Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[John]

I've done the self portrait with a tripod & remote control, but I've
never gotten an image that really satisfied me.

On 9/27/2016 1:34 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


"Selfies for dummies"
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/49960672.jpg

And then for more experienced:
https://goo.gl/BJczvV

Cheers!

Igor


 Bob W-PDML Mon, 26 Sep 2016 14:59:54 -0700 wrote:

What they need is a professional selfie consultant to advise them,
compose the picture, arrange the lighting, perhaps a touch of makeup,
and maybe push the button at just the right moment. That would improve
selfies enormously.


Oh, and rather than that dull-looking woman in the pant suit, have
someone in the background who's orange with candy floss on their head.

B




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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Igor PDML-StR]

"Selfies for dummies"
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/49960672.jpg

And then for more experienced:
https://goo.gl/BJczvV

Cheers!

Igor


 Bob W-PDML Mon, 26 Sep 2016 14:59:54 -0700 wrote:

What they need is a professional selfie consultant to advise them, compose 
the picture, arrange the lighting, perhaps a touch of makeup, and maybe 
push the button at just the right moment. That would improve selfies 
enormously.



Oh, and rather than that dull-looking woman in the pant suit, have someone 
in the background who's orange with candy floss on their head.


B


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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[John]

On 9/26/2016 5:58 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

What they need is a professional selfie consultant to advise them,
compose the picture, arrange the lighting, perhaps a touch of makeup,
and maybe push the button at just the right moment. That would
improve selfies enormously.

Oh, and rather than that dull-looking woman in the pant suit, have
someone in the background who's orange with candy floss on their
head.

B


Apparently she told them if they wanted to take a selfie, they could all
do it together & she'd wait; then went on with her speech once they'd
finished.

That may be fairly clever, letting them get it out of their system so
they would then pay attention to what she had to say.





On 26 Sep 2016, at 22:48, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:

The image is humorous, interesting but quite sad.

A curse on selfies and all who take them!


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:



This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got
me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our
lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at
them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves
with the famous people being the background.
(The link is below, but first the thoughts.)

Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives,
bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from
that place.
One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close
friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more
distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with
this view already printed."

Why was/am I taking those photos?
1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
(As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos
more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in
those photos too.)

Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a
tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy
selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't
that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose
for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a
very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)


My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to
question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and
hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your
eyes and listening.

That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous
Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being
photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr
Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and
greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and
"todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I
remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the
family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to
the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do
not like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with
someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that
criticism. And I've always thought that the song's author was just bringing
up the contrast as a way to highlight the simultaneous distance and
closeness of the great and small, old and contemporary, timeless and
transient.

But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you,
deal PDMLers:
As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
discussed in that blogpost?
(Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)

Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .

Thanks in advance to all who will respond.

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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Jack Davis]

Hear, Hear!
J

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> On Sep 26, 2016, at 2:41 PM, Brian Walters  wrote:
> 
> Well, I find it odd behaviour - but I'm an old grump, anyway.
> 
> But they're not hurting anyone so, if it makes them happy, let them get
> on with it.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Brian
> 
> ++
> Brian Walters
> Western Sydney Australia
> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which 
>> got me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in 
>> our lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician
>> waving 
>> at them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of 
>> themselves with the famous people being the background.
>>  (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>> 
>> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very 
>> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, 
>> relatives, bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of 
>> _me__being__there_.
>> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture, 
>> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get 
>> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views 
>> from that place.
>> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close 
>> friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more 
>> distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards 
>> with this view already printed."
>> 
>> Why was/am I taking those photos?
>> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
>> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had 
>> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even 
>> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person, 
>> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
>> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos 
>> more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in 
>> those photos too.)
>> 
>> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this
>> message.
>> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
>> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a 
>> tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who 
>> enjoy selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people 
>> aren't that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego 
>> to pose for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This 
>> was a very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to 
>> question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and 
>> hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing 
>> with your eyes and listening.
>> 
>> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one 
>> famous Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family 
>> being photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian 
>> poet Alexandr Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the 
>> timelessness and greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of 
>> centuries, and "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of 
>> that family. I remember that a friend was thinking that the author was 
>> criticizing the family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even 
>> ridiculous due to the contrast. While I understand that point of view 
>> (and I personally do not like taking photographs of people (and myself) 
>> specifically with someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt 
>> comfortable with that criticism. And I've always thought that the song's 
>> author was just bringing up the contrast as a way to highlight the 
>> simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and small, old and 
>> contemporary, timeless and transient.
>> 
>> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, 
>> deal PDMLers:
>> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take 
>> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph 
>> discussed in that blogpost?
>> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific 
>> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>> 
>> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>> 
>> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Bob W-PDML]

