Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-19 Thread David J Brooks
Very nice indeed Dave On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot.

Re: Street is on

2013-05-19 Thread Bruce Walker
Congratulations, Derby. Well done! Wish I could visit. Just curious: did the curator/gallery do the framing? Looks like they're styled similarly. On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hiya, Street, a collection of street photography in the State Library

Re: Street is on

2013-05-19 Thread Ann Sanfedele
deservedly chuffed :-) can we see your small part on line ? -- ooopps, I mean - of course, the selections that are in the show?;_) ann On 5/18/2013 17:49, Derby Chang wrote: Hiya, Street, a collection of street photography in the State Library, of which I am a small part, opened on Friday

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-18 Thread Eactivist
BTW, I like her on the right, balances out the poster on the left. M aka D In a message dated 5/17/2013 7:41:30 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, eactiv...@aol.com writes: Very, very nice, ann. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 5/15/2013 8:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

Street is on

2013-05-18 Thread Derby Chang
Hiya, Street, a collection of street photography in the State Library, of which I am a small part, opened on Friday. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/13/05/streetison/index.html chuffed -- der...@iinet.net.au http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-18 Thread Derby Chang
Superb. Tonal separation on the pedestrian, restrained colour palette, ankle boots, these are my favourite things On 16/05/2013 1:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot.

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 16 May 2013 13:17, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot. http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2432085175_KQz68hd/Large Btw -

Re: Street is on

2013-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
On 19 May 2013 07:49, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote: Hiya, Street, a collection of street photography in the State Library, of which I am a small part, opened on Friday. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/13/05/streetison/index.html chuffed Good stuff, will have to get off my

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-18 Thread Rob Studdert
- this is not coverted to bw or shot in bw - which I can see more clearly now myself OK, I'll try that again :) Very street Ann, love the near monochrome visage and stately facade broken by the subject exiting stage right. More to come now I hope? Cheers, -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-17 Thread Eactivist
Very, very nice, ann. Marnie aka Doe :-) In a message dated 5/15/2013 8:18:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ann...@nyc.rr.com writes: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot.

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Bruce Walker
That's great, Ann. A wonderful place and moment. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot.

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Rick Womer
Subject: PESO - street scene Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot. http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2432085175_KQz68hd/Large Btw - this is not coverted to bw or shot in bw

RE: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Gerrit Visser
Wonderful shading. The pedestrian leaving the scene seems to tie the building to a time gone by. Gerrit -Original Message- From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Ann Sanfedele Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 11:18 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - street scene

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Jack Davis
Beautiful light enhancing pleasing architecture. Don't believe I've seen this. Jack - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: PESO - street scene Took this a few months ago

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Alan C
16, 2013 5:17 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - street scene Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot. http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread John Sessoms
All it takes is a little PhotoShop magic to turn her around. From: P.J. Alling It's too bad that you couldn't have caught the pedestrian coming into the scene rather than leaving it, but other than that it's perfect. On 5/15/2013 11:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Took this a few months ago -

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Mark Roberts
Ann Sanfedele wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot. http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2432085175_KQz68hd/Large That shot is *perfect*. Don't listen to those other

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Ann Sanfedele
thanks Mark and... all of you ... you - picked up my spirits this morning... (don't even ask why that was necessary ) ( Mark, no worries - I never listen to P.J.:-) he doesn't listen to me either) also - I'm down to only two times a day for eyedrops now - yayayayay! even I can remember

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread kwaller
It's too bad that you couldn't have caught the pedestrian coming into the scene rather than leaving it, but other than that it's perfect. I think you'd be correct if the scene was about the person, but to me the scene is about the interesting street side facade. I might try to straighten

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread Don Guthrie
:51 -0400 From: Ann Sanfedeleann...@nyc.rr.com To: Pentax-Discuss Mail Listpdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - street scene Message-ID:51944fdf.1020...@nyc.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind

RE: PESO - street scene

2013-05-16 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
Love it, Ann! So glad your back on the list. :-) cheers, frank --- Original Message --- From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com Sent: May 15, 2013 5/15/13 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO - street scene Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys

PESO - street scene

2013-05-15 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot. http://annsan.smugmug.com/On-the-Road-or-On-Foot/2012-and-all-that/21847075_D88Ngw/1/2432085175_KQz68hd/Large Btw - this is not coverted to bw or shot in bw - which I can see more

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-15 Thread kwaller
Good eye! Nicely cvaptured! Kenneth Waller http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Ann Sanfedele ann...@nyc.rr.com Subject: PESO - street scene Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-15 Thread Walt
That's a really pleasing shot, Ann. I don't think I would have ever seen what you saw there. -- Walt On 5/15/2013 10:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot.

