labor. I do expect that while the initial assembly likely took less than an hour, the technicians involved may object to the term

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
The sensor unit in my DS went bad after about 5 years. OTOH, my early adopter *ist D is still going. I sold my K10D after about 3 years to get the K7, so my experience with long term DSLRs is 50% 2011/4/4 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: The OK button of my, or rather Michael's, K10D has

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread P. J. Alling
When the thumbwheel on my DS became erratic, I simply sprayed it with some Radioshack lubricating tuner cleaner.I figured what the hell. It's already broken. It's worked fine ever since. I don't think that will work on a K!0D what with the weather sealing but it might work. On 4/4/2011

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread David J Brooks
2011/4/4 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: The OK button of my, or rather Michael's, K10D has stopped working. Just got the cost estimate for the repair: 310,45 euros! My DS gave up after 4 years (rear thumbwheel erratic, repair too expensive), the K10D, 4 1/2 years old, is now beyond

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
2011/4/4 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: The OK button of my, or rather Michael's, K10D has stopped working. Just got the cost estimate for the repair: 310,45 euros! My DS gave up after 4 years (rear thumbwheel erratic, repair too expensive), the K10D, 4 1/2 years old, is now beyond

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
P. J. Alling webstertwenty...@gmail.com wrote: When the thumbwheel on my DS became erratic, I simply sprayed it with some Radioshack lubricating tuner cleaner. I've done the same but many people will never know of this option. I suppose a number of DS have already been binned. Ralf -- Ralf

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread Igor Roshchin
... and have yet to experience a failure of any kind. Perhaps it is bad luck.. Mark! :-) Igor Mon Apr 4 16:29:23 CDT 2011 Paul Stenquist wrote: I hate to repeat myself, but I've owned six Pentax DSLRs, with well over 100,000 exposures total and have yet to experience a failure of any

Re: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread Larry Colen
On Apr 4, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: 2011/4/4 Ralf R. Radermacher fotor...@gmx.de: The OK button of my, or rather Michael's, K10D has stopped working. Just got the cost estimate for the repair: 310,45 euros! My DS gave up after 4 years (rear thumbwheel erratic, repair too

RE: More Pentax quality grief

2011-04-04 Thread John Coyle
My *ist-D (2004) has only one problem, the review won't go to magnifying more than 1.2 fold, other than that everything is perfect. My MZ-S had a CLA last year, the first since I bought it in ?2001?, when it failed to switch on, otherwise everything works as designed. My SV is like a Swiss