Re: Ricoh what if

2013-09-27 Thread David Mann
On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Why are they so expensive? Because they are built an old fashioned way, in small numbers, with high quality materials and lots of individual attention to each one in testing and QA. Those who appreciate craftsmanship at

Re: Ricoh what if

2013-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
That's a very beautiful piece. Thanks for sharing it. :-) Godfrey On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:05 PM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote: Those who appreciate craftsmanship at any price might be interested in this short video about a watch maker...

Re: Ricoh what if

2013-09-27 Thread Larry Colen
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 06:05:03PM +1200, David Mann wrote: On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:28 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Why are they so expensive? Because they are built an old fashioned way, in small numbers, with high quality materials and lots of individual attention to each

Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 26/9/13, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: You don't see Michael Schumacher hauling his entire pit crew around the racetrack do you? Do you want to race? Or do you want to sit around the campfire and sing kumbafuckingya? Sailing troll = trawler !! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

Re: Ricoh what if

2013-09-27 Thread Boris Liberman
On 9/26/2013 10:11 PM, Larry Colen wrote: Why would I need AF? When it focuses on the right thing, AF can focus more precisely than manual. Indeed. When is an important word here. Why would Ricoh need AF on the mount? Because these days, to all intents and purposes you cannot sell a camera

FS Fryday: When owning too much glass is a problem

2013-09-27 Thread CollinB
Amid a loud chorus of No!, here's my struggle. Glass takes up space. It's heavy to carry around. (Which is why I gave up 8x10 -- and THAT was difficult!) I have 3 zooms FA28-105, 18-55WR, and Sigma 70-300 And some primes FA35/2, FA28/2.8, F50/1.7, M*300/4, and the 70/2.4LTD Plus the F 1.7xTC

GESO: Fire on my street

2013-09-27 Thread David Parsons
There was a fire in a garage on my street yesterday. http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157635930516463/ -- David Parsons Photography http://www.davidparsonsphoto.com Aloha Photographer Photoblog http://alohaphotog.blogspot.com/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

OT: Location?

2013-09-27 Thread CollinB
Anyone in S. Maryland? http://smd.craigslist.org/bar/4064701853.html I'd like the H8 but can't drive that far. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

GESO: First shots with the K7

2013-09-27 Thread Alan C
These are my pick of the first batch of shots with the K7. All with the FA 100-300. The Buffalo portraits are at about 20m. The Mopane scrub is about to lose its leaves. This is the Lowveld's equivalent of Autumn. The Saddlebill Stork is at about 300m. I didn't see the croc until I started

Re: Behold the K-3!

2013-09-27 Thread John
My guess is it's an illustration, rather than a photograph, but whether it looks real or not, it's still just a rumor as of this morning. On 9/26/2013 2:43 PM, Zos Xavius wrote: https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-nfWxVV3SLpI/UkRyhGCADuI/Sgc/0UuYK1ZkO8Y/d/PentaxK-3_02.jpgg It looks real

Re: F*250-600 repair

2013-09-27 Thread John
As a matter of fact, I do. I think I do. I know I used to have one. On 9/26/2013 1:25 PM, P.J. Alling wrote: Do you even have a reader? More importantly, does anybody? On 9/26/2013 11:02 AM, John wrote: I have a Pentax repair manual for the Auto110 that my friendly local (used to be)

Re: Ricoh what if

2013-09-27 Thread John
On 9/27/2013 1:24 AM, Bob W wrote: On 27 Sep 2013, at 00:23, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: [...] I'm also willing to bet that most of the people who own Leicas are graduates of the Dunning-Kruger school of expert photography. Methinks the Larry doth protest too much. B I think

Follow-up on Sigma 400/5.6 APO from KEH

2013-09-27 Thread Stan Halpin
Short version: I have sent it back to KEH. Longer version: I kept thinking that the lens was too good for an Ugly rating, even by KEH. On about my fifth inspection, in just the right light, squinting my eyes and wrinkling my nose, I could see what looked like a faint haze on an interior

Re: PESO: My New Lâg T66D

2013-09-27 Thread John Sessoms
[Spamcopped on Yahoo. So I'll try again with the other one.] That's nice. I've never been much impressed with Fender acoustics if the electric/acoustic is what I'm thinking, you're probably better off without it this one will give you much greater satisfaction. On 9/26/2013 11:56 AM, Walt

