On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:55 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
Cotty wrote:
On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
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This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
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Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
...and?
full frame is not a format name. It can be used as a format name only
if supplemented by
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
full frame is not a format name. It can be used as a format name only
if supplemented by information which frame ? In citation above it is
35mm, or 135, and the crop factor is relative to full frame of 135
format. It annoys me that you
On 1/3/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being
Of
Bronek Kozicki
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:02 AM
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
K10D
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF
24x36mm, 35mm, 135 format, format frame.
jco
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Bronek Kozicki
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
Your just arguing nomenclature.
The majority of people on this list can't afford the current MF/LF
digital bodies/backs, without selling their soul organs. So when
someone refers to full frame digital, it's generally understood that
they're talking 35mm full frame.
Cheers,
Dave
On 1/3/07,
- Original Message -
From: mike wilson Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
He links to this http://www.pbase.com/bret/image/71055999 from his site
http://www.kenrockwell.com/gallery.htm
I can't work out whether he knows it is a joke at his
- Original Message -
From: Bronek Kozicki Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
full frame is not a format name.
I've always wondered what the crop factor was on my Pentax 6x7.
Does anyone know what full frame is on 120?
Note, I am not trying
- Original Message -
From: David Savage Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Your just arguing nomenclature.
He's not the only person on list who argues nomenclature. I'd even hazzard a
guess, without looking into my filtered emails, that I
Well, he certainly has an eye for color.
mike wilson wrote:
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Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead
frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
Let's not fight over words.
Tom C.
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
K10D
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 10:01:50 +
Digital
120 is a film size, not a format.
jco
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs
K10D
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
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From: David Savage Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Your just arguing nomenclature.
He's not the only person on list who argues nomenclature. I'd even hazzard a
guess, without
Full frame would be Kodaks original format. would be 2 1/4 x 3 1/2
inches. They invented it.
William Robb wrote:
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From: Bronek Kozicki Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO -
Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
full frame is not a format name
William Robb wrote:
I'd even hazzard a guess, without looking into my filtered emails,
that I know who he is arguing with..
Har!
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professional help).
mike wilson wrote:
From: Christian [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 10:22:44 GMT
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken
On 1/03/07 1:12 PM, Adam Maas, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The Monarch shot is good, if a little over-saturated. The road and
treeline is a fun example of a blue/gold polarizer. The other two are crap.
Looking at the tree line and its edge, magic wand was used to make the sky
look clear :-).
Ken
On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
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Cotty wrote:
On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
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On 3/1/07, William Robb, discombobulated, unleashed:
Note, I am not trying to add anything useful to this discourse.
Mark.
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
It appears to be a bit of a habit. ;-)
Tom C.
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On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
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- Hertzlia Marina vs
K10D
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:26:08 +
On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
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Cotty wrote:
On 3/1/07, Mark Roberts, discombobulated, unleashed:
From the 2005 quotations list:
This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
Isn't he, though?
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This comment is not designed to add useful discourse.
- William Robb
Smartass ;-)
Isn't he, though?
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:17:37 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
they _will_ _die_. Simple as that.
But the others won't. Simple as
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Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 23:17:37 -, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body
On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The price difference in absolute dollars
between FF and APS has and will continue
to drop. As it gets lower and lower, the
benefit/(price difference) ratio will get
too high to make APS attractive or maybe
even eventually feasable. Thats
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
- Original Message -
From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
It will affect them to a certain extent
On 03/01/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
- Original Message -
From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
Quoting William Robb [EMAIL
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
- Original Message -
From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
has anyone seen full frame camera
nelson
HAHA!
/nelson
On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AIIEEee.
Not Ken Rockwell!
Scott Loveless wrote:
On 1/1/07, David J Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Which is why i have not read a DP review thread in 12 months.
i Prefer to ask those actally
From: Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/01/02 Tue PM 01:55:09 GMT
To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
On 03/01/07, J. C. O'Connell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The price difference in absolute
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
f4 L lens. At 17mm 40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
treatable in the RAW converter. I think this says more about the lens
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
images)
and how many from wide lenses ?