What they need is a professional selfie consultant to advise them, compose the 
picture, arrange the lighting, perhaps a touch of makeup, and maybe push the 
button at just the right moment. That would improve selfies enormously.

Oh, and rather than that dull-looking woman in the pant suit, have someone in 
the background who's orange with candy floss on their head.

B

> On 26 Sep 2016, at 22:48, Daniel J. Matyola  wrote:
> 
> The image is humorous, interesting but quite sad.
> 
> A curse on selfies and all who take them!
> 
> 
> Dan Matyola
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got
>> me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our
>> lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at
>> them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves
>> with the famous people being the background.
>> (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>> 
>> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
>> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives,
>> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
>> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
>> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
>> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from
>> that place.
>> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close
>> friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more
>> distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with
>> this view already printed."
>> 
>> Why was/am I taking those photos?
>> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
>> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
>> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
>> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
>> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
>> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos
>> more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in
>> those photos too.)
>> 
>> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
>> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
>> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a
>> tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy
>> selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't
>> that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose
>> for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a
>> very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to
>> question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and
>> hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your
>> eyes and listening.
>> 
>> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous
>> Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being
>> photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr
>> Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and
>> greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and
>> "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I
>> remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the
>> family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to
>> the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do
>> not like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with
>> someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that
>> criticism. And I've always thought that the song's author was just bringing
>> up the contrast as a way to highlight the simultaneous distance and
>> closeness of the great and small, old and contemporary, timeless and
>> transient.
>> 
>> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you,
>> deal PDMLers:
>> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
>> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
>> discussed in that blogpost?
>> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
>> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>> 
>> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>> 
>> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>> 
>> Igor
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Daniel J. Matyola]

The image is humorous, interesting but quite sad.

A curse on selfies and all who take them!


Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola

On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 10:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:

>
>
> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got
> me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our
> lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at
> them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves
> with the famous people being the background.
>  (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>
> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives,
> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from
> that place.
> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close
> friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more
> distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with
> this view already printed."
>
> Why was/am I taking those photos?
> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos
> more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in
> those photos too.)
>
> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a
> tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy
> selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't
> that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose
> for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a
> very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>
>
> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to
> question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and
> hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your
> eyes and listening.
>
> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous
> Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being
> photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr
> Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and
> greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and
> "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I
> remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the
> family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to
> the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do
> not like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with
> someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that
> criticism. And I've always thought that the song's author was just bringing
> up the contrast as a way to highlight the simultaneous distance and
> closeness of the great and small, old and contemporary, timeless and
> transient.
>
> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you,
> deal PDMLers:
> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
> discussed in that blogpost?
> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>
> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>
> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>
> Igor
>
>
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Brian Walters]

Well, I find it odd behaviour - but I'm an old grump, anyway.

But they're not hurting anyone so, if it makes them happy, let them get
on with it.