Re: Follow-up on Sigma 400/5.6 APO from KEH

2013-09-27 Thread Darren Addy
The M* 300mm f4 is spoken for. On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Short version: I have sent it back to KEH. Longer version: I kept thinking that the lens was too good for an Ugly rating, even by KEH. On about my fifth inspection, in

Re: Follow-up on Sigma 400/5.6 APO from KEH

2013-09-27 Thread Zos Xavius
Damn I figured it wouldn't last long. That's actually the 300mm I've been wanting for some time. Ah well, more will come around when I have some cash for a change. Stan, Sorry you had to send the 400 back. I guess it was just too good to be true. You did get an awesome reflection shot with it, so

Re: Behold the K-3!

2013-09-27 Thread Toralf Lund
On 9/27/13 0:45, Steve Cottrell wrote: On 26/9/13, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed: Has anyone stopped to think that it really makes no difference if it's fake or real? Either way it's just a picture of a camera. It won't do anything for you that any other picture of a camera won't

Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread Don Guthrie
While shooting around the state capital I came across this street shot I could not resist. CC as always. http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/9967928034/ or http://donspix.smugmug.com/Architecture/Buildings-Architecture/i-4cGLt7F/0/X2/Saturday%20Afternoon%20Nap%20%2026916-X2.jpg -- PDML

Re: PESO: My New Lâg T66D

2013-09-27 Thread Walt
Thank you, Yonnie! Actually, my Yamaha won't be too neglected. I've decided to take it up to the club where I work, so I can practice in my downtime and let other pickers play it whenever the notion strikes. I think it adds a little something to the atmosphere to have it around there.

Re: PESO: My New Lâg T66D

2013-09-27 Thread Walt
Thanks, John. Looks like I'll be picking it up a little sooner than expected -- like /today/. Hooray! -- Walt On 9/27/2013 9:58 AM, John Sessoms wrote: [Spamcopped on Yahoo. So I'll try again with the other one.] That's nice. I've never been much impressed with Fender acoustics if the

Re: PESO: Pas de Deux

2013-09-27 Thread Walt
On 9/26/2013 9:50 PM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Walt ldott...@gmail.com: An interesting development occurred at the hummingbird feeder this morning. I've been taking shots of a mantis that's been hanging out there for the past several days. Then, late last night, I noticed there were two

Re: PESO: Pas de Deux

2013-09-27 Thread Walt
Thanks, Ann. I didn't see one out there today, but it may have been a little early for them. I'll be checking back periodically. They're just fun to watch, aren't they? -- Walt On 9/26/2013 10:00 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: What Frank said - here,in particular, they look like critters from a

Re: Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
On 27/9/13, Don Guthrie, discombobulated, unleashed: While shooting around the state capital I came across this street shot I could not resist. CC as always. http://www.flickr.com/photos/valdon/9967928034/ or http://donspix.smugmug.com/Architecture/Buildings-Architecture/i-4cGLt7F/

Re: New autofocus patent - phase detection at every pixel

2013-09-27 Thread Attila Boros
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: They could put a rotating barrel around the lens which you could turn in either direction. That might work. Genius! *You* should patent that before they do:) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread Attila Boros
It was worth taking. Nice architecture and a really tired guy. I like how you placed him at the bottom of the frame. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the

Re: Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread Bruce
At first glance I only saw the pattern, then the man at the bottom caught my eye. The simplify in me feels like there is competition for my attention between the two. Two nice photos in one. -- Bruce Sent from my iPad On Sep 27, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

2013-09-27 Thread John Francis
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 04:41:30PM -0400, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I saw an interview done with Oracle owner Larry Ellison where he said one of the reasons for the A C 72 boat was to get more spectator involvement and move the sport closer to the more extreme sports and hopefully get a

Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
For those looking in on this thread, you might be interested in Ben Ainslie's post race thoughts. http://tinyurl.com/sirbencogitates Links straight to UK Telegraph online web page. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__Broadcast, Corporate, || (O) |Web Video Production --

GESO - C-41 summer

2013-09-27 Thread Toralf Lund
Another set from this summer's experiments with a DA-35 F/2.4 lens on a film body - this time with colour film. Nothing special, just plain Superia 200: http://se.toralf.net/post/61523519312/c-41-summer I do think I see some light fall-off on some images this time, but I'd still say this is