Re: PESO - street scene

2013-05-15 Thread P.J. Alling
It's too bad that you couldn't have caught the pedestrian coming into the scene rather than leaving it, but other than that it's perfect. On 5/15/2013 11:17 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: Took this a few months ago - dont think I ever showed you guys. More my kind of thing than the pumpkin ale shot.

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-12 Thread Bob W
On 12 Apr 2013, at 01:16, Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone wants to blame someone, and everyone blames those they disagree with politically. I blame the scapegoats [1] Bob [1] joke shamelessly stolen from John O'Farrel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-12 Thread Alan C
The educational side of this thread has been most interesting. I thought the educational system in SA was very bad but it seems the problems are universal. We have private schools funded by the parents (no Govt. assistance) which have the best facilities and teachers. Costs are very high but

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-12 Thread Bob Sullivan
Alan, I appreciate your comments and insight from outside the USA. My daughter-in-law is a special education teacher in the public schools. This year she sees students who are 2 or 3 years behind in reading or math. But they are the good stories with involved parents. Before this, she taught 5+

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-12 Thread Bill
On 12/04/2013 1:50 AM, Alan C wrote: Apartheid has been gone for 20 years but still gets the blame. You can't fix what was a racial travesty in one generation. Until everyone who lived with Apartheid are dead and buried, Apartheid is going to resonate in your society. We had our own form of

Injuns of Canada - Posting photos of street art can get you arrested.

2013-04-12 Thread Bipin Gupta
Bill how sad, that Canada treated the real owners of Canada so pathetically. Come to think of it, when I was in Boarding School - run by the Christian Brothers of Ireland - movies were screened every weekend in the School Theater cum Study Room cum Museum. Lots of them were Injuns vs Cowboys / US

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Bill
On 10/04/2013 1:49 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations. Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution. If you believe that your country is free of

Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Bipin Gupta
We live in the Bay Area, California, in a very friendly posh neighborhood. Actually we stay with our daughter. Come Xmas, and our next door neighbor Bob brought us a little Christmas Tree. Now Bob is a very my dear chap, chatty, friendly and ever helpful, but he was perplexed as to why we would

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
Sometimes I think irony is just completely wasted on you guys. From: Daniel J. Matyola Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when,

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
From: Boris Liberman On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. It worked very well between approx 1950 and 1980 in Soviet Union. Worked well right here in the U.S.A. between the Great Depression Reaganomics.

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frgRNN7pF30 From: Eactivist Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Bob Sullivan
My G*d John, you're such a cave man! Have you got a 'Flintstones' lunchbox too. Regards, Bob S. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 1:56 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread David Parsons
Are you blaming integration for declining school performance? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. It worked

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Believe it or not, some progress is possible, even here in New Jersey. The problem is entrenched power in the local school boards and the unions. We spend vast amounts of money on the public education system; we need to demand better results. Dan M Dan Matyola

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
It still works well in the wealthy suburbs. That's not the point. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: From: Boris Liberman On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread John Sessoms
No, I'm blaming the right wing war against public education that sprang up to resist the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education ruling for declining school performance. From: David Parsons Are you blaming integration for declining school performance? On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:56 PM,

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-11 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Everyone wants to blame someone, and everyone blames those they disagree with politically. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:24 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote: No, I'm blaming the right wing war against public education that

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 April 2013 12:50, John Coyle jco...@iinet.net.au wrote: I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the classic mnemonic I was taught at school - B (rackets) O (vers) D (ivision) M (ultiplication) A (dditions) S (ubtractions) Which often gives the correct answer, but equally can give an

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W
On 10 Apr 2013, at 05:22, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Given the size of the system and hence its inertia f[...] the general direction at which this juggernaut is moving on its own... I blame the physics teachers... :0) B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Bob, you're wrong. The Englishman with Jewish name Izik is the one to blame... :- On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 05:22, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Given the size of the system and hence its inertia f[...] the general

