Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Bill]

On 2/23/2017 7:53 PM, steve harley wrote:

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 16:37, Bill wrote:


On 2/23/2017 2:10 PM, steve harley wrote:



On 2017-02-22 17:04 , Bill wrote:







I really don't want to use an A15/3.5 as a short tele.







i really like how short tele macros work on µ4/3 — Pentax-M
100/4 macro
handles really well with focus highlighting, increased
effective focal
length and depth of field







I can understand it with some lenses. My friend Brian who passed away
recently was an Olympus user, so I'm pretty familiar with the system.
Are you familiar with the A15/3.5?




only in theory — i never thought of it as one to look for; i have the
15/4 Ltd, but even if it had an aperture ring i have no _exciteent to
use adapted FF or APS wide angles on µ4/3 since there are very good, reasonably-
priced native lenses in the 14-25mm range — the 20/1.7 is my favorite _


Imagine this bad boy as a 30mm Equivalent.
Damn, it would still be a wide angle.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1b/PENTAX_LX_%2B_A_15mm.jpg




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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[steve harley]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017, at 16:37, Bill wrote:

> On 2/23/2017 2:10 PM, steve harley wrote:

> > On 2017-02-22 17:04 , Bill wrote:

> >

> >> I really don't want to use an A15/3.5 as a short tele.

> >

> > i really like how short tele macros work on µ4/3 — Pentax-M
> > 100/4 macro
> > handles really well with focus highlighting, increased
> > effective focal
> > length and depth of field

>

> I can understand it with some lenses. My friend Brian who passed away
> recently was an Olympus user, so I'm pretty familiar with the system.
> Are you familiar with the A15/3.5?



only in theory — i never thought of it as one to look for; i have the
15/4 Ltd, but even if it had an aperture ring i have no _exciteent to
use adapted FF or APS wide angles on µ4/3 since there are very good, reasonably-
priced native lenses in the 14-25mm range — the 20/1.7 is my favorite _




> > just ordered a K-mount Panagor 90/2.8 macro to see how it compares

> >

>

> I bet on the micr 4/3 it is scarily like the FA200/4 macro, except

> smaller.



that's the idea ;?>



the M 100/4 is good, but it is only 1:2; the Panagor is 1:1, and on a
4/3 sensor that is in some ways like 2:1



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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Bill]

On 2/23/2017 2:10 PM, steve harley wrote:

On 2017-02-22 17:04 , Bill wrote:




I really don't want to use an A15/3.5 as a short tele.




i really like how short tele macros work on µ4/3 — Pentax-M 100/4 macro
handles really well with focus highlighting, increased effective focal
length and depth of field


I can understand it with some lenses. My friend Brian who passed away 
recently was an Olympus user, so I'm pretty familiar with the system.

Are you familiar with the A15/3.5?



just ordered a K-mount Panagor 90/2.8 macro to see how it compares



I bet on the micr 4/3 it is scarily like the FA200/4 macro, except smaller.


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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Stanley Halpin]

> On Feb 22, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Mark Roberts  wrote:
> 
> John wrote:
> 
>> Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.
>> 
>> What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
>> ones of the same focal length?
> 
> Every lens design is the result of many compromises: Small vs. large,
> expensive vs. cheap, tack-sharp vs. just-sharp-enough. As sensor
> resolution (and pixel peeping) increase it pushes lens designers
> towards ever more demanding optical requirements and something has to
> give — in this case it's size/weight. So we gain optical resolution
> and lose light weight and compactness. Reducing light falloff in the
> corners generally requires larger diameter lenses and in the age of
> pixel-peeping people are more critical of that than ever (which is odd
> because it's easier than ever to correct in post).
> 
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I wonder about one other factor - with internal focus the external lens will be 
longer to accommodate the (internal) movement of the focusing elements. Yes?

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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[steve harley]

On 2017-02-22 17:04 , Bill wrote:



> I really don't want to use an A15/3.5 as a short tele.



i really like how short tele macros work on µ4/3 — Pentax-M 100/4 macro
handles really well with focus highlighting, increased effective focal
length and depth of field


just ordered a K-mount Panagor 90/2.8 macro to see how it compares




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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Larry Colen]

Mark Roberts wrote:

Bill wrote:



I suspect it's not much more problem to teach Lightroom to apply a
correction on import, but I haven't bothered to try yet.