Re: GESO - C-41 summer

2013-09-27 Thread Attila Boros
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: Another set from this summer's experiments with a DA-35 F/2.4 lens on a film body - this time with colour film. Nothing special, just plain Superia 200: http://se.toralf.net/post/61523519312/c-41-summer Very nice! I shot

Re: GESO - C-41 summer

2013-09-27 Thread Toralf Lund
On 27/09/13 22:27, Attila Boros wrote: On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:54 PM, Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: Another set from this summer's experiments with a DA-35 F/2.4 lens on a film body - this time with colour film. Nothing special, just plain Superia 200:

Re: GESO: First shots with the K7

2013-09-27 Thread Jack Davis
I hope the Saddlebill saw the croc in good time. Like these, Alan. I'd imagine that body and lens will produce great full size files. Jack - Original Message - From: Alan C c...@lantic.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 6:13 AM Subject:

Re: Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Mini Occupy wall street comes to mind. I like the shot a lot - the sleeping person makes it work, really wouldn't be worth taking without him ann On 9/27/2013 12:50, Bruce wrote: At first glance I only saw the pattern, then the man at the bottom caught my eye. The simplify in me feels

Re: PESO: My New Lâg T66D

2013-09-27 Thread John Sessoms
[spamcopped again] Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address. pdml@pdml.net: Remote host said: 550 http://www.spamcop.net/bl.shtml?98.136.218.189; [RCPT_TO] A new guitar doesn't mean you can't continue to play the old guitar. I've got a K20D, but I continue to

Re: Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread Jack Davis
Interesting choice of nap locations. Like it, Don.   Jack - Original Message - From: Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com To: pdml@pdml.net Cc: Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 9:22 AM Subject: Peso Afternoon Nap While shooting around the state capital I came across this street shot I

It's started again......

2013-09-27 Thread Steve Cottrell
...and I'm even wearing my PDML 'You can never have too many lenses' T shirt. Just purchased a Voigltander 15mm f/4.5 in M39 mount (along with an adaptor) in mint condition with a 15mm hotshoe viewfinder. Easing myself back in here, and feeling good! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__

Re: It's started again......

2013-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Why did I just start hearing the spooky music from Forbidden Planet play in my head? On Sep 27, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Steve Cottrell co...@seeingeye.tv wrote: ...and I'm even wearing my PDML 'You can never have too many lenses' T shirt. Just purchased a Voigltander 15mm f/4.5 in M39 mount

Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

2013-09-27 Thread kwaller
I wonder if and when we'll ever see the AC 72 technology (solid articulated sail and foils) filter down the chain for the every day sailor to use. I had a Hobie 16 I sailed single handed and with wind it can become a handful. Throw in the articulated sail and the foils and you'd have a barrel

Re: OT - ORACLE WIN

2013-09-27 Thread Larry Colen
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:29PM -0400, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote: I wonder if and when we'll ever see the AC 72 technology (solid articulated sail and foils) filter down the chain for the every day sailor to use. I had a Hobie 16 I sailed single handed and with wind it can become a

RE: OT: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread Bill Sawyer
Are you doing an article, Paul? It sounds like you got a 'Pro' invite. I remember Lauda's accident, too, and the terrible scarring on his face after. He still went on to establish his own airline. I wonder how this will compare with the 1966 movie 'Grand Prix', which I recall as being

Re: Ricoh what if

2013-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Sep 26, 2013, at 11:11 AM, Alexandru-Cristian Sarbu alexandru.sa...@gmail.com wrote: Let me rephrase that: would a newly designed telecentric lens have issues, with offset microlenses? (it's the other way around) Of course, new sensors could make this a non-issue. It shouldn't, but

Re: Bears in Finland

2013-09-27 Thread Mark C
Wow! Remarkable shots all around! I don't know how rare these creatures are in Europe, but here the wolverine would be exceedingly rare. All are great but the eagle shot is really fabulous. Agaon - WOW!!! Mark On 9/24/2013 1:48 AM, SV Hovland wrote: Hi I had a 5 day trip to Finland last

Re: GESO - C-41 summer

2013-09-27 Thread Mark C
Very nice collection - I like the Little Area and the window shot the best, but all are pleasing. Looks like this lens works well on a FF / Film body. Mark On 9/27/2013 3:54 PM, Toralf Lund wrote: Another set from this summer's experiments with a DA-35 F/2.4 lens on a film body - this time