Cheers

Brian

++
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Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:
> 
> 
> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which 
> got me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in 
> our lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician
> waving 
> at them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of 
> themselves with the famous people being the background.
>   (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
> 
> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very 
> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, 
> relatives, bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of 
> _me__being__there_.
> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture, 
> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get 
> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views 
> from that place.
> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close 
> friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more 
> distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards 
> with this view already printed."
> 
> Why was/am I taking those photos?
> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had 
> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even 
> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person, 
> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos 
> more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in 
> those photos too.)
> 
> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this
> message.
> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a 
> tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who 
> enjoy selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people 
> aren't that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego 
> to pose for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This 
> was a very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)
> 
> 
> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to 
> question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and 
> hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing 
> with your eyes and listening.
> 
> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one 
> famous Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family 
> being photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian 
> poet Alexandr Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the 
> timelessness and greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of 
> centuries, and "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of 
> that family. I remember that a friend was thinking that the author was 
> criticizing the family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even 
> ridiculous due to the contrast. While I understand that point of view 
> (and I personally do not like taking photographs of people (and myself) 
> specifically with someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt 
> comfortable with that criticism. And I've always thought that the song's 
> author was just bringing up the contrast as a way to highlight the 
> simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and small, old and 
> contemporary, timeless and transient.
> 
> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, 
> deal PDMLers:
> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take 
> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph 
> discussed in that blogpost?
> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific 
> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
> 
> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
> 
> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Ken Waller]

Especially sad since Andy Warhol predicted we'd all get 15 minutes.


They apparently don't have time for 15 minutes.

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Subject: Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."



On 9/26/2016 2:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Igor posed the question -

...what do you think about what is shown in the photograph discussed
in that blogpost?



I think what is shown is the superficial nature of those taking the
'selfie' and the almost total immersion into social media of many of
today's populace.
It also reminds me of the quest for 5 minutes of fame.

Sad, IMO.

Kenneth Waller
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Especially sad since Andy Warhol predicted we'd all get 15 minutes.

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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Gonz]

That is correct!


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:13 PM, John  wrote:
> Y'all is the singular. The plural is "all y'all".
>
> On 9/26/2016 12:39 PM, Gonz wrote:
>>
>> And he's misspelling it too.  Its y'all, y'all.  hehe
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Gonz  wrote:
>>>
>>> That is hilarious! And I chide Peter Ng for misappropriating Texan
>>> culture by the use of ya'll.  ;)
>>>
>>>
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[John]

On 9/26/2016 2:53 PM, Ken Waller wrote:

Igor posed the question -

...what do you think about what is shown in the photograph discussed
in that blogpost?



I think what is shown is the superficial nature of those taking the
'selfie' and the almost total immersion into social media of many of
today's populace.
It also reminds me of the quest for 5 minutes of fame.

Sad, IMO.

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Especially sad since Andy Warhol predicted we'd all get 15 minutes.

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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[John]

Y'all is the singular. The plural is "all y'all".

On 9/26/2016 12:39 PM, Gonz wrote:

And he's misspelling it too.  Its y'all, y'all.  hehe


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Gonz  wrote:

That is hilarious! And I chide Peter Ng for misappropriating Texan
culture by the use of ya'll.  ;)





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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[P.J. Alling]

Could you say that again, I didn't quite Ketch that...

On 9/26/2016 1:13 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:



It's y'all's y'all, y'all! ;-)


 Gonz Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:40:32 -0700 wrote:

And he's misspelling it too.  Its y'all, y'all.  hehe


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Gonz  wrote:

That is hilarious! And I chide Peter Ng for misappropriating Texan
culture by the use of ya'll.  ;)





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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Jack Davis]

It is sad, I agreebut one MUST keep up or suffer the indignity of
a technology deficit and social
isolation. 
Poor devils!
J

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Ken Waller  wrote:
> 
> Igor posed the question -
>> ...what do you think about what is shown in the photograph discussed in that 
>> blogpost?
> 
> 
> I think what is shown is the superficial nature of those taking the 'selfie' 
> and the almost total immersion into social media of many of today's populace.
> It also reminds me of the quest for 5 minutes of fame.
> 
> Sad, IMO.
> 
> Kenneth Waller
> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Igor PDML-StR" 
> Subject: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got 
>> me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our 
>> lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at 
>> them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves 
>> with the famous people being the background.
>> (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>> 
>> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very 
>> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives, 
>> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
>> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture, 
>> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get 
>> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from 
>> that place.
>> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close friends 
>> or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more distant 
>> friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with this 
>> view already printed."
>> 
>> Why was/am I taking those photos?
>> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
>> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had 
>> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even 
>> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person, 
>> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
>> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos more 
>> now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in those 
>> photos too.)
>> 
>> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
>> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
>> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a tripod 
>> or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy selfies: 
>> to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't that much 
>> different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose for you even 
>> though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a very frequent 
>> situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>> 
>> 
>> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to question 
>> of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and hence turning 
>> one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your eyes and listening.
>> 
>> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous 
>> Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being 
>> photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr 
>> Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and 
>> greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and 
>> "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I 
>> remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the 
>> family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to 
>> the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do not 
>> like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with someone's 
>> _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that criticism. And I've 
>> always thought that the song's author was just bringing up the contrast as a 
>> way to highlight the simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and 
>> small, old and contemporary, timeless and tr
 ansient.
>> 
>> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, deal 
>> PDMLers:
>> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take 
>> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph 
>> discussed in that blogpost?
>> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific 
>> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>> 
>> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>> 
>> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>> 
>> Igor
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Ken Waller]