I find myself *adding* vignetting in post much more often than
correcting for it.


Interesting, I've come to hate vignetting the way many hate HDR.  I 
suppose that it can be done in such a way that you don't notice it, but 
most of the time I see it, it is way overdone.  Since I haven't noticed 
it on any of your photos, you're probably doing it right.




It would be interesting to see a comparison between the original
M-series 40mm f/2.8 and the DA 40/2.8 on full frame. I'll bet the
coverage is just about indistinguishable.



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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Bill]

On 2/22/2017 4:56 PM, Steve Cottrell wrote:

On 22/2/17, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:


My old A15/3.5 has a stop or more of light fall off in the corners. It
was no big deal to write an action that can be applied to those images.
I suspect it's not much more problem to teach Lightroom to apply a
correction on import, but I haven't bothered to try yet.


There is one big plus about using the micro four thirds format - it's
heavy cropping of full-frame lenses means that horror stories can be
ignored and corners forgotten. Vignetting? What's that??



I really don't want to use an A15/3.5 as a short tele.

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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Rob Studdert]

On 23 February 2017 at 08:19, Mark Roberts  wrote:

> I find myself *adding* vignetting in post much more often than
> correcting for it.

Same here, it's a great creative tool, second only to DOF control IMO.

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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Steve Cottrell]

On 22/2/17, Bill, discombobulated, unleashed:

>My old A15/3.5 has a stop or more of light fall off in the corners. It 
>was no big deal to write an action that can be applied to those images. 
>I suspect it's not much more problem to teach Lightroom to apply a 
>correction on import, but I haven't bothered to try yet.

There is one big plus about using the micro four thirds format - it's
heavy cropping of full-frame lenses means that horror stories can be
ignored and corners forgotten. Vignetting? What's that??

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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Mark Roberts]

Bill wrote:

>On 2/22/2017 11:36 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:
>> John wrote:
>>
>>> Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.
>>>
>>> What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
>>> ones of the same focal length?
>>
>> Every lens design is the result of many compromises: Small vs. large,
>> expensive vs. cheap, tack-sharp vs. just-sharp-enough. As sensor
>> resolution (and pixel peeping) increase it pushes lens designers
>> towards ever more demanding optical requirements and something has to
>> give — in this case it's size/weight. So we gain optical resolution
>> and lose light weight and compactness. Reducing light falloff in the
>> corners generally requires larger diameter lenses and in the age of
>> pixel-peeping people are more critical of that than ever (which is odd
>> because it's easier than ever to correct in post).
>
>My old A15/3.5 has a stop or more of light fall off in the corners. It 
>was no big deal to write an action that can be applied to those images. 
>I suspect it's not much more problem to teach Lightroom to apply a 
>correction on import, but I haven't bothered to try yet.

I find myself *adding* vignetting in post much more often than
correcting for it. 

It would be interesting to see a comparison between the original
M-series 40mm f/2.8 and the DA 40/2.8 on full frame. I'll bet the
coverage is just about indistinguishable.
 
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Bill]

On 2/22/2017 11:36 AM, Mark Roberts wrote:

John wrote:


Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.

What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
ones of the same focal length?


Every lens design is the result of many compromises: Small vs. large,
expensive vs. cheap, tack-sharp vs. just-sharp-enough. As sensor
resolution (and pixel peeping) increase it pushes lens designers
towards ever more demanding optical requirements and something has to
give — in this case it's size/weight. So we gain optical resolution
and lose light weight and compactness. Reducing light falloff in the
corners generally requires larger diameter lenses and in the age of
pixel-peeping people are more critical of that than ever (which is odd
because it's easier than ever to correct in post).




My old A15/3.5 has a stop or more of light fall off in the corners. It 
was no big deal to write an action that can be applied to those images. 
I suspect it's not much more problem to teach Lightroom to apply a 
correction on import, but I haven't bothered to try yet.


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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Mark Roberts]

John wrote:

>Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.
>
>What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
>ones of the same focal length?