Re: GESO 2013 - Key Party 3 - GDG

2013-09-27 Thread Mark C
Great shots - love the motion blur in the last shot, shot #6 is my favorite of the bunch. Nice collection! Mark On 9/25/2013 2:47 AM, Godfrey Di Giorgi wrote: Last Saturday was the third anniversary of obtaining the keys to the our condo. We decided to have a little party to celebrate. And I

PESO chairman of the board

2013-09-27 Thread Bruce Walker
Marco Pecota, partner/owner and creative force behind Metropolis Factory in Toronto. A one-light portrait. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9973709886/ That boardroom table is a one-off Pecota design. It's made from a solid slab of maple roughly four by twelve feet, cut down the

Re: OT: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
Hi Bill, I'm not going to review the movie, but my Times connection gets me invites to many auto events. Brembo is a close connection as well. I did a piece for the Times on ceramic brakes. I'll have to have a look at what McLaren is doing here. Thanks for the tip. I think this film surpasses

Re: PESO - Checking the Accommodation

2013-09-27 Thread Mark C
On 9/24/2013 3:32 AM, Brian Walters wrote: Quoting Mark C pdml-m...@charter.net: Nice shot What kind of birds? Red headed house hunters? Catchy name! They're Galahs - a medium sized cockatoo and very common. They're expanded their range since European settlement. Interestingly, the

Re: GESO 2013 - Key Party 3 - GDG

2013-09-27 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Thanks Mark! I'm enjoying working with the Polaroid SX-70s. There's something about them that is just inviting and fun, and their imaging qualities are unique. Thank the gods that The Impossible Project got off the ground - it would be very sad to see these cameras die completely. Someone

Re: PESO - Zoe (caution, feline content!)

2013-09-27 Thread Mark C
Pretty cat, Frank! Classic tabby... Mark On 9/24/2013 8:30 PM, knarf wrote: Zoe has been a part of our household for almost a year but I realized last night that I had no decent photos of her. Okay, one, but it was lost in my camera last October. So last night I tried to remedy that:

PESO - Toby and Friend

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
I wasn't going to post this but I changed my mind: http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2013/09/toby-and-friend.html?m=1 Hope you enjoy. Comments always welcome. “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net

Re: PESO - Zoe (caution, feline content!)

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Thanks, Mark! We owned a Tabby when I was a kid and I've always loved them. I was reading somewhere that tabbies are very close to what cats looked like before we domesticated them and started selectively breeding them. Makes sense; that coat would be amazing camouflage in a dark forest.

Re: PESO chairman of the board

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Beautiful lighting enhances this relaxed portrait. Terrific shot! Cheers, frank Bruce Walker bruce.wal...@gmail.com wrote: Marco Pecota, partner/owner and creative force behind Metropolis Factory in Toronto. A one-light portrait. http://www.flickriver.com/photos/bruce_m_walker/9973709886/

Re: GESO 2013 - Key Party 3 - GDG

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Brilliant idea and great results. Enjoyed looking at this little gallery. Cheers, frank Godfrey DiGiorgi godd...@me.com wrote: Thanks Mark! I'm enjoying working with the Polaroid SX-70s. There's something about them that is just inviting and fun, and their imaging qualities are unique. Thank

Re: OT: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Loved James Hunt (Hunt the Shunt). His partnership with Lord Hesketh made racing fun for a while. And Nicki Lauda was one of the all time greats. The trailers are amazing, don't doubt the movie is too. Thanks for the mini-review, Paul. Cheers, Frank Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Re: OT: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Le Mans with Steve McQueen was pretty good. Not much plot but the racing footage was very good. cheers, frank Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:52:03PM -0400, Paul Stenquist wrote: Saw it tonight. Anyone who enjoys motorsports has to see it, but so too anyone who

PESO -- Toby and Gibson.

