Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-10-08 Thread P.J. Alling
On 10/7/2014 6:43 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2014-10-03 17:42 P.J. Alling wrote On 9/29/2014 9:08 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2014-09-28 20:16 P.J. Alling wrote It was widely believed that the law would not stand, as the constitution strictly forbids Ex Post Facto legislation. … for

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-10-07 Thread steve harley
on 2014-10-03 17:42 P.J. Alling wrote On 9/29/2014 9:08 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2014-09-28 20:16 P.J. Alling wrote It was widely believed that the law would not stand, as the constitution strictly forbids Ex Post Facto legislation. … for criminal law only The Constitution makes no

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-10-03 Thread P.J. Alling
On 9/29/2014 9:08 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2014-09-28 20:16 P.J. Alling wrote No, first Clinton administration, his party owned both houses, In March of his first year, congress passed and Clinton signed a tax increase retroactive to the beginning of his administration. and Reagan signed a

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-10-03 Thread P.J. Alling
On 9/29/2014 9:08 PM, steve harley wrote: on 2014-09-28 20:16 P.J. Alling wrote No, first Clinton administration, his party owned both houses, In March of his first year, congress passed and Clinton signed a tax increase retroactive to the beginning of his administration. and Reagan signed a

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video) Warning, contains a F-Bomb

2014-09-29 Thread Bill
Enough of this shit, both of you. On 28/09/2014 8:27 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Yes you did, I was keeping away from naming names or parties, just ragging on Government in General. However I've given you enough of the specifics and yes My taxes went up retroactively and I was paying on 1099s so

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-29 Thread steve harley
on 2014-09-28 20:16 P.J. Alling wrote No, first Clinton administration, his party owned both houses, In March of his first year, congress passed and Clinton signed a tax increase retroactive to the beginning of his administration. and Reagan signed a retroactive tax into law in 1987; and Ford

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-28 Thread John
Oh, yes. He screwed an intern. While Reagan and the two Bushes screwed the whole country. I'm still looking for specifics on whose taxes were raised retroactively. Now, I want to know exactly *when* it happened as well. On 9/27/2014 3:51 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Shit! Did you not live through

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-28 Thread Paul Stenquist
No politics please. There are sites where you can debate this endlessly. Paul via phone On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:56 PM, John sesso...@earthlink.net wrote: Oh, yes. He screwed an intern. While Reagan and the two Bushes screwed the whole country. I'm still looking for specifics on whose

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-28 Thread John
I didn't inject politics into the discussion. Under the circumstances I don't believe I deserve censure. ... nor censoring. On 9/28/2014 3:18 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: No politics please. There are sites where you can debate this endlessly. Paul via phone On Sep 28, 2014, at 1:56 PM, John

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-28 Thread P.J. Alling
No, first Clinton administration, his party owned both houses, In March of his first year, congress passed and Clinton signed a tax increase retroactive to the beginning of his administration. It was widely believed that the law would not stand, as the constitution strictly forbids Ex Post

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-28 Thread P.J. Alling
Yes you did, I was keeping away from naming names or parties, just ragging on Government in General. However I've given you enough of the specifics and yes My taxes went up retroactively and I was paying on 1099s so I'm very aware of it, unlike those who paid in advance out of their payroll,

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-27 Thread John
New rules wouldn't apply to any photos you had already taken before those rules went into effect anyway. On 9/26/2014 7:16 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: That is certainly more better :-) Now I can feel free to make a calendar of places in my favorite parks from photos I took 30 years ago Hurray

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
That had occured to me, but wasn't sure - and of course I still would like to take more ann On 9/27/2014 11:33, John wrote: New rules wouldn't apply to any photos you had already taken before those rules went into effect anyway. On 9/26/2014 7:16 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: That is certainly

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-27 Thread P.J. Alling
Tell that to those who's taxes have been raised retroactively, in contravention of clear constitutional principals, yet that law was found to be constitutional. This shouldn't even be a decision of the bureaucracy, it should no matter how trivial it seems be a matter for a vote in congress,

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-27 Thread John
Can you provide specific information as to whose taxes have been raised retroactively? Name names? On 9/27/2014 12:51 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Tell that to those who's taxes have been raised retroactively, in contravention of clear constitutional principals, yet that law was found to be

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-27 Thread P.J. Alling
Shit! Did you not live through the Clinton administration? On 9/27/2014 2:35 PM, John wrote: Can you provide specific information as to whose taxes have been raised retroactively? Name names? On 9/27/2014 12:51 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Tell that to those who's taxes have been raised

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-26 Thread Darren Addy
Follow-up: http://petapixel.com/2014/09/26/forest-service-delays-decision-controversial-permit-rules-amid-public-outcry/ On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 7:43 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: on 2014-09-24 16:07 Darren Addy wrote I can perhaps understand the rationale for film crews, but

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-26 Thread Ann Sanfedele
That is certainly more better :-) Now I can feel free to make a calendar of places in my favorite parks from photos I took 30 years ago Hurray for the outcry ann On 9/26/2014 18:37, Darren Addy wrote: Follow-up:

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-25 Thread John Francis
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 06:36:08PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me as very odd that an environmentalist like Ansel Adams might be precluded from photographing in Yosemite (if he were alive today) when it

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-25 Thread John
On 9/25/2014 2:09 PM, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 06:36:08PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me as very odd that an environmentalist like Ansel Adams might be precluded from photographing in

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-25 Thread Mark Roberts
John Francis wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 06:36:08PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me as very odd that an environmentalist like Ansel Adams might be precluded from photographing in Yosemite (if he were

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-25 Thread Jack Davis
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:27:30 PM Subject: Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video) John Francis wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 06:36:08PM -0400, Bruce Walker wrote: On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-25 Thread steve harley
on 2014-09-24 16:07 Darren Addy wrote I can perhaps understand the rationale for film crews, but the still photography requirement is SILLY, IMHO: http://petapixel.com/2014/09/24/us-forest-service-proposes-controversial-expensive-photo-permit-rules/#more-146255 today Denver Post digs in a

U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-24 Thread Darren Addy
I can perhaps understand the rationale for film crews, but the still photography requirement is SILLY, IMHO: http://petapixel.com/2014/09/24/us-forest-service-proposes-controversial-expensive-photo-permit-rules/#more-146255 The article above links to the Federal Parks Service comment page, if

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-24 Thread Zos Xavius
Ugh. I will write a comment, but this one makes me too mad to even write anything approaching rationality at this moment. The first amendment issues alone are troubling. On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: I can perhaps understand the rationale for film

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-24 Thread Bruce Walker
On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote: It strikes me as very odd that an environmentalist like Ansel Adams might be precluded from photographing in Yosemite (if he were alive today) when it was his photographs that helped spur the care and conservation of

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-24 Thread Stan Halpin
The workshops I have participated in were mostly within National Forest Service lands, and the organizers had the proper permits. I wouldn't take a workshop with anyone who was not following the rules, any more than I would buy firewood from someone cutting in a National Forest without a

Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video)

2014-09-24 Thread Ken Waller
/kennethwaller - Original Message - From: Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info Subject: Re: U.S. Forest Service proposes photo permit rules (still video) The workshops I have participated in were mostly within National Forest Service lands, and the organizers had the proper permits. I