B.
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of not having higher rez.
jco
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Digital Image Studio
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
On 03/01/07, J. C
On 1/2/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
price by at least the value of area of
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.
B.
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On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
On 1/2/07, William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've got some samples I took in store with a Canon 5D and EF 17-40mm
f4 L lens. At 17mm 40mm there is vignetting, but it's easily
treatable in the
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
price by at least the value of area of silicon
On 1/2/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Someone who does not use wide lenses might not care, but given that Pentax
offer
is especially strong at the wide end, it should matter for Pentax customers.
In
other words, would you buy 24x36mm DLSR from Pentax, if pictures it takes with
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only currently 281942 sample
images)
and how many from wide
On 1/3/07, Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/canon/eos_5d (only
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Silicon is least part of price, it is yield that matters. And it drops
exponentially with increase of size of sensor, thus making production
expensive.
Grated, that's why I said at least, yields may be able to be improved
(as they have been
Quoting David Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
So I take it your not a fan aft the 35mm full frame DSLR concept.
I am not. Or maybe this whole Canon propaganda just started p**ng me off. I came
from 6x7 (Pentacon Six) and see nothing special in 135 format, except maybe
balance of speed and quality for
On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AIIEEee.
Not Ken Rockwell!
Do we need a Ken Rockwell Rule similar to the Newsgroup Nazi Rule? :-)
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Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm afraid that your argument is purely speculative, there is no proof
as yet that any Pentax 35mm lenses perform poorly on FF sensors.
The whole thread is purely speculative ;-P
I'm not saying never, but currently Pentax seems to be heading in
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And for those interested in best quality and high resolution, I'd suggest
searching in ebay for 67 and 645 Pentax lenses - prices will soar later this
year. And it is much less speculative prediction than the whole FF thingy.
This assumes
On 1/2/07, Doug Franklin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AIIEEee.
Not Ken Rockwell!
Do we need a Ken Rockwell Rule similar to the Newsgroup Nazi Rule? :-)
Yes, please. There is usually a bit of reservation before comparing
their price would be merely astronomical not US Federal Budget sized.
William Robb wrote:
This arrived in my inbox. I think it was meant to go to the list
- Original Message -
From: Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
There is nothing that makes 24x36mm sweet spot except for
Canon's marketing strategy
and the huge supply of very good to brilliant existing lenses designed
for that format.
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The pertinent consideration of course is
I am fond of APS-C but not despising FF. I am just satisfied with the
current performance and compactness of gears of APS-C DSLR. And of course I
have no intention whatsoever to bring out some $3,000 for essentially
nothing more than just a camera. This might change if and when the
On 1/02/07 10:46 AM, Bronek Kozicki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not saying never, but currently Pentax seems to be heading in different
direction. We will see. As for now, I'm buying both FA and DA lenses,
depending
on my immediate needs.
It is well known that Canon's lens line up is not
Listen to the new guy lecturing us.
Interesting but we've been over this umpteen thousand times. Most of
what you're saying is known to even the most technically obtuse on this
list.
Very good 35mm lenses work well on the Canon FF digital cameras. This
is testified to by the number of
Yes, but it would be violated anyway. (Actually, now I feel violated,
I'm off for a shower).
Doug Franklin wrote:
On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AIIEEee.
Not Ken Rockwell!
Do we need a Ken Rockwell Rule similar to the Newsgroup Nazi
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And for those interested in best quality and high resolution, I'd suggest
searching in ebay for 67 and 645 Pentax lenses - prices will soar later this
year. And it is much less speculative prediction than the
P. J. Alling wrote:
There is nothing that makes 24x36mm sweet spot except for
Canon's marketing strategy
and the huge supply of very good to brilliant existing lenses designed
for that format.
the point I was trying to make is that alghough these lenses loose their
angle of view, they
K.Takeshita wrote:
On 1/02/07 10:46 AM, Bronek Kozicki, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not saying never, but currently Pentax seems to be heading in different
direction. We will see. As for now, I'm buying both FA and DA lenses,
depending
on my immediate needs.