2013-09-27 Thread P.J. Alling
Another shot from the Polo match... I was going to use the title Toby and friend, but Knarf used it just a couple of days ago. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20toby%26gibson.html Equipment: Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6 As usual comments are

Re: GESO: Fire on my street

2013-09-27 Thread Ann Sanfedele
Scary stuff! hope the wind wasn't headed toward your house.. Nicely documented - kept your cool . ann On 9/27/2013 08:08, David Parsons wrote: There was a fire in a garage on my street yesterday. http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157635930516463/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail

Re: OT: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Lemans, racing scenes only. Turn up the volume: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zhDKFhfEggfeature=youtube_gdata_player Cheers, frank Mark Roberts postmas...@robertstech.com wrote: Larry Colen wrote: A movie about racing that doesn't suck? Bikes, not cars, but it's fscking amazing:

Re: OT: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
The Hunt/Lord Hesketh relationship is well told here. Even after Hesketh had to bail, he's seen again celbrating hsi superstar's success. There's a lot to love in this film. On Sep 27, 2013, at 10:15 PM, knarf knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote: Loved James Hunt (Hunt the Shunt). His partnership

Re: GESO - C-41 summer

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Very good set! Cheers, frank Toralf Lund tor...@toralf.net wrote: Another set from this summer's experiments with a DA-35 F/2.4 lens on a film body - this time with colour film. Nothing special, just plain Superia 200: http://se.toralf.net/post/61523519312/c-41-summer I do think I see some

Re: Peso Afternoon Nap

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Striking photo. The stark architecture and the humanity of the napper juxtapose in a way that speaks volumes about urban poverty. cheers, frank Don Guthrie shark50...@gmail.com wrote: While shooting around the state capital I came across this street shot I could not resist. CC as always.

Re: GESO: Fire on my street

2013-09-27 Thread knarf
Very well documented. Cheers, frank David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com wrote: There was a fire in a garage on my street yesterday. http://www.flickr.com/photos/alohadave/sets/72157635930516463/ “Analysis kills spontaneity.” -- Henri-Frederic Amiel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List

Question re K-5ii controls

2013-09-27 Thread Stan Halpin
Short story: I haven't been able to find a way to use Mirror Lockup mode while also bracketing exposures. Am I missing something in one of the functions or options? Longer story: One of the things I learned during the workshop I attended in August is that I didn't know as much as I thought

Re: Question re K-5ii controls

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Stenquist
I've found that when shooting RAW, bracketing is unnecessary. If you''re careful about exposure and come close, you can easily nail it in conversion. Paul On Sep 27, 2013, at 11:34 PM, Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info wrote: Short story: I haven't been able to find a way to use Mirror

Re: PESO -- Ikea's Billboard (now improved with correct link)

2013-09-27 Thread P.J. Alling
The K20D doesn't seem to have the dynamic range to allow me to pull more detail out of the building. On exposure I had a choice either I could go HDR, not a good possibility since I didn't have a camera support of any kind with me, or expose for highlights, or shadows. I chose to not blow

Re: Question re K-5ii controls

2013-09-27 Thread Larry Colen
When shooting raw (ie always) I Bracket when I'm worrying about dynamic range. Particularly at night when there are lights that could blow out. One of the bracketing modes is with the 2 second lockup. Up arrow for shutter modes Go to bracket Down arrow Select bracket with a timer dial Paul

OT -- Stupid software rant.

2013-09-27 Thread P.J. Alling
So where to start. RANT I just finished uninstalling AVG and Installing Avast on my small laptop. The reason being that the latest update from AVG failed to properly install and every attempt ended with the same failure. I could find nothing in their support forums that even hinted at

Re: Question re K-5ii controls

2013-09-27 Thread Stan Halpin
Right - which is the main reason I've not explored bracketing extensively before. Particularly doing a test shot and checking the histograms, it isn't that tough to have the proper exposure. But my interest is due to some curiosity about HDR for which I would like to have a 5-shot bracket to

Re: Question re K-5ii controls

2013-09-27 Thread Stan Halpin
Got it Larry. I blew right past that option, and went for the remote trigger. But you are right, this should serve the purpose. stan On Sep 27, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Larry Colen wrote: When shooting raw (ie always) I Bracket when I'm worrying about dynamic range. Particularly at night when

Re: Question re K-5ii controls

2013-09-27 Thread Brian Walters
Quoting Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: Got it Larry. I blew right past that option, and went for the remote trigger. But you are right, this should serve the purpose. Yeah - that works. Searching on line I found suggestions that MLU + auto bracketing is available if you put the

Re: Rush

2013-09-27 Thread Dario Bonazza
Saw it yesterday, liking it very much. Even my 17-years old son enjoyed it. Dario -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.