Igor posed the question -
...what do you think about what is shown in the photograph discussed in 
that blogpost?



I think what is shown is the superficial nature of those taking the 'selfie' 
and the almost total immersion into social media of many of today's 
populace.

It also reminds me of the quest for 5 minutes of fame.

Sad, IMO.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

- Original Message - 
From: "Igor PDML-StR" 

Subject: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."





This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got 
me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our 
lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at 
them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of 
themselves with the famous people being the background.

 (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)

Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very 
touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, 
relatives, bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of 
_me__being__there_.
Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture, 
especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get 
those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views 
from that place.
One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close 
friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more 
distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards 
with this view already printed."


Why was/am I taking those photos?
1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had 
there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even 
without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person, 
event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
(As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos 
more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in 
those photos too.)


Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a 
tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy 
selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't 
that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose 
for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a 
very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)



My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to 
question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and 
hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your 
eyes and listening.


That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous 
Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being 
photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr 
Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and 
greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and 
"todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I 
remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the 
family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to 
the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do 
not like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with 
someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that 
criticism. And I've always thought that the song's author was just 
bringing up the contrast as a way to highlight the simultaneous distance 
and closeness of the great and small, old and contemporary, timeless and 
transient.


But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, 
deal PDMLers:
As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take 
photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph 
discussed in that blogpost?
(Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific 
politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)


Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .

Thanks in advance to all who will respond.

Igor



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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Igor PDML-StR]

It's y'all's y'all, y'all! ;-)


 Gonz Mon, 26 Sep 2016 09:40:32 -0700 wrote:

And he's misspelling it too.  Its y'all, y'all.  hehe


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Gonz  wrote:

That is hilarious! And I chide Peter Ng for misappropriating Texan
culture by the use of ya'll.  ;)


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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Gonz]

And he's misspelling it too.  Its y'all, y'all.  hehe


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Gonz  wrote:
> That is hilarious! And I chide Peter Ng for misappropriating Texan
> culture by the use of ya'll.  ;)
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>>
>>
>> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got
>> me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our
>> lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at
>> them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves
>> with the famous people being the background.
>>  (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>>
>> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
>> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives,
>> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
>> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
>> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
>> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from
>> that place.
>> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close friends
>> or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more distant
>> friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with this
>> view already printed."
>>
>> Why was/am I taking those photos?
>> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
>> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
>> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
>> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
>> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
>> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos more
>> now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in those
>> photos too.)
>>
>> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
>> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
>> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a tripod
>> or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy selfies:
>> to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't that much
>> different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose for you even
>> though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a very frequent
>> situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>>
>>
>> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to question
>> of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and hence turning
>> one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your eyes and
>> listening.
>>
>> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous
>> Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being
>> photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr
>> Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and
>> greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and
>> "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I
>> remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the
>> family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to
>> the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do not
>> like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with someone's
>> _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that criticism. And I've
>> always thought that the song's author was just bringing up the contrast as a
>> way to highlight the simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and
>> small, old and contemporary, timeless and transient.
>>
>> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, deal
>> PDMLers:
>> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
>> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
>> discussed in that blogpost?
>> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
>> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>>
>> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>>
>> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>>
>> Igor
>>
>>
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Gonz]