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at home. Children who come from families that put a high priority on education do well in school. If kids see

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Tue, Apr 9,

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have much to learn about how they should be regulated and on what basis

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights that can not be taken away by the government. Do you support tax breaks for

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: There are a lot of people who believe in no gods. But those too have created gods in

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bill
On 10/04/2013 7:57 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
My comment has nothing to do with tax breaks or anything else, but you know that. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Including under god in the pledge

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote:

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job of teachers easier, and eliminate any method of

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bill
On 10/04/2013 11:04 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current system: make the job

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Actually, yes. You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Yo won't run into the situation that is happening in Georgia (IIRC) where an entire school board is under

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 01:04:49PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: You will have students who are motivated, which makes the job of teaching much easier, and will tend to attract people to the profession who are passionate about teaching. Unfortunately, that is the philosophy of the current

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Sessoms
Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? From: Daniel J. Matyola Including under god in the pledge of allegiance is hardly worship. It is mostly a recognition that Americans are endowed by their Creator with

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Sessoms
Perhaps a better school system, but at the expense of an overall worsening of society. From: Daniel J. Matyola what is the interest of the pupil. If he or she want to learn So, if we eliminate compulsory education, and let the slackers drop out, we will have a better school system? Dan On

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W
On 10 Apr 2013, at 19:09, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: I know a little about this; one of my parents (and both of those of my wife) were life-long teachers. I went to the UK equivalent of both a US public school (although this was before Maggie Thatcher's drive to full comprehensive

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:10 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: This discussion seems to assume that the existence of charter shoals and voucher systems is up for debate. It's not. They're operating and, in many places, succeeding. We still have

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Sessoms
Unfortunately, the philosophy of the current system is to test all the kids in all the schools. Take money away from the schools where the kids test scores are below average and give it to the schools were the students already have test scores above average. Test 'em all again next year to

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Aahz: If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model. How will reducing everyone to the lowest common denominator make the system work? Repeat:

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Bob W
On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:41 PM, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: There are a lot of people

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to pray, or to whom to pray. Dan Dan Matyola

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I don't point fingers at other states, let alone other nations. Unfortunately, all humans are subject to corruption, and some will steal as much as they can if there is no fear of prosecution. If you believe that your country is free of corruption, or morally superior to others, you are of course

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our government, but they have never told me when, where, why and how to

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On 10 Apr 2013, at 16:16, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 9, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Tue, Apr 09, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 8, 2013,

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the secularists, which are indeed different, have in their fervor developed

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 3:55 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:43:48PM -0400, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: Do you mean like the right to not have the government telling you when, where, why how to pray, along with who to pray to? I have many complaints about our

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:03 PM, Aahz Maruch a...@pobox.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, Paul Stenquist wrote: A simplistic reading of the situation. Of course atheism and secularism are different. I'm not confusing them, but atheists are generally secularists. Many atheists and the

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:55:13PM -0700, Larry Colen wrote: I grew up as one of very few jews in the schools that I went to. I always felt uncomfortable around Christmas because one of the class activities was singing Christmas carols. Christmas carols are, in effect, prayers, at the

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That was good policy. Agreed. Question: does discussing full-frame fall

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 04:34:32PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: I'm going to avoid this thread going forward. I don't think any of us are going to achieve conversions. In the past we've avoided religious discussions. That

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I think I can top that, Larry. I went to elementary school when they stiill said the Lord's Prayer every day. The town was mostly Catholic, an I was one of the few who said the protestant ending. Based on the teachings of my conservative Lutheran Church, I should have refused to say it at all.