It is well known that
P. J. Alling wrote:
Your arguments are known. Your conclusions are suspect, and your mother
dresses you funny.
she does not ;-P and I'm not going to argue with you other points, as
they might be true indeed. The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
discussion that could end up like
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
The pertinent consideration of course is that the now defunct
resolution sensors would have used a similar silicon area to those by
which they were replaced. FF and APS sensors will always differ in
price by at least the
On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Bronek Kozicki wrote:
The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
discussion that could end up like whining when Pentax will finally
release full frame camera?!. There is no full frame to start with,
it's just 135 format called by a different name invented by Canon
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Subject: Re: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia Marina vs K10D
On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Bronek Kozicki wrote:
The fact
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too many big Canon or Leica M8 produced
images.
Leica M8 is croppped, although not APS.
B.
Close to APS-H actually. About as close to that as DX format is to APS-C.
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That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H (16:9) isn't even close. Geeze these numbers are
published everywhere.
Adam Maas wrote:
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image Studio [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
B obviously hasn't looked at too
On 03/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What they call blind test is rampant. They exhibit images taken by
various cameras including 5D (usually more than 5 images taken by different
cameras) and see if anyone can tell the difference. This of course is more
for an entertainment
Yes, but the size is similar.
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H (16:9) isn't even close. Geeze these numbers are
published everywhere.
Adam Maas wrote:
Bronek Kozicki wrote:
Quoting Digital Image
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you seem to forgot that the new Hoya Pentax company will launch in
October -- I'd be surprised if 645D does not go to market before this
date, and I'd be shocked if it is pulled back with no good reason other
than merger.
I think I'd fall
On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
she does not ;-P and I'm not going to argue with you other points, as
they might be true indeed. The fact is I'm just losing patience seeing
discussion that could end up like whinning when Pentax will finally
release full frame camera?!.
Width maybe, but height is, (well at the sizes we're considering), much
greater in the Kodak chip than in APS-H format.
Adam Maas wrote:
Yes, but the size is similar.
-Adam
P. J. Alling wrote:
That's not true, the Kodak chip is the same ratio as APS-C ~ 35mm ~
6x9cm (2:3). APS-H
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
B.
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On 03/01/07, Bronek Kozicki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Digital Image Studio wrote:
factor relative to FF 35mm ;-)
keyword underscored.
...and?
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Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1 frames per second continuous he
informs us. What a guy!!
On 02/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an interview article with Nikon on FF subject. Among other things
they said, they have been observing Canon 5D sales for a while but it never
went beyond 5% of total DSLR sales. FF sensor cost in case of 5D is still
over 6 times
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 02/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an interview article with Nikon on FF subject. Among other things
they said, they have been observing Canon 5D sales for a while but it never
went beyond 5% of total DSLR sales. FF sensor cost in case
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1 frames per second continuous
I don't have to be cruel to or about Ken Rockwell, he has himself for that.
Peter Fairweather wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for
Hi Rob,
My comments iin-line.
Ken
On 1/02/07 5:10 PM, Digital Image Studio, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 02/01/07, K.Takeshita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There was an interview article with Nikon on FF subject. Among other things
they said, they have been observing Canon 5D sales for a
On 03/01/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think that they may actually be loss-leading the 5D at the moment
(given the massive rebates on it right now). It may be that they make
more per unit on normal pricing than the K100D or K110D do (Given the
very aggressive pricing in that
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Subject: Re: Fw: Full frame vs APS-C was: Re: PESO - Hertzlia
Marina vs K10D
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell
On 03/01/07, Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've always thought of him as a kind of super-charged version of Ace
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be home for breakfast! Rimmer, with bigger
balls and a better tan.