That is hilarious! And I chide Peter Ng for misappropriating Texan
culture by the use of ya'll.  ;)


On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 9:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>
>
> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got
> me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our
> lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at
> them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves
> with the famous people being the background.
>  (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
>
> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives,
> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from
> that place.
> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close friends
> or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more distant
> friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with this
> view already printed."
>
> Why was/am I taking those photos?
> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
> there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
> without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
> event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos more
> now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in those
> photos too.)
>
> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a tripod
> or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy selfies:
> to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't that much
> different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose for you even
> though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a very frequent
> situation with kid groups in Japan.)
>
>
> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to question
> of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and hence turning
> one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your eyes and
> listening.
>
> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous
> Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being
> photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr
> Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and
> greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of centuries, and
> "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of that family. I
> remember that a friend was thinking that the author was criticizing the
> family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to
> the contrast. While I understand that point of view (and I personally do not
> like taking photographs of people (and myself) specifically with someone's
> _personal_ monument), I never felt comfortable with that criticism. And I've
> always thought that the song's author was just bringing up the contrast as a
> way to highlight the simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and
> small, old and contemporary, timeless and transient.
>
> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, deal
> PDMLers:
> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
> discussed in that blogpost?
> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
>
> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
>
> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
>
> Igor
>
>
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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Jack Davis]

Most of these "photographers" probably survived 
to display their treasures.

J

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To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <pdml@pdml.net>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 8:41:39 AM
Subject: Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

Well at least she knows what the herd have become. Rude perhaps but at least 
no-one was injured. Iv'e seen people get out of their cars in Kruger to take 
selfies with dangerous animals. Some haven't lived to tell the tale.

Alan C

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From: Igor PDML-StR
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 4:08 PM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."



This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which
got me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in
our lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving
at them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of
themselves with the famous people being the background.
  (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)

Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends,
relatives, bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of
_me__being__there_.
Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views
from that place.
One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close
friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more
distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards
with this view already printed."

Why was/am I taking those photos?
1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
(As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos
more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in
those photos too.)

Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a
tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who
enjoy selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people
aren't that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego
to pose for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This
was a very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)


My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to
question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and
hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing
with your eyes and listening.

That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one
famous Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family
being photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian
poet Alexandr Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the
timelessness and greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of
centuries, and "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of
that family. I remember that a friend was thinking that the author was
criticizing the family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even
ridiculous due to the contrast. While I understand that point of view
(and I personally do not like taking photographs of people (and myself)
specifically with someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt
comfortable with that criticism. And I've always thought that the song's
author was just bringing up the contrast as a way to highlight the
simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and small, old and
contemporary, timeless and transient.

But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you,
deal PDMLers:
As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
discussed in that blogpost?
(Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)

Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .

Thanks in advance to all who will respond.

Igor



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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Alan C]

Well at least she knows what the herd have become. Rude perhaps but at least 
no-one was injured. Iv'e seen people get out of their cars in Kruger to take 
selfies with dangerous animals. Some haven't lived to tell the tale.


Alan C

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From: Igor PDML-StR

Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 4:08 PM
To: PDML@pdml.net
Subject: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."



This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which
got me (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in
our lives. The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving
at them, while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of
themselves with the famous people being the background.
 (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)

Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very
touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends,
relatives, bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of
_me__being__there_.
Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture,
especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get
those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views
from that place.
One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close
friends or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more
distant friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards
with this view already printed."

Why was/am I taking those photos?
1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had
there. And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even
without looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person,
event. ... even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
(As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos
more now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in
those photos too.)

Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a
tripod or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who
enjoy selfies: to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people
aren't that much different from those stranger on the street who are ego
to pose for you even though they are never going to see that photo. (This
was a very frequent situation with kid groups in Japan.)


My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to
question of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and
hence turning one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing
with your eyes and listening.