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul. Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective. Dan Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Paul

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist
Bong! The below implies that atheists (they) are a group that meets and gets together and makes joint decisions. I suppose there is an atheist society somewhere, but very few atheists belong to it. It also implies that secularists (they) are such a group as well. You night relook up the

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 05:46:21PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Bong! Bong didn't write the post that you're replying to, Paul did. By the way, someone made a mistaken conflation between atheist (meaning no-gods) and agnostic (meaning no-knowledge). The below implies that atheists

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist
Bong as in the bong show, duh. I am perfectly willing to drop it like Paul did, but you brought it up again. Paul said something, I said some people believe in no gods, Paul essentially said that even atheists and secularists have their gods (substitute gods). I challenged that

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Bong as in the bong show, duh. Do you mean the Gong show? They say that as you age, the memory is the second thing to go. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread knarftheria...@gmail.com
I don't dislike theists at all. I disagree with them on an issue that is of far more importance to them than it is to me. What I do take issue with is people trying (quite wrongly) to tell me what I ~do~ believe: Atheism is a religion just like any other. No, actually it's not. You really do

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Eactivist
Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, l...@red4est.com writes: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:09:43PM -0400,

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 08:03:19PM -0400, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? I dunno. I forgot years ago. Marnie aka Doe ;-) In a message dated 4/10/2013 3:19:21

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Larry Colen
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the schools. The problem is at home. Children who come from families that

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Paul Stenquist
On Apr 10, 2013, at 9:02 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 06:57:46AM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:07 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On 4/9/2013 9:30 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Because, simply put, the problem isn't the

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Aahz Maruch
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013, eactiv...@aol.com wrote: Well, the gong on the gong show went bong. Actually, what I mean was boing! Okay, Larry, I'll bite, tell me, what is the first? You mean, Who's on first? -- Hugs and backrubs -- I break Rule 6http://rule6.info/

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Daniel, you and I may have a communication breakdown here. For even a split second did I _not_ talk about the education being compulsory or not. If your system does not seriously challenge the slackers then you'll be having lots of trouble when they finish school. On 4/10/2013 4:57 PM,

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread kwaller
- From: Daniel J. Matyola danmaty...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested No one is trying to convert anyone else, Paul. Discussing our various feelings about religion in public life is benign, and, I believe helpful to understanding each others perspective

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 6:10 PM, Aahz Maruch wrote: Only if we want to continue with a failing school system. If we want a school system that works, we need to switch to an all-public model (with, of course, some caveats):

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) dollars in educational system this year, they will see the outcome in, may be like 20 years - 12 years of school, 3-4 years - first degree, 4-6 years - second and/or third degree... So this kind of investment is extremely

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 9:38 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: We've had universal public educate for more than 200 years. It didn't work. It worked very well between approx 1950 and 1980 in Soviet Union. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
I don' understand your comment or how it relates to anything I said. Dan Matyola http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Daniel, consider this - if your country invests 1 trln (yep, trillion) dollars in

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/11/2013 12:43 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote: The next year, I was in the class where all the Catholics and all the Eastern Orthodox got out early every Tuesday for religious instruction. The one Jewish boy in the class and I did our homework on Tuesday afternoons. Well, I know that

Re: Posting Photos of Street Art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
On 4/10/2013 1:18 AM, Bob W wrote: That's not god, that's Raoul B Whoa! You talk to the Great Capablanca... Next time you do - ask him what does he think about the quick chess invented by Mr. Kasparov... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-10 Thread Boris Liberman
Daniel, all-public schooling is not reducing to LCD. It is if you don't invest and your state (as in country, not as one of 50 United State) does not fully backs the educational system by funds, equipment, etc. This is huge investment with very slow return - you'll see returns like I said - in

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread John Francis
On Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 02:55:42PM +1000, Rob Studdert wrote: On 9 April 2013 14:37, Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rob, (and John) You and I often see things in the same way. However the question/problem seems rather academic. I haven't needed to or tried to remember the

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread David Mann
On Apr 8, 2013, at 11:26 PM, Rob Studdert distudio.p...@gmail.com wrote: That's nothing, I'm currently watching a thread on Facebook which relates to a basic math equation, the vast majority have no idea to solve it but argue fiercely that everyone else it wrong. The most interesting thing to

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Bob W
On 9 Apr 2013, at 06:01, Alan C c...@lantic.net wrote: How many photographers can still mentally apply the Sunny 16 rule? 7 B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above

Re: Posting photos of street art can get you arrested

2013-04-09 Thread Boris Liberman
Tom, I will have to disagree with you on this: On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 7:37 AM, Tom Cakalic caka...@gmail.com wrote: However the question/problem seems rather academic. Well, no. I haven't needed to or tried to remember the order of operations much past high school. Good for you. I wonder

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