That's ridiculously complimentary... for Ken ;-)
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On 2/1/07, David Savage, discombobulated, unleashed:
But labeling the discussion as stupid horsepucky by inference
anyone taking part in it is a stupid shit.
You rang?
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On 1/2/07, Peter Fairweather [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Instead of being cruel about Ken Rockwell, try reading his work.
Nowhere also has the basic spec of the new Canon 7d. Not only can he
review cameras he hasn't used, he can even do this for cameras which
don't yet exist. 24 meg sensor, 3.1
- Original Message -
From: John Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have finally got my hands on a K10D. Wonderful machine. But I got it
mainly because I found the D to be too slow when shooting RAW in the
studio. The pixel count made no difference.
John
Hah!
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wrote:
Again, I am not trying to say that DA lenses are not good. I am saying
that FA Limited are excellent enough for me.
They may be excellent enough, but are they available in the focal lengths
you require? (The
Hi!
They may be excellent enough, but are they available in the focal lengths
you require? (The answer, of course, is No).
John, do you really *know* what focal lengths I do require?
And if you shoot little film, you won't miss much by not being able to use
your nice DA 21mm on a film
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
they _will_ _die_. Simple as that.
John Forbes wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 12:31:13 -, Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Again, I am not trying to say that DA lenses are not good. I am saying
that FA
Digital Image Studio wrote:
On 01/01/07, mike wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The limit is that the pixel sites on the sensor have a definite depth to
them, rather like millions of bogroll tubes bundled together.
Great analogy but only half the problem as photo-sites get smaller :-)
On 1/1/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
they _will_ _die_. Simple as that.
Indeed, P.J., I still have much to learn about English :-). And how
exactly do I cut my natural wordiness? ;-)
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On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Indeed, P.J., I still have much to learn about English :-). And how
exactly do I cut my natural wordiness? ;-)
Type less, take more pictures.
G
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On 1/1/07, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Jan 1, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Boris Liberman wrote:
Indeed, P.J., I still have much to learn about English :-). And how
exactly do I cut my natural wordiness? ;-)
Type less, take more pictures.
LOL. I most definitely agree.
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:28:26 -, P. J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
they _will_ _die_. Simple as that.
But the others won't. Simple as that.
And actually it won't affect Pentax. Any full-frame bodies would be
why do you think they won't bring out a ff body?
And why would it be so much more expensive? If they get down to the
price level which would allow the non-professional makers (ie not
Canon or Nikon) to use them, then I imagine they'll be about the same
price as smaller sensors, no?
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On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:28:26 -, P. J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
they _will_ _die_. Simple as that.
But the others won't. Simple as that.
And actually it won't affect Pentax. Any full-frame
On 1/01/07 1:45 PM, John Forbes, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings out a FF body Pentax will as well or
they _will_ _die_. Simple as that.
But the others won't. Simple as that.
And actually it won't affect Pentax. Any full-frame bodies would be
much more
Believe what you will, you obviously haven't been paying attention to
the marketing :need for an upgrade path. (Something often cited on
this list as well).
John Forbes wrote:
On Mon, 01 Jan 2007 15:28:26 -, P. J. Alling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If every other manufacture brings
APS-C cannot, unfortunately, satisfy the most demanding photographers.
Pentax has already run up against the noise barrier with the K10D.
They've been forced to abandon 3200 ISO sensitivity. (Nikon's choice
was to use extremely strong noise reduction, with loss of detail).
We're dealing
Economics. Sensor cost is relative to area. This is because there's a
fixed size to the silicon wafers that sensors are made from (which
affects yields [the number of usable sensors per wafer], as one minor
issue is enough to make a sensor useless). The wafers cost a set amount,
so the cost of
On 1/01/07 2:35 PM, P. J. Alling, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
APS-C cannot, unfortunately, satisfy the most demanding photographers.
Pentax has already run up against the noise barrier with the K10D.
They've been forced to abandon 3200 ISO sensitivity. (Nikon's choice
was to use extremely
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