That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one
famous Russian poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family
being photographed in front of the monument to the famous Russian
poet Alexandr Pushkin. The idea was based on the juxtaposition of the
timelessness and greatness of someone whose fame survived the test of
centuries, and "todayliness" of the concerns and that-minute problems of
that family. I remember that a friend was thinking that the author was
criticizing the family, and that that type of photo was awkward or even
ridiculous due to the contrast. While I understand that point of view
(and I personally do not like taking photographs of people (and myself)
specifically with someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt
comfortable with that criticism. And I've always thought that the song's
author was just bringing up the contrast as a way to highlight the
simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and small, old and
contemporary, timeless and transient.

But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you,
deal PDMLers:
As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take
photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph
discussed in that blogpost?
(Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific
politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)

Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .

Thanks in advance to all who will respond.

Igor



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Re: OT - "We live not to be there, but to be seen to be there."

[Jack Davis]

A timely spectacle!

J

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> On Sep 26, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> This morning someone sent me a link to a brief blogpost on Cnet, which got me 
> (re)evaluating - (re)thinking certain aspects of photography in our lives. 
> The photo was of a crowd in front of a famous politician waving at them, 
> while most people turned their backs and taking selfies of themselves with 
> the famous people being the background.
> (The link is below, but first the thoughts.)
> 
> Over many years of taking photographs, sometimes as tourist (i.e. in very 
> touristic places, etc.), - I've been offered by others (friends, relatives, 
> bystanders) to take a picture of _me_. ... or rather of _me__being__there_.
> Not that I was against those (and sometimes I did want some picture, 
> especially with friends or family), but I was not particularly ego to get 
> those. I wanted to take some interesting (at least to me) of the views from 
> that place.
> One of the repeated questions/comments I had (usually not from close friends 
> or relatives who already knew what I am after, but from more distant 
> friends): "Why do you need those? - See there, they sell cards with this view 
> already printed."
> 
> Why was/am I taking those photos?
> 1. I enjoy _taking_ them and
> 2. I enjoy looking at them later, as they remind me of good time I had there. 
> And often, aftre many years, I remember the photos I've taken even without 
> looking at them: they are a connection for that place, person, event. ... 
> even though I might not be in those pictures myself.
> (As an aside, - I appreciate the fact of being in some of those photos more 
> now, as my daughter is growing up, - so, that she can see her dad in those 
> photos too.)
> 
> Now, getting back to the conclusion quoted in the Subject of this message.
> Yes, selfie is the fad du jour [is that tautology?].
> To this date, most of the selfies I've taken are with my SLR (with a tripod 
> or a mirror help). But I don't want to judge those people who enjoy selfies: 
> to each of his/her own. And to some extent, those people aren't that much 
> different from those stranger on the street who are ego to pose for you even 
> though they are never going to see that photo. (This was a very frequent 
> situation with kid groups in Japan.)
> 
> 
> My understanding of the said blogpost is that someone is trying to question 
> of how polite it is to take a selfie with a famous person (and hence turning 
> one's behind to her/him) as opposed to piercing with your eyes and listening.
> 
> That brought to memories yet another story. Long time ago, one famous Russian 
> poet wrote a song that was "thinking" about a family being photographed in 
> front of the monument to the famous Russian poet Alexandr Pushkin. The idea 
> was based on the juxtaposition of the timelessness and greatness of someone 
> whose fame survived the test of centuries, and "todayliness" of the concerns 
> and that-minute problems of that family. I remember that a friend was 
> thinking that the author was criticizing the family, and that that type of 
> photo was awkward or even ridiculous due to the contrast. While I understand 
> that point of view (and I personally do not like taking photographs of people 
> (and myself) specifically with someone's _personal_ monument), I never felt 
> comfortable with that criticism. And I've always thought that the song's 
> author was just bringing up the contrast as a way to highlight the 
> simultaneous distance and closeness of the great and small, old and 
> contemporary, timeless and tra
 nsient.
> 
> But back to today's photo, here is what I am curious to hear from you, deal 
> PDMLers:
> As photographers with different preferences, views and reasons to take 
> photographs, what do you think about what is shown in the photograph 
> discussed in that blogpost?
> (Please, let's not digress into a political debate about the specific 
> politician, so, let's keep the political comments on mute.)
> 
> Here is the blogpost in question: https://goo.gl/VC5fU3 .
> 
> Thanks in advance to all who will respond.
> 
> Igor
> 
> 
> 
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