Every lens design is the result of many compromises: Small vs. large,
expensive vs. cheap, tack-sharp vs. just-sharp-enough. As sensor
resolution (and pixel peeping) increase it pushes lens designers
towards ever more demanding optical requirements and something has to
give — in this case it's size/weight. So we gain optical resolution
and lose light weight and compactness. Reducing light falloff in the
corners generally requires larger diameter lenses and in the age of
pixel-peeping people are more critical of that than ever (which is odd
because it's easier than ever to correct in post).
 
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[John Francis]

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:06:18AM -0500, Bruce Walker wrote:
> Google translate offered this puzzler:
> 
> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

That might explain why it's about twice as long as my 50mm/f1.4 ...


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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[John]

So you're saying the newly announced 50mm f/1.4 will NOT be
significantly larger than the FA 50mm f/1.4 lens?

On 2/22/2017 11:13 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7: 63mm x 31mm, 185 gr, manual focus
Pentax DA 50mm f1.8: 63mm x 35.5mm, 122 gr, auto focus

Clearly Pentax engineering has gone to hell in a hand basket.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gonz  wrote:

Yeah really.  Compactness seemed to have peaked with the M-series,
then it went downhill from there.


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:15 AM, John  wrote:

Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.

What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
ones of the same focal length?

On 2/22/2017 10:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:


Google translate offered this puzzler:

"- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:


http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html

It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.





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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[P. J. Alling]

Oh, goodie, they're following in the footsteps of everybody else making 
the design bigger heaver and more complex.



On 2/22/2017 10:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Google translate offered this puzzler:

"- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:

http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html

It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.

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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Paul Stenquist]

Middle-aged women with whom you would like to reproduce, no less.


> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:06 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> 
> Google translate offered this puzzler:
> 
> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"
> 
> Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:
>> http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html
>> 
>> It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Bill]

On 2/22/2017 9:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Google translate offered this puzzler:

"- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?


That's the Japanese and their weird fetishes for you.


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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Darren Addy]

Pentax-M 50mm f1.7: 63mm x 31mm, 185 gr, manual focus
Pentax DA 50mm f1.8: 63mm x 35.5mm, 122 gr, auto focus

Clearly Pentax engineering has gone to hell in a hand basket.

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> Yeah really.  Compactness seemed to have peaked with the M-series,
> then it went downhill from there.
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:15 AM, John  wrote:
>> Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.
>>
>> What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
>> ones of the same focal length?
>>
>> On 2/22/2017 10:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>>
>>> Google translate offered this puzzler:
>>>
>>> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"
>>>
>>> Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:

 http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html

 It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.

>>>
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

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Yeah really.  Compactness seemed to have peaked with the M-series,
then it went downhill from there.


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:15 AM, John  wrote:
> Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.
>
> What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
> ones of the same focal length?
>
> On 2/22/2017 10:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
>>
>> Google translate offered this puzzler:
>>
>> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"
>>
>> Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>>
>>> http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html
>>>
>>> It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.
>>>
>>
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

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>What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
>ones of the same focal length?

This is perhaps one of the greatest sentences I have read on the PDML.
Yogi Berra would be proud.
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> not just middle aged women, HOT middle aged women, like Stacey's Mom.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLfasMPOU4
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
>> Google translate offered this puzzler:
>>
>> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"
>>
>> Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:
>>> http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Gonz]

not just middle aged women, HOT middle aged women, like Stacey's Mom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZLfasMPOU4


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:06 AM, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Google translate offered this puzzler:
>
> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"
>
> Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:
>> http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html
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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[John]

Or else Google translate just has a dirty mind.

What I need explained is why new lenses are so much longer than the old
ones of the same focal length?

On 2/22/2017 10:06 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

Google translate offered this puzzler:

"- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:

http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html

It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.





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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Eric Featherstone]

On 22 February 2017 at 15:06, Bruce Walker  wrote:
> Google translate offered this puzzler:
>
> "- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

K mount, covering an image circle of 35mm full size image sensor



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Re: New standard lens on the horizon

[Bruce Walker]

Google translate offered this puzzler:

"- K mount mounted, covering image circle of 35 milf size image sensor"

Dare I suggest they are targeting shooters of middle aged women?


On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 9:50 AM, Bill  wrote:
> http://news.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/rim_info/2017/20170222_014592.html
>
> It looks like the FA 50/1.4 is finally being